2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Kobblehead]

My ideal scenario would be to trade #6 to Brooklyn for #21, #24, and #26.

With those picks, we'd be able land both Carter Bryant and Miles Byrd. Two of the best three and D guys in the class. We'd also be able to land one of the playmaking Cs. Someone like Johni Broome, Danny Wolf, or Alex Condon.

[the_process]

My ideal scenario would be to trade #6 to Brooklyn for #21, #24, and #26.

With those picks, we'd be able land both Carter Bryant and Miles Byrd. Two of the best three and D guys in the class. We'd also be able to land one of the playmaking Cs. Someone like Johni Broome, Danny Wolf, or Alex Condon.

Gotta get the 27 pick back in that scenario. Add a PG for Cam J swap, too.

[Iverson Armband]

My ideal scenario would be to trade #6 to Brooklyn for #21, #24, and #26.

With those picks, we'd be able land both Carter Bryant and Miles Byrd. Two of the best three and D guys in the class. We'd also be able to land one of the playmaking Cs. Someone like Johni Broome, Danny Wolf, or Alex Condon.

I think this is getting too cute.

[Kobblehead]

I think this is getting too cute.

Maybe, but I think we need to keep the proper perspective. The ultimate goal is being able to field a 5 man playoff lineup. We already have an established framework of:

C - Embiid
F - George
G - Maxey

To achieve our goal, we need to find guys at least 6'4" barefoot that are playable defensively and offer something offensively (prefereably the willingness to shoot).

All of the wings expected to be taken around #6 (Johnson, McNeeley, Knueppel) are tall and can shoot, but they project to be liabilities defensively.

[Iverson Armband]

I think this is getting too cute.

Maybe, but I think we need to keep the proper perspective. The ultimate goal is being able to field a 5 man playoff lineup. We already have an established framework of:

C - Embiid
F - George
G - Maxey

To achieve our goal, we need to find guys at least 6'4" barefoot that are playable defensively and offer something offensively (prefereably the willingness to shoot).

All of the wings expected to be taken around #6 (Johnson, McNeeley, Knueppel) are tall and can shoot, but they project to be liabilities defensively.

I hear you, but 2/3 of that “framework” is shakey. One of them may never play basketball again. The other may not be on the roster in 6-8 months. No roster decision from here on out should be made with their unreliable asses in mind.

Grimes and Edwards project to be plus defenders. They need to just continue stacking high level talents (Maxey, McCain, #6) and figure it out from there. Consolidate or swap out for fit later if you need to.

[76ciology]

Tre Johnson's been going undeniably crazy for a little while now.

Still feel like on a championship team he's 2022 Jordan Poole or 2020 Tyler Herro

27-30 MPG 16/3/3 >9 3PA per 100 possessions

Conundrum with the score first dynamo little guards we already have in abundance.

Neither of them is near as good as Tre Johnson in shotcreation.

You think Tre can play PG alongside either Maxey or McCain?

At least Johnson has great size for SG at 6'6" with a 6'10" wingspan.

Texas plays a lot of switch heavy defense.

Per Synergy, Tre only allows 0.788 points per possession and an opponent field goal percentage of 36.3%. That grades out as “Very Good” per Synergy.

I think he has the necessary tools to avoid being a liability, particularly with his length. If his body continues to develop and he gains the experience needed to read defenses more effectively, I’d lean toward targeting players like Maxey or McCain over Tre Johnson.

I’ve seen many comparisons to Malik Monk, Tyler Herro, or Zach LaVine, but those players typically have wingspans of only 6’4” to 6’6” — and that extra half-foot can make a world of difference on the court.

Every player has their flaws, but it’s generally easier for him to improve into a solid defender than it is for a poor shooter to improve into a good shooter.

[76ciology]

My ideal scenario would be to trade #6 to Brooklyn for #21, #24, and #26.

With those picks, we'd be able land both Carter Bryant and Miles Byrd. Two of the best three and D guys in the class. We'd also be able to land one of the playmaking Cs. Someone like Johni Broome, Danny Wolf, or Alex Condon.

Shouldn’t we be targeting more top-end prospects? We can either build around it as part of our core moving forward or use it as a trade asset to help clear the roster and kickstart our rebuild.

I think we have enough depth. Logjam at the guard positions (Maxey, McCain and Grimes) at the wings (Oubre, George, Edwards) and the bigs (Embiid, Bona and Drum).

[Kobblehead]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=miles-byrd--justin-edwards--ricky-council-iv--quentin-grimes

^ When you compare them, Miles Byrd projects to be a better defender and passer than all three of Edwards, Council, and Grimes. And his .500+ 3PA rate proves that he will have a relentless trigger from three.

[Kobblehead]

Also, we're pretty desperate to have a guy like Carter Bryant on our roster. We need that big 6'6"+ 225+ pound jumbo forward that bombs away from three. Look how much guys like Mike Scott and Georges Niang provided when they were here. And those dudes both sucked on defense. Bryant projects to be a fantastic defender.

[Negrodamus]

#6 take Queen. Especially if Embiid does some surgery this off-season. Queen with Maxey, McCain, PG, and insert PF here, we’re a playoff team. Offense flows great with a big who gets the ball to open perimeter players. Switchable on defense. Fun team to watch.

[mjkvol]

I think this is getting too cute.

Maybe, but I think we need to keep the proper perspective. The ultimate goal is being able to field a 5 man playoff lineup. We already have an established framework of:

C - Embiid
F - George
G - Maxey

To achieve our goal, we need to find guys at least 6'4" barefoot that are playable defensively and offer something offensively (prefereably the willingness to shoot).

All of the wings expected to be taken around #6 (Johnson, McNeeley, Knueppel) are tall and can shoot, but they project to be liabilities defensively.

Whoa, I was with you on trading the pick for three late 1st's, but with the idea being building beyond Embiid and George. We can all pretend that George will return to his pre-30 form and Embiid will be healthy and able to play a full season again, but to me it's pure fantasy at this point.

It's over, and the sooner the powers that be understand this and begin planning for the aftermath, the sooner we might see competitive basketball again. The plan should be to accumulate picks and young players and move George and the rest of the washed vets ASAP, then deal with the Embiid situation.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If we keep our pick and end up in the 6th spot, you take the BPA with the highest upside and figure it out later. At that point I take Derick Queen or Johnson. Again, BPA.

[Kobblehead]

If you're a bottom dweller with a clean capsheet, I think taking BPA is the move.

If you're a team with 3 max contract guys, I think taking most projectable playoff cog is the move.

A team expecting to play Tyrese Maxey and Jared McCain heavy minutes in a playoff series probably shouldn't be considering more barbeque chicken on defense. That rules out nearly all the BPA guys at #6.

I don't really see a ton of logic in taking a big at #6. In terms of a wing in that range, I could probably be talked into Noa Essengue, but he's super raw and there's no indication that he knows how to shoot.

[Mik317]

tbf someone always falls too

[76ciology]

I haven’t fully thought it through, but if we’re not rebuilding and just looking to draft an impact player who complements our core, Collin Murray-Boyles makes a strong case.

Embiid can’t jump. Yabu can’t jump. Boyles brings energy on defense, rebounds well, and provides some rim protection. Someone who can anchor the defense.

He’s also quick enough and has wing level playmaking and ball-handling to keep the pace up and maintain offensive flow. He fits a similar role to Oubre (who shoots 28% from three), giving us a player who can curl into the paint, cut well in those dribble handoff actions, and run two-man actions with Maxey when Embiid is out.

If we ever move on from Embiid, Murray-Boyles looks like a Draymond Green clone—defense, playmaking, IQ, and size (CBM with elite ht to ws ratio too) —all there. He could be a great complement to Maxey and McCain, much like Draymond is to Curry.

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Man.. if he develops a jumper.

[Negrodamus]

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He should be discussed as lottery, maybe top 10. He's been a scoring machine lately.

[stormi]

I haven’t fully thought it through, but if we’re not rebuilding and just looking to draft an impact player who complements our core, Collin Murray-Boyles makes a strong case.

Embiid can’t jump. Yabu can’t jump. Boyles brings energy on defense, rebounds well, and provides some rim protection. Someone who can anchor the defense.

He’s also quick enough and has wing level playmaking and ball-handling to keep the pace up and maintain offensive flow. He fits a similar role to Oubre (who shoots 28% from three), giving us a player who can curl into the paint, cut well in those dribble handoff actions, and run two-man actions with Maxey when Embiid is out.

If we ever move on from Embiid, Murray-Boyles looks like a Draymond Green clone—defense, playmaking, IQ, and size (CBM with elite ht to ws ratio too) —all there. He could be a great complement to Maxey and McCain, much like Draymond is to Curry.

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Man.. if he develops a jumper.

I'm taking him at #6 as it stands.

CMB is 6 months younger than Queen and has TWO years of better production (on worse teams).

Flagg
Harper
CMB
Kasparas/Edgecombe/Queen
Bailey/Jase/Maluach/Knueppel/Tre

Haven't seen enough of Asa Newell and Noa Essengue

[sixers hoops]

If you're a bottom dweller with a clean capsheet, I think taking BPA is the move.

If you're a team with 3 max contract guys, I think taking most projectable playoff cog is the move.

A team expecting to play Tyrese Maxey and Jared McCain heavy minutes in a playoff series probably shouldn't be considering more barbeque chicken on defense. That rules out nearly all the BPA guys at #6.

I don't really see a ton of logic in taking a big at #6. In terms of a wing in that range, I could probably be talked into Noa Essengue, but he's super raw and there's no indication that he knows how to shoot.

Makes sense but PG is pretty cooked, and he will be more cooked if/when Embiid comes back in 2026-27. I don’t want to make any short-term moves because of those guys. If Embiid doesn’t have a successful transplant, he will never play consistently again. It is a dire situation and the team needs to prepare as if he will never play again. We need to try to add the best young pieces to navigate around Morey’s mistakes, and they really need a quality front court player.

I’ve never seen any of these college guys so it’s tough for me to weigh-in on trading down, but if they have any chance at a high-end talent, I feel like they have to keep their pick.

[Arsenal]

Can't count on Jo ever again and PG is no longer a star and is too old to be a part of the future anyway.

In terms of what matters right now we have Maxey, McCain, and that's it. We NEED a star, ideally in the frontcourt, but I'll take any star we can get.

[phillynative]

Yep would agree with Kobble if Embiid and PG weren't both unreliable, aging, gimps