2019 Blake Vs current Cade

[GSP]

Gotta be 2 best Pistons of the past 15 years since their championship core but whos the better player? Numbers not that different, both would prolly lead .500 teams and make all star. Blake made All Nba 3rd and Cade might

[trelos6]

per 100

Blake 34.6
Cade 32.9

TS%

Blake .581
Cade .546

[JimmyFromNz]

Interesting comparison, some similarities here including the .500 destiny of both teams they lead.

I'll be honest, my pervasive memory of Detroit Blake was him being a washed, hobbled version of himself - which isn't necessarily true. Once you get over the distinction between pre/post injury Blake he probably remains the better more rounded player...at least for now.

[GSP]

Bump..............

[tsherkin]

I'd go with Blake. The scoring gap is immense. We'll see what happens going forward with Cade and his scoring, but obviously he makes up a lot of the gap as a result of his playmaking, and since last year he's had some spacing utility as well since developing his 3pt shot.

But 2019 was Blake's last hurrah, that was his last high-end season and he was very, very good.

[bigboi]

I'd go with Blake. The scoring gap is immense. We'll see what happens going forward with Cade and his scoring, but obviously he makes up a lot of the gap as a result of his playmaking, and since last year he's had some spacing utility as well since developing his 3pt shot.

But 2019 was Blake's last hurrah, that was his last high-end season and he was very, very good.

“Immense” scoring gap. What are you talking about? This is flat out false.

Griffin scored: 24.5 on 46.2% FG, 36.2% 3p, 52.5% 2p, 75.3% from FT.

Cunningham: 25.3 46% FG, 36.5% 3p, 50% 2p, 85% FT.

In what world, is that an immense scoring gap? Cunningham is a point guard too. And that’s not even considering that Cunningham averages only 1 less rebound while nearly double the assists. Cunningham is clearly better.

[tsherkin]

“Immense” scoring gap. What are you talking about? This is flat out false.

Griffin scored: 24.5 on 46.2% FG, 36.2% 3p, 52.5% 2p, 75.3% from FT.

Cunningham: 25.3 46% FG, 36.5% 3p, 50% 2p, 85% FT.

In what world, is that an immense scoring gap? Cunningham is a point guard too. And that’s not even considering that Cunningham averages only 1 less rebound while nearly double the assists. Cunningham is clearly better.

Blake was a 58.1% TS guy in 2019. That was +2.1% rTS. That'd be +0.4% rTS without adjustment for the current era.

Cade is a 55.9% TS guy this year. Because he doesn't draw fouls, get to the rim well or finish competently when he gets there, he's considerably less efficient. Yes, that is an "immense" scoring gap.

The way Cade closes the gap is in how he dictates the flow of the offense with his playmaking, not his low-caliber scoring.

[XTC]

I'd go with Blake. The scoring gap is immense. We'll see what happens going forward with Cade and his scoring, but obviously he makes up a lot of the gap as a result of his playmaking, and since last year he's had some spacing utility as well since developing his 3pt shot.

But 2019 was Blake's last hurrah, that was his last high-end season and he was very, very good.

“Immense” scoring gap. What are you talking about? This is flat out false.

Griffin scored: 24.5 on 46.2% FG, 36.2% 3p, 52.5% 2p, 75.3% from FT.

Cunningham: 25.3 46% FG, 36.5% 3p, 50% 2p, 85% FT.

In what world, is that an immense scoring gap? Cunningham is a point guard too. And that’s not even considering that Cunningham averages only 1 less rebound while nearly double the assists. Cunningham is clearly better.

Per100 possessions

Blake
PPG - 34.6
RPG - 10.6
APG - 7.6
TS - 58.1% (League AVG was 56.0%)
PER - 21.0
BPM - 5.1


Cade
PPG - 34.9
RPG - 8.5
APG - 12.9
TS - 55.8% (League AVG is 57.4%)
PER - 20.4
BPM - 3.7

Cade is shooting far below league average efficiency wise, and Blake was far above league efficiency. There's no shame in saying a 23 year old Cade is as good as a 29 year old Blake... because he isnt.

[bigboi]

“Immense” scoring gap. What are you talking about? This is flat out false.

Griffin scored: 24.5 on 46.2% FG, 36.2% 3p, 52.5% 2p, 75.3% from FT.

Cunningham: 25.3 46% FG, 36.5% 3p, 50% 2p, 85% FT.

In what world, is that an immense scoring gap? Cunningham is a point guard too. And that’s not even considering that Cunningham averages only 1 less rebound while nearly double the assists. Cunningham is clearly better.

Blake was a 58.1% TS guy in 2019. That was +2.1% rTS. That'd be +0.4% rTS without adjustment for the current era.

Cade is a 55.9% TS guy this year. Because he doesn't draw fouls, get to the rim well or finish competently when he gets there, he's considerably less efficient. Yes, that is an "immense" scoring gap.

The way Cade closes the gap is in how he dictates the flow of the offense with his playmaking, not his low-caliber scoring.

I quite literally gave you the raw stats in front of your face lmao. There’s nothing significant in terms of scoring gap. Blake shoots 2.5% better at 2p%, that’s the biggest gap and that’s not even considering the fact that Cade scores more while also assisting nearly double that of Blake

[bigboi]

I'd go with Blake. The scoring gap is immense. We'll see what happens going forward with Cade and his scoring, but obviously he makes up a lot of the gap as a result of his playmaking, and since last year he's had some spacing utility as well since developing his 3pt shot.

But 2019 was Blake's last hurrah, that was his last high-end season and he was very, very good.

“Immense” scoring gap. What are you talking about? This is flat out false.

Griffin scored: 24.5 on 46.2% FG, 36.2% 3p, 52.5% 2p, 75.3% from FT.

Cunningham: 25.3 46% FG, 36.5% 3p, 50% 2p, 85% FT.

In what world, is that an immense scoring gap? Cunningham is a point guard too. And that’s not even considering that Cunningham averages only 1 less rebound while nearly double the assists. Cunningham is clearly better.

Per100 possessions

Blake
PPG - 34.6
RPG - 10.6
APG - 7.6
TS - 58.1% (League AVG was 56.0%)
PER - 21.0
BPM - 5.1


Cade
PPG - 34.9
RPG - 8.5
APG - 12.9
TS - 55.8% (League AVG is 57.4%)
PER - 20.4
BPM - 3.7

Cade is shooting far below league average efficiency wise, and Blake was far above league efficiency. There's no shame in saying a 23 year old Cade is as good as a 29 year old Blake... because he isnt.

I’m just going to repeat my post. I quite literally gave you the raw stats in front of your face lmao. There’s nothing significant in terms of scoring gap. Blake shoots 2.5% better at 2p%, that’s the biggest gap and that’s not even considering the fact that Cade scores more while also assisting nearly double that of Blake. Cade is flat out better

[tsherkin]

I quite literally gave you the raw stats in front of your face lmao. There’s nothing significant in terms of scoring gap. Blake shoots 2.5% better at 2p%, that’s the biggest gap and that’s not even considering the fact that Cade scores more while also assisting nearly double that of Blake

Assisting is irrelevant here. Volume is also only part of the picture. Blake was much better at scoring effectively than is Cade. This is fairly clear. Cade has very different strengths compared to Cade. This shouldn't be a huge challenge to accept.