Packers News, Transactions - 2025 off-season - McManus Signed - 3 Years/$15 million

Post #1841 » by **humanrefutation** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:49 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:There's no way Gute is paying this price so they'll either find a compromise or these talks will be over pretty quickly.

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That's a laughable tweet which calls into question the credibility of this account. First of all, the teams are not going to leak their demands publicly. Second of all, no way the Packers give up a 1 and a WR.

Ron Swanson · Post #1842 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:55 pm

They don't get much freakier than DK, so this completely tracks that Gute would want him. But there's like, no way he's worth an outright 1st round pick and a still young, productive receiver.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1843 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 4:56 pm

Also that tweet made me go double check. We definitely have pick 23, not 26.

Post #1844 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:02 pm

I don't think that trade is all that bad value wise. I'd rather have Seattle's 4th rounder than I would Wicks or Doubs. Hollywood Brown, DJ Moore, and AJ Brown are all recent examples of WRs being traded for 1st round picks. This draft is absolutely trash for WRs. I think the going rate for a proven #1 caliber guy probably is a 1st round pick.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1845 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:10 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I don't think that trade is all that bad value wise. I'd rather have Seattle's 4th rounder than I would Wicks or Doubs. Hollywood Brown, DJ Moore, and AJ Brown are all recent examples of WRs being traded for 1st round picks. This draft is absolutely trash for WRs. I think the going rate for a proven #1 caliber guy probably is a 1st round pick.

AJ Brown was several years younger than DK is now when that trade happened. DJ Moore trade there was a lot more going on with that one but again he was a couple years younger than DK is now. Same with Hollywood Brown even though that one didn't work out at all for the Cardinals.

Hell, maybe Gute has more of an appetite to take a swing and he'll do it but I think a 2nd and Doubs/Wicks for DK and a midround pick is more than fair.

MVP2110 · Post #1846 » by **MVP2110** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:11 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I don't think that trade is all that bad value wise. I'd rather have Seattle's 4th rounder than I would Wicks or Doubs. Hollywood Brown, DJ Moore, and AJ Brown are all recent examples of WRs being traded for 1st round picks. This draft is absolutely trash for WRs. I think the going rate for a proven #1 caliber guy probably is a 1st round pick.

DJ Moore was traded with 2 1sts to move up to #1 overall.

All 3 of those guys were multiple years younger when traded too. DK isn't old but he also isn't young. Id also argue the Hollywood Brown deal ended up pretty badly for Arizona.

Post #1847 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:12 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I don't think that trade is all that bad value wise. I'd rather have Seattle's 4th rounder than I would Wicks or Doubs. Hollywood Brown, DJ Moore, and AJ Brown are all recent examples of WRs being traded for 1st round picks. This draft is absolutely trash for WRs. I think the going rate for a proven #1 caliber guy probably is a 1st round pick.

AJ Brown was several years younger than DK is now when that trade happened. DJ Moore trade there was a lot more going on with that one but again he was a couple years younger than DK is now. Same with Hollywood Brown even though that one didn't work out at all for the Cardinals.

You can make the case that DK is better than Brown, Brown, and Moore were at the time of the trades, though.

Post #1848 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:15 pm

Adams was 30 when he was traded to Vegas and the Packers got a 1st and 2nd. Now, Adams was arguably the best WR in the NFL at the time, but still. 30 years old and he netted two premium picks.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1849 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:21 pm

lol sure

*source probably being the Packers front office who doesn't want this leaking out while they're actively trying to do a deal

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Matches Malone · Post #1850 » by **Matches Malone** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:47 pm

Trading a pick and young player for an older receiver would be shocking and goes against everything Gute has done so far. I'm all for taking swings on stars to try and get us over the hump, but was kind of hoping they'd save that draft capital for an edge rusher.

Matches Malone · Post #1851 » by **Matches Malone** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:52 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:lol sure

*source probably being the Packers front office who doesn't want this leaking out while they're actively trying to do a deal

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We got a source off. Maybe these two can meet in a Starbucks and settle this.

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dbrodz7 · Post #1852 » by **dbrodz7** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:04 pm

My guess is that these discussions are actually happening. And I think there's no way we would give up a first. I bet it's Doubs or Wicks and a 2nd for Metcalf and a day 3 pick.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #1853 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:04 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Trading a pick and young player for an older receiver would be shocking and goes against everything Gute has done so far. I'm all for taking swings on stars to try and get us over the hump, but was kind of hoping they'd save that draft capital for an edge rusher.

I mean we have to keep proper perspective here when we say older receiver. Metcalf will be 27 for the vast majority of next season so it's not like he's past his prime for the position at all. He's a good WR and has plenty of value, I just dont think he's on that top top tier and you're also pretty much signing up to give him a market value extension since he's only got a year left on his deal.

All that to say I'm down to do a fair deal, I just don't think a 1st and Doubs/Wicks is a reasonable ask.

Post #1854 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:13 pm

I know the draft is weak for WR but I don't want Metcalf and I certainly don't want to pay him big money.

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RRyder823 · Post #1855 » by **RRyder823** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:48 pm

I like Metcalf but paying him 30-35 a year while giving up a 2nd or a 3rd for the right to do so seems like a bad idea.

Really I'm not a big fan of paying any WR that kind of money. The position has easily the most inflated cost versus return value in the league

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dbrodz7 · Post #1856 » by **dbrodz7** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 7:12 pm

Hopefully the Bengals don’t tag Higgins, I know it was reported they will but I find it hard to believe they can pay Chase top dollar ever and Higgins top 10 money when Hendrickson also wants a new deal. Would be nice to see if Gute wants in if he’s available.

Matches Malone · Post #1857 » by **Matches Malone** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:05 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Trading a pick and young player for an older receiver would be shocking and goes against everything Gute has done so far. I'm all for taking swings on stars to try and get us over the hump, but was kind of hoping they'd save that draft capital for an edge rusher.

I mean we have to keep proper perspective here when we say older receiver. Metcalf will be 27 for the vast majority of next season so it's not like he's past his prime for the position at all. He's a good WR and has plenty of value, I just dont he's on that top top tier and you're also pretty much signing up to give him a market value extension since he's only got a year left on his deal.

All that to say I'm down to do a fair deal, I just don't think a 1st and Doubs/Wicks is a reasonable ask.

Sure 27 doesn't sound too old, but he plays the position hard and is now starting to deal with knee and foot injuries from last season that caused him to miss a small amount of time. He's been durable for most of his career, I just worry the second we take him and give him a new deal, the wheels come off.

Post #1858 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:12 pm

He's missed a total of 3 games in 6 years. Very impressive. With Watson out most/all of next season and Doubs concussion concerns we do have to do something to shore up WR. I'm just hesitant to pull the trigger here.

Matches Malone · Post #1859 » by **Matches Malone** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:32 pm

Demovsky hearing from agents at the combine that the Packers will be players in free agency looking for CB, DL and WR help. Mentioned DJ Reed as a possible option.

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stillgotgame · Post #1860 » by **stillgotgame** » Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:37 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Demovsky hearing from agents at the combine that the Packers will be players in free agency looking for CB, DL and WR help. Mentioned DJ Reed as a possible option.

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https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/2/28/24375178/green-bay-packers-news-2025-free-agency-dj-reed-new-york-jets-cornerback-rumors

"In 2018, Reed’s rookie season, his positional coach was Hafley while his defensive coordinator was Robert Saleh."

Yes please.