Channing Frye: Nostalgia is KILLING the NBA. 90s basketball era with MJ and Kobe was not as clean as you think.

[zero rings]

I want to see variety. Deep 3's, short 3's, long 2's, midrange, midrange post, midrange triple-threat, low post, hooks, layups, dunks, etc..

The hunt for 3pnt shots is turning the game into a math equation. The NBA is already a make or miss league. When the majority of makes or misses are 3's, it only exacerbates the problem.

I'm not sure what the actual numbers are, but it feels like we get more and more blowout games every year. The number of 'blowouts' at halftime has to be up. It really doesn't matter if the game is close in the end if nobody is there to watch it. How many people stuck around for the end of the OKC vs. MIN game tonight?

Everything you said is still a big part of the game except long twos. They’ve simply replaced those with threes.

Was watching John Paxson pass up an open three to step in to a long two (lol) really that great?

Is the league truly suffering from the lack of Bill Cartwright post ups?

I think the league is actually in a good place overall. The volume of 3pnt shooting is honestly my only major complaint. I think it's something that is ultimately going to have to be addressed though with some type of rule change.

What can the league do? You could move the line back and reduce the efficiency of the shot, but I think teams would still jack them up at the same rate. The value of spacing is just too great, and there’s no putting that genie back in the bottle.

[Himothy Duncan]

I love how people all of a sudden think the ASG is trash and needs fixing even though it has been trash since I started watching in the late 90s lol. It’s always the same, screw around for 3 quarters and then try a bit in the 4th. It will lead to a good game every 4-5 years but that’s it. It’s always been the same product.

[Jables]

Okay Channing Frye, I'll definitely stop listening to washed up has beens that think their playing career makes their thoughts more important than mine.

People either like something or they don't, people attached to a failing product with decreasing ratings will always bitch about people bitching, not thinking about the fact that they are the most unproductive person that could exist for a product to actually get better.

[OnlyTheTruth]

League was simply better back then. Adam ruined todays NBA. David Stern had it the best. There is not a single player on planet that can tie Jordans shoe laces

[The Box Office]

Michael Jordan is the best.

Anyways, yeah, he's right. Stop living in the past. We have to deal with the current.

Too many threes made the game ugly and boring to watch too.

[LakerLegend]

The guys now don't even have the heart to get up for the All-Star game.

[ItsDanger]

In those days, we wouldn't even hear about Frye's opinion.

[Ice Man]

In those days, we wouldn't even hear about Frye's opinion.

Bingo!

The NBA today is about the outside personalities, the TNT gang first and foremost, but also many others. Back in the day, sure we knew that Marv & Fratello would be doing the national games, but they didn't intrude onto the proceedings. And we hardly ever heard from anybody else, since there wasn't social media. The game was about the teams & players, rather than about talking heads.

[audiosway]

Kevin Durant

No, that's not what I mean. Kobe Bryant tore his achilles on the floor while getting fouled. He stood up and walked to the FT line. He hit two free throws then walked to the locker room.

Another example. Larry Bird broke his FACE on the floor during a playoff game. Came back after halftime and won the game.

Dirk was really the last of that era of players. Dirk had the flu during the 2011 title run. I've seen him roll ankles and go back onto the court. Kobe and Dirk were 00s. But, still it was that old school era of basketball where they worked hard on and off the court.

You mean like Klay shooting free throws in 2019 after tearing his ACL? Take those nostalgia glasses off.

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Touche. Klay is definitely old school. I'm talking about most of the kids that can't play in back to backs. It is getting a little ridiculous.

[ScrantonBulls]

No, that's not what I mean. Kobe Bryant tore his achilles on the floor while getting fouled. He stood up and walked to the FT line. He hit two free throws then walked to the locker room.

Another example. Larry Bird broke his FACE on the floor during a playoff game. Came back after halftime and won the game.

Dirk was really the last of that era of players. Dirk had the flu during the 2011 title run. I've seen him roll ankles and go back onto the court. Kobe and Dirk were 00s. But, still it was that old school era of basketball where they worked hard on and off the court.

You mean like Klay shooting free throws in 2019 after tearing his ACL? Take those nostalgia glasses off.

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Touche. Klay is definitely old school. I'm talking about most of the kids that can't play in back to backs. It is getting a little ridiculous.

So your first example of why the old era was better - because guys shot free throws after injuries (just lol) had a sample size of 2 players provided, and it turns out you were wrong. Your next sample has yet again a sample size of what, 2 players? Embiid and Kawhi, who basically have degenerative injuries. Most players play back to backs. JBasing it off such small samples sizes though... It's just comically bad rationale.

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[audiosway]

You mean like Klay shooting free throws in 2019 after tearing his ACL? Take those nostalgia glasses off.

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Touche. Klay is definitely old school. I'm talking about most of the kids that can't play in back to backs. It is getting a little ridiculous.

So your first example of why the old era was better - because guys shot free throws after injuries (just lol) had a sample size of 2 players provided, and it turns out you were wrong. Your next sample has yet again a sample size of what, 2 players? Embiid and Kawhi, who basically have degenerative injuries. Most players play back to backs. JBasing it off such small samples sizes though... It's just comically bad rationale.

Nah. I don't think Nostalgia is an issue. Fans like to see scoring. The 90s was very heavily tilted toward defenders. Now it has swung way too far the other way. Way too much offense and not allowing defenders to do anything.

I don't even think the 3 pointers are necessarily the issue. They just need to allow defenders to hand check or something to slow down the scoring just a bit. It's at the point where most teams usually don't get stops. It's just a matter of who scores last before the timer runs out.

I do feel like the players are a little softer and more entitled.

[MavsDirk41]

Same posters on here dapping up Frye for speaking up are the same posters telling Barkley and Shaq to shup up for trashing the modern nba for load management, too many 3s, and for being soft. Again the hypocrisy.

[JayMKE]

Maybe there wouldn’t be as much nostalgia if the game wasn’t so radically changed under Adam Silver. Fans don’t like the all 3s and no D socialite “lifestyle brand” that Silver is pushing.

[Homer38]

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[Lalouie]

because the game is an individual game compared to other "team" games, individuals matter. this is why you start getting goat talk like no other sport. so now you start getting more and more comparison talk, of which realgm mirrors virtually 3x per page.

so goat talk is like tribes having their own gods, and "my god is better than your god". the fallout from that is one era is better than another. you can imagine the rest and there is the ultimate trashing

channing frye makes it like it's one-sided when it's not. today's game is as blatantly responsible for all this as any other party.
basketball suffers from a MAJOR dismissiveness of it's own history because it continually disrespects past stars by questioning whether they could play in today's game.

baseball never questions if sandy koufax could pitch in today's game. there might be some goat talk among qb's but i never heard of anyone questioning if montana could play in today's game. this is because baseball and football celebrate their history...............basketball doesn't

nostalgia is just biting back z'all

[MavsDirk41]

Why do we care what Channing Frye says?

[BelgradeNugget]

No, that's not what I mean. Kobe Bryant tore his achilles on the floor while getting fouled. He stood up and walked to the FT line. He hit two free throws then walked to the locker room.

Another example. Larry Bird broke his FACE on the floor during a playoff game. Came back after halftime and won the game.

Dirk was really the last of that era of players. Dirk had the flu during the 2011 title run. I've seen him roll ankles and go back onto the court. Kobe and Dirk were 00s. But, still it was that old school era of basketball where they worked hard on and off the court.

You mean like Klay shooting free throws in 2019 after tearing his ACL? Take those nostalgia glasses off.

Watch on YouTube

Touche. Klay is definitely old school. I'm talking about most of the kids that can't play in back to backs. It is getting a little ridiculous.

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[Homer38]

Why do we care what Channing Frye says?

When someone make a good point,it don't matter the name of the person....

[Indomitable]

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"Nostalgia is killing the NBA. The ’90s basketball era with Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant was not as clean as you think. Y’all forget that Jordan left the league for two years. Y’all forget that Kobe—rest in peace—quit on his team in the playoffs and refused to shoot the basketball.

"So all this talk about Kobe, Jordan—'Oh, he’s not this, he’s not that'—it’s propaganda. Every great player, whether it’s Ant, Wemby, LeBron, Steph—whoever—gets compared to players from 40 years ago.

"But the rules weren’t even the same back then! You’re not really watching help-side defense. Who’s doing what? What are these rules? Nobody celebrates the new generation of players.

"So why would anyone want to be the face of the league when every network constantly criticizes them for not being like someone from 40 years ago? It’s ridiculous. It’s unfair.

"LeBron is one of the greatest players ever. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest players ever. Giannis is one of the greatest. Jokic—same thing. Yet we just keep talking about Michael Jordan."

Because we enjoyed the constant intensity.

No one seems to care therefore a lot of people do not.