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Post#181 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:29 pm

El Turco wrote:No way I am giving that type of compensation on top of a big contract for a B tier receiver pushing 30. Third and a fifth or no deal.

There are many talented receivers in the league and many more in the pipeline, no need to make desperate moves at that position.

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd. Dk metcalf will be 27 for all but like 2 games during the 2025 season.
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Re: 2025 NFL Off-Season 

Post#182 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:36 pm

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El Turco wrote:No way I am giving that type of compensation on top of a big contract for a B tier receiver pushing 30. Third and a fifth or no deal.

There are many talented receivers in the league and many more in the pipeline, no need to make desperate moves at that position.

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd.

Yeah, he's just being ridiculous. Because he has a hate boner for the guy.

I mentioned this already, but if you look at his first 5 years of production in the league, it's very similar to that of Terrell Owen's. He's been a very productive receiver throughout his career.
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Post#183 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:37 pm

Calvin Ridley after being suspended for a year, was traded for a 3rd in 2022. I’d say dk metcalfs career has been better than Ridley’s career up until that point (age 27 season) and metcalf doesn’t come with a 1 year suspension.
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Post#184 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 3:54 pm

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El Turco wrote:No way I am giving that type of compensation on top of a big contract for a B tier receiver pushing 30. Third and a fifth or no deal.

There are many talented receivers in the league and many more in the pipeline, no need to make desperate moves at that position.

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd.

Yeah, he's just being ridiculous. Because he has a hate boner for the guy.

I mentioned this already, but if you look at his first 5 years of production in the league, it's very similar to that of Terrell Owen's. He's been a very productive receiver throughout his career.

Even after their first 6 years it’s similar. And T.O played the first 3 years of his career with Steve young and part of his 4th. The TDs are in T.Os favor but he also had a 16TD season in year 6.lol

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Post#185 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:04 pm

I really think Washington should trade for DK. DK and terry mclaurin would be a lotta fun. It’d actually be a similar 1-2 punch as how it is in philly with AJ brown and devonta smith.
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Post#186 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:12 pm

Jaydubb wrote:I really think Washington should trade for DK. DK and terry mclaurin would be a lotta fun. It’d actually be a similar 1-2 punch as how it is in philly with AJ brown and devonta smith.

It's been reported that three teams have made offers. Packers, Patriots & a mystery team.

I honestly don't love the idea myself. This year's draft class is pretty poor. So, they can't really replace his production. Tyler Lockett will likely be a cap casualty himself. Outside of JSN, they wouldn't have much. The timing just isn't great.
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Post#187 » by Mariner » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:29 pm

T.O first 4 years were his worst years. Probably because he wasn’t starting all off them. The game has changed since 1996. lol
Comparing passing numbers from the 90s to now is very disingenuous.
I’m not bashing DK. He’s good. Any team would be fortunate to have him. I just think the compensation is very high.
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Post#188 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:40 pm

Mariner wrote: I just think the compensation is very high.

If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.
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Post#189 » by Mariner » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:49 pm

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Mariner wrote: I just think the compensation is very high.

If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.

You’re probably right. But I can’t take money out of the equation. Four years on the cheap is huge. If I’m a team focusing on mainly one year then maybe.
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Post#190 » by Mariner » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:52 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote: I just think the compensation is very high.

If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.

I guess you don’t like
Burden
Golden
Egbuka
I even see mocks where McMillan is taken close to 20.
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Post#191 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:55 pm

Mariner wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote: I just think the compensation is very high.

If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.

You’re probably right. But I can’t take money out of the equation. Four years on the cheap is huge. If I’m a team focusing on mainly one year then maybe.

Money is obviously always part of the equation but if you have a qb on a rookie contract then it offsets that somewhat. That’s part of the reason why I think it’d be a good move for Washington. They don’t have to pay Daniels for like 3-4 more years, coincidentally around the same time dk metcalfs contract would be getting closer to coming off the books.
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Post#192 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:59 pm

Mariner wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote: I just think the compensation is very high.

If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.

I guess you don’t like
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Egbuka
I even see mocks where McMillan is taken close to 20.

None of those guys have the same ceiling. McMillan will be a top 10 pick. He won't be an option for teams like Green Bay.

This is a VERY weak WR class. That's precisely why Metcalf would have value. If you want a big threat X receiver, DK is your best bet.
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Post#193 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:11 pm

I like the tight ends in this draft class more than the WRs. I almost expect the eagles to go tight end in round 2 or 3
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Post#194 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:13 pm

I think Travis hunter might be bringing up this years wr draft class but it sounds like most scouts prefer him at CB than wr anyway.
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Post#195 » by Mariner » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:21 pm

Jaydubb wrote:
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Cactus Jack wrote:If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.

You’re probably right. But I can’t take money out of the equation. Four years on the cheap is huge. If I’m a team focusing on mainly one year then maybe.

Money is obviously always part of the equation but if you have a qb on a rookie contract then it offsets that somewhat. That’s part of the reason why I think it’d be a good move for Washington. They don’t have to pay Daniels for like 3-4 more years, coincidentally around the same time dk metcalfs contract would be getting closer to coming off the books.

Washington might work. They have the space and their first rounder is almost a second.
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Post#196 » by Cactus Jack » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:25 pm

Jaydubb wrote:I like the tight ends in this draft class more than the WRs. I almost expect the eagles to go tight end in round 2 or 3

It's an excellent TE class.

DT/DL, RB, TE are the strengths of this class.
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Post#197 » by Mr B » Sat Mar 1, 2025 6:33 pm

Mariner wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:
Mariner wrote: I just think the compensation is very high.

If you're a team that wants to add a receiver. Would you rather draft one in the 20's this year? Or add someone the caliber of Metcalf instead? Take money out of the equation. You won't find a better receiver available in this draft class.

I guess you don’t like
Burden
Golden
Egbuka
I even see mocks where McMillan is taken close to 20.

If McMillan makes to 12 he’s likely the pick for Dallas.
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Post#198 » by El Turco » Sat Mar 1, 2025 6:55 pm

Jaydubb wrote:
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Jaydubb wrote:People said the same exact same thing about the AJ brown trade. Here’s an update:

https://fansided.com/the-aj-brown-trade-was-bad-in-the-moment-and-somehow-looks-worse-years-later


AJ Brown was 3 years younger and depends less on speed and athleticism.

Why you acting like dk metcalf is old?lol


AJ Brown was traded when he was 24, so you think 24 year old receiver and a 27 year old receiver has the same draft compensation value? lol
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Post#199 » by El Turco » Sat Mar 1, 2025 7:05 pm

Jaydubb wrote:
El Turco wrote:No way I am giving that type of compensation on top of a big contract for a B tier receiver pushing 30. Third and a fifth or no deal.

There are many talented receivers in the league and many more in the pipeline, no need to make desperate moves at that position.

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd. Dk metcalf will be 27 for all but like 2 games during the 2025 season.


There is a huge gap between a third and a first and a third. Not to mention both those deal blew up on buyers' face

Metcalf will ask for a 4 year contract at least, and even if you have the most optimistic projections for him front half of the deal back end of it he'll be 29 year old receiver who depends on his speed. So you are stuck with a 30 million dollar aging receiver who was never top of the line to begin with, and you gave up a chance to get a player who is cap controlled for 5 years and then some. Nobody is comfortable with that except for maybe Jerry Jones :lol:
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Post#200 » by Jaydubb » Sat Mar 1, 2025 7:09 pm

El Turco wrote:
Jaydubb wrote:
El Turco wrote:
AJ Brown was 3 years younger and depends less on speed and athleticism.

Why you acting like dk metcalf is old?lol


AJ Brown was traded when he was 24, so you think 24 year old receiver and a 27 year old receiver has the same draft compensation value? lol

Nope. But that trade looked like bad value for AJ brown even when it happened, the titans probably should’ve gotten more. They showed Mike vrabel in the draft room as the trade was being announced and he looked like he wanted to hit somebody.

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