NBA Trade Thread #11

[Donkedave]

LaMelo isn't coming to Chicago and especially not for a garbage package of White and Williams.

He could force his way here in a heartbeat. The real question is why should he waste away his career in Charlotte? And does Charlotte really wanna pay big $ for a guy whos played 90 total games over the last 3 years?

Its not gonna take some kind of godfather offer to get him

Does he have a NTC?

No, he doesn’t have one mate

[WindyCityBorn]

PWill is 23 yrs old and has been in the league for 5 years already. How much time does he need?

Guy has been a disappointment and AK made a mistake to re sign him.

I'll say it another way. I don't think he has positive trade value right now. There is no real opportunity cost to see if he can be better next season, either to cement himself as a keeper or to up his trade value.

Would it hurt to ask around the league to see if anyone is interested in him? I say that, but don't think AK would actually do that.

Awhile back I saw a random trade suggest of PW for John Collins. Depending on the off season I might try something like that. Utah might say no, but they might also think he's still young with potential.

Utah would want assets to do that trade. I would not attach anything to trade him. Might as well try to just keep especially now that we are rebuilding. Even if it’s 20 minutes off the bench. Maybe he’ll be useful in that role. No pressure anymore.

[Dan Z]

I'll say it another way. I don't think he has positive trade value right now. There is no real opportunity cost to see if he can be better next season, either to cement himself as a keeper or to up his trade value.

Would it hurt to ask around the league to see if anyone is interested in him? I say that, but don't think AK would actually do that.

Awhile back I saw a random trade suggest of PW for John Collins. Depending on the off season I might try something like that. Utah might say no, but they might also think he's still young with potential.

Utah would want assets to do that trade. I would not attach anything to trade him. Might as well try to just keep especially now that we are rebuilding. Even if it’s 20 minutes off the bench. Maybe he’ll be useful in that role. No pressure anymore.

Why would they want assets (or get them)? John Collins hasn't exactly been a player teams have gone after the past few years. Utah got him for Rudy Gay and a future 2nd round pick.

Of course PW hasn't been good this season, so his value isn't high either. Utah would have to think that he still has potential (due to his age) or improves enough to be a solid player.

Collins contract is shorter, so maybe the Bulls give up a 2nd? But I wouldn't give up much more and I don't think Utah is really thinking they'll get a lot for Collins.

[WindyCityBorn]

Would it hurt to ask around the league to see if anyone is interested in him? I say that, but don't think AK would actually do that.

Awhile back I saw a random trade suggest of PW for John Collins. Depending on the off season I might try something like that. Utah might say no, but they might also think he's still young with potential.

Utah would want assets to do that trade. I would not attach anything to trade him. Might as well try to just keep especially now that we are rebuilding. Even if it’s 20 minutes off the bench. Maybe he’ll be useful in that role. No pressure anymore.

Why would they want assets (or get them)? John Collins hasn't exactly been a player teams have gone after the past few years. Utah got him for Rudy Gay and a future 2nd round pick.

Of course PW hasn't been good this season, so his value isn't high either. Utah would have to think that he still has potential (due to his age) or improves enough to be a solid player.

Collins contract is shorter, so maybe the Bulls give up a 2nd? But I wouldn't give up much more and I don't think Utah is really thinking they'll get a lot for Collins.

Taking on a longer and contract is exactly they would want compensation. I think it’s unlikely they see some untapped potential we don’t. Ainge is way better at his job than AK. Except he should have cashed on Lauri when he had the chance.

[Muzbar]

He could force his way here in a heartbeat. The real question is why should he waste away his career in Charlotte? And does Charlotte really wanna pay big $ for a guy whos played 90 total games over the last 3 years?

Its not gonna take some kind of godfather offer to get him

Does he have a NTC?

No, he doesn’t have one mate

I knew that.

It was more aimed at "he could force his way here in a heartbeat" which is very incorrect since Charlotte can just trade him to wherever they want regardless on where he may 'want' to go.

Dame was trying to force a trade to Miami, he ended up in Milwaukee.

[Dan Z]

Utah would want assets to do that trade. I would not attach anything to trade him. Might as well try to just keep especially now that we are rebuilding. Even if it’s 20 minutes off the bench. Maybe he’ll be useful in that role. No pressure anymore.

Why would they want assets (or get them)? John Collins hasn't exactly been a player teams have gone after the past few years. Utah got him for Rudy Gay and a future 2nd round pick.

Of course PW hasn't been good this season, so his value isn't high either. Utah would have to think that he still has potential (due to his age) or improves enough to be a solid player.

Collins contract is shorter, so maybe the Bulls give up a 2nd? But I wouldn't give up much more and I don't think Utah is really thinking they'll get a lot for Collins.

Taking on a longer and contract is exactly they would want compensation. I think it’s unlikely they see some untapped potential we don’t. Ainge is way better at his job than AK. Except he should have cashed on Lauri when he had the chance.

It was just a suggestion (one that I read on a random website). Like I said they'd have to believe in his potential or think that PW does better with a change of scenery.

[Rose2Boozer]

The Bulls trade Coby White to the Magic for their 2025 1st round pick(16 as of today).

I'd probably do that, but would the Magic? Then at 16 draft BPA (preferably a PF or C).

It also depends on where the Bulls pick lands. If they end up at #8 or better and get someone like Tre Johnson then he can be the teams shooting guard going forward. If they end up at 8, but get someone like Maluach (Tankathon lists him at #8) then I'm not sure if they need a second pick in the draft (even though I'm not big on Maluach). If that happens maybe the Magic give up a future pick for Coby instead?

Also, who would the Magic give up to match Coby's salary?

The Magic should be able to take on White's contract using their non-tax payer mid-level exception.

[Donkedave]

Does he have a NTC?

No, he doesn’t have one mate

I knew that.

It was more aimed at "he could force his way here in a heartbeat" which is very incorrect since Charlotte can just trade him to wherever they want regardless on where he may 'want' to go.

Dame was trying to force a trade to Miami, he ended up in Milwaukee.

Roger that! I didn’t read the whole convo. Woulda worked that out if I had!

[Muzbar]

No, he doesn’t have one mate

I knew that.

It was more aimed at "he could force his way here in a heartbeat" which is very incorrect since Charlotte can just trade him to wherever they want regardless on where he may 'want' to go.

Dame was trying to force a trade to Miami, he ended up in Milwaukee.

Roger that! I didn’t read the whole convo. Woulda worked that out if I had!

Meh, all good.

You kind of helped my point regardless.

[kodo]

unrelated to the bulls.....Windhorst said that KD is basically gone and that the suns will take his preferences into consideration. I think it would be cool if he went to the nuggets. I think it would be great to see him reunited with Westbrook and to see him play off Jokic. MPj and a couple of role players would work money wise for the trade.

Denver doesn't have any picks til 2031, that came up in the Lavine rumors. The bidding for KD is going to be pretty good I would be surprised if MPJ + 2031, 2033 picks are the best offer out of 29 teams. KD sounds like he this will be the last stop in his career so it won't be a 1 year rental either.

Since Phoenix can't tank since they don't have their picks...their owner is going to want someone who can play immediately vs picks in the next decade IMO. He's a new owner, I'm not surprised that completely rejects the idea of tanking for 5 years with his brand new toy.

[Infinity2152]

Theoretically, a team can trade any player without a NTC anywhere they want. In practice, that's not true for star players. They cost a lot of money, and most times, teams need to know they'll buy in to being on the team before they trade for them. Dame didn't get to Miami, but he probably agreed to pair up with Giannis before that trade. Heat could NOT just trade Jimmy Butler anywhere. Nobody was taking him without a commitment. Kawhi left Toronto after one season. They don't win the ring, they look pretty dumb. He immediately left, after he told them he wasn't staying when they traded for him.

With all the media presence and hype around Lamelo and his family, he would probably have some input on where he goes. He has more time on his contract, so less leverage. But who's paying $40 mill for him with that injury history if he says he doesn't want to be there? He's not that good for that to happen.

[Donkedave]

The Bulls trade Coby White to the Magic for their 2025 1st round pick(16 as of today).

I'd probably do that, but would the Magic? Then at 16 draft BPA (preferably a PF or C).

It also depends on where the Bulls pick lands. If they end up at #8 or better and get someone like Tre Johnson then he can be the teams shooting guard going forward. If they end up at 8, but get someone like Maluach (Tankathon lists him at #8) then I'm not sure if they need a second pick in the draft (even though I'm not big on Maluach). If that happens maybe the Magic give up a future pick for Coby instead?

Also, who would the Magic give up to match Coby's salary?

The Magic should be able to take on White's contract using their non-tax payer mid-level exception.

If this is draft night, Magic don't have anything besides $7.9m room exception left.

[Dan Z]

unrelated to the bulls.....Windhorst said that KD is basically gone and that the suns will take his preferences into consideration. I think it would be cool if he went to the nuggets. I think it would be great to see him reunited with Westbrook and to see him play off Jokic. MPj and a couple of role players would work money wise for the trade.

Denver doesn't have any picks til 2031, that came up in the Lavine rumors. The bidding for KD is going to be pretty good I would be surprised if MPJ + 2031, 2033 picks are the best offer out of 29 teams. KD sounds like he this will be the last stop in his career so it won't be a 1 year rental either.

Since Phoenix can't tank since they don't have their picks...their owner is going to want someone who can play immediately vs picks in the next decade IMO. He's a new owner, I'm not surprised that completely rejects the idea of tanking for 5 years with his brand new toy.

I'm curious to see what KD's value is around the league. Even if he's not a one year rental he's a soon to be 36 year old who makes 54 million next year. I'm not sure what he'll get for an extension, but I'm sure it'll be crazy money.

[patryk7754]

I thibk we’re in a very solid spot to make a big trade. Like I mentioned in a previous post, we have a lot of tradable contracts.

Vucevic- an extremely efficient 20/10 guy making the same as Dillion brooks. One a one year deal

White- really good to great 6th man option. On a cheap one year deal

Huerter- not really the same since his injury but he’ll be on a one year, somewhat cheap deal. Hell always have a reputation of a good shooter.

Zach Collins - has always been a great rotational guy. Would prefer to be able to keep him but I wouldn’t turn down an all nba player just to keep him. His play here has probably increased his value. Also I’m a one year deal.

Lonzo- he might end up being on one of the best contracts in the nba. I think he’s looked better than most expected. He’ll have good trade value. In a perfect scenario, we keep him.

Ayo- really speaks for himself. Great defensive asset on cheap deal. Ideally we’d keep him.

Javon Carter. He only gets 6m. Not team will refuse to take him.

Pat Williams- he’s not an easily tradable contract. In fact I like to say he’s the worst contract in the league. But for us to be able to make a deal for a star and keep Collins, I think we’d have to include him.

Those are solid players on extremely friendly to relatively friendly deals and (as far as I know) we can trade any of our picks plus the Portland pick. We should be in the market for a star. Best case scenario would be giannis but that’s also probably going to be the hardest trade to pull off.

On top of making a major trade, we will have the cap to sign two really good to great players. My top choice is Naz Reid. Been eating to trade for him for several years now and the more games that go by the more expensive he gets. Naz and giannis would be an elite front court defensively and offensively. Add a d and 3 wing like Alexander Walker, plus our 2025 pick (looks like we won’t be in the top 4, so I hope we land Trey Johnson).

Lonzo/Giddey
Alexander-walker/Johnson
Matas/Ayo
Gianni’s/Smith
Reid/Collins

[WesPeace]

First of all, Reinsdorf WILL NOT pay luxury tax for that team!? 100%
Giannis 57M, Nazr will get paid, close to 20M probably, Alexander-Walker 12-15M, you gotta extend Giddey 20-25M per..
You are already around 110-115M,then Collins, Lonzo, rookie, Matas, Ayo, Smith,you are already over 170M and you still need 4-5
bench guys..

You will not get Giannis with our poor expirings ala Vuc, Huerter,plus PWill and without 2025 1st rounder? Forget about it! Bucks would want big package for Giannis,that we dont have!? AND ALSO why would he come here? He wants to chase titles, not be scared if he can make 2nd round of playoffs.

[sco]

First of all, Reinsdorf WILL NOT pay luxury tax for that team!? 100%
Giannis 57M, Nazr will get paid, close to 20M probably, Alexander-Walker 12-15M, you gotta extend Giddey 20-25M per..
You are already around 110-115M,then Collins, Lonzo, rookie, Matas, Ayo, Smith,you are already over 170M and you still need 4-5
bench guys..

You will not get Giannis with our poor expirings ala Vuc, Huerter,plus PWill and without 2025 1st rounder? Forget about it! Bucks would want big package for Giannis,that we dont have!? AND ALSO why would he come here? He wants to chase titles, not be scared if he can make 2nd round of playoffs.

Yeah, I just don't see the Giannis narrative unless or until we find a "first star" and show success that can be built on.

[Infinity2152]

Giannis contract is thru the 2026-2027 season. Not like his value is going down, barring major injury. Earliest he's likely to move is that summer, more probably by deadline if Bucks are winning that season. By the time he's available, we could field a competitive package.

Pat's value is hopefully higher then, our 2026 pick is a likely lottery pick, we'll have cap space to make additional moves and can add future picks to deals. We'll probably have like 9-10 players under 26, or NBA average, already, lol.

[CROBulls]

People's dreams never ends. This certainly applies to Bulls fans.

[Chi town]

Zo is going to be worth a 1st on his contract. So many playoff teams would be helped big time by him.

[Infinity2152]

People's dreams never ends. This certainly applies to Bulls fans.

Man, who wants their dreams to end? None of us can actually affect what happens, so why not be optimistic? What's the worst that can happen? Bulls are bad next year. Expected, great, we get another high draft pick. Bulls are great next year. Great, our team full of young guys and our new rookie are beating veteran NBA teams. We still get a draft pick, it's just lower.

The other view. Bulls are bad, "All our young players suck, we overpaid Giddey and Pat, fire AK!". Bulls are good, "Great, we should be tanking, here we go making the playin again! Fire AK!"

We say "Hey, Giannis might be available summer 2026!". None of us are selling our houses betting on it. We don't even expect it to happen, lol. But we can dream.

I say "Giddey's going to be great next year!". I'm not going to be sad if he isn't. But I bet I'm happier all season than the guys who think all the Bulls suck, management sucks, coaching sucks. Don't know why they're even following or watching, I wouldn't watch something to complain and be miserable. But that's just my POV. The glass half empty vs glass half full perspective can greatly affect your appreciation of things in life.

It's sports. We're supposed to be enjoying it.