Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[Dresden]

I'd also seriously consider that trade down I think that would be a great way to get a lot of talent on our lines and I do think we need a fair amount of quantity. One thing that would make me pause is this is hopefully the highest we will draft in a while so if there is a blue chipper available at 10 I would consider it even if it is not a huge need but I don't want to reach for an Edge or OT there if there isn't a guy that stands out I'd rather trade down and get two guys and hedge bets at that point. I think we need far more help on the IOL anyway and those guys tend to be available later so I don't mind not going OL on that first pick.

This is where I don't mind the idea of taking Jeanty. What I like about him is it sounds like he's a great kid with a strong work ethic and well balanced skill set seems like he is able to get through people well and has speed once he does and then it also sounds like he had good consistency. I guess the part I'm not too sure of is how much he separates himself from the rest of the pack of RB but I would consider him and a great RB could really help take pressure off the OL and Caleb so IMO it's the next best thing to getting a good OL player.

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Trading down has always been my preference. We actually do need quantity over quality right now. As Almost Retired has mentioned, trading down and taking the guard from AL would be just fine. And then using the extra pick we get, either in the 2nd or 3rd, for additional line help, either offensive or defensive.

The one scenario which would give me pause on doing that is if they really fall in love with one of the EDGE's that will be available then, like Mykal Williams.

As for drafting Jeanty, I'm very leery of doing that. Penn State was able to shut him down effectively (something like 3.3 ypc), and that was the only top 20 defense he faced all year. The rest of his yardage came against lesser schools. If we address the O line this year, then maybe next year we can use our FRP on a RB, if it works out that way.

I think last season, they thought that if they added enough weapons for Caleb (Rome, Allen, Swift, Everett), that that would compensate for having an inferior line. It didn't work out at all.

[Chi town]

Unless Graham or Carter falls I’m trading back.

We need vet and rookie talent and depth across both lines. Poles and Johnson will show their chops in this draft. Only 5-7 Blue chippers but loaded with talent in top 70.

We need to draft 3 day one starters. We need to sign 3 starters.

[patryk7754]

I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to drafting Warren (or Loveland). TE is far from out top need but I believe that their talent level is high enough to justify picking them (assuming we have a good free agency plan). I don’t think Kmet is in the long term plans and Johnson can really get creative to someone like Warren.

If we sign a starting DE and 2-3 starters on the OL, I’d be open to using our first on something other than DL/OL. Sometimes taking best player available trumps taking biggest need

Sure but I don’t think that will keep them from drafting Warren. Who I think is a lesser version of bowers. And I don’t think they take a te at 10. If they do draft someone like that it’ll be after trading down
If we wanted to draft a TE that high, we should have done it last year with Brock Bowers.

[nomorezorro]

We need to draft 3 day one starters. We need to sign 3 starters.

we need four starters (two guards, a center, and a de). getting an RB would be nice, but going into the season with roschon/swift wouldn't be the end of the world. i dunno what position you even have in mind for the sixth starter. i guess wr3 if you consider that a starting position?

[molepharmer]

..... Only 5-7 Blue chippers but loaded with talent in top 70......

And there in lies the problem with trading down. There needs to be a blue-chip almost elite talent at #10 for anybody to give up significant draft capital. If it was a QB, then maybe. But is trading up for Jeanty, Warren or even McMillan worth giving up a 3rd round pick. The quality and quantity on the lines isn't worth a trade-up. I'd guess the furthest Bears could trade down would be at 15-ish; a team fearful they'd lose out on AJ, TW or TM, etc. to a team in the #11-14 range. It'd be interesting to see the history of teams significantly trading up for a non-QB. Stating the obvious, I highly doubt Bears would trade down if Graham or Carter somehow fall to #10.

[Chi town]

We need to draft 3 day one starters. We need to sign 3 starters.

we need four starters (two guards, a center, and a de). getting an RB would be nice, but going into the season with roschon/swift wouldn't be the end of the world. i dunno what position you even have in mind for the sixth starter. i guess wr3 if you consider that a starting position?

WR 3 or Safety. Maybe RB. I like the OKST kid late.

[Chi town]

..... Only 5-7 Blue chippers but loaded with talent in top 70......

And there in lies the problem with trading down. There needs to be a blue-chip almost elite talent at #10 for anybody to give up significant draft capital. If it was a QB, then maybe. But is trading up for Jeanty, Warren or even McMillan worth giving up a 3rd round pick. The quality and quantity on the lines isn't worth a trade-up. I'd guess the furthest Bears could trade down would be at 15-ish; a team fearful they'd lose out on AJ, TW or TM, etc. to a team in the #11-14 range. It'd be interesting to see the history of teams significantly trading up for a non-QB. Stating the obvious, I highly doubt Bears would trade down if Graham or Carter somehow fall to #10.

Only way I stay at 10 is if they are there. Someone will be high on a player that don’t want to miss on and will trade up.

I look Booker later or one of the DE’s.

[Kurt Heimlich]

..... Only 5-7 Blue chippers but loaded with talent in top 70......

And there in lies the problem with trading down. There needs to be a blue-chip almost elite talent at #10 for anybody to give up significant draft capital. If it was a QB, then maybe. But is trading up for Jeanty, Warren or even McMillan worth giving up a 3rd round pick. The quality and quantity on the lines isn't worth a trade-up. I'd guess the furthest Bears could trade down would be at 15-ish; a team fearful they'd lose out on AJ, TW or TM, etc. to a team in the #11-14 range. It'd be interesting to see the history of teams significantly trading up for a non-QB. Stating the obvious, I highly doubt Bears would trade down if Graham or Carter somehow fall to #10.

Only way I stay at 10 is if they are there. Someone will be high on a player that don’t want to miss on and will trade up.

I look Booker later or one of the DE’s.

Yeah agreed with Mole here, I don't see the motivation for any team to give up significant value (i.e. above 4th round level) to move up in a draft so widely consider broad and deep rather than top heavy. Which makes the Jalen Carter trade out Poles went with continue to sting. The Dan Campbell/Lions mantra of "just take the best guy" that seems to be a theme of direction with Ben's hiring plus Poles' potential feeling of mea culpa for high level failures like the aforementioned miss on the obvious transcendent talent in Carter makes me truly unsure of where the Bears will go at pick 10.

[fleet]

I am confused at some of the reporting on this. This is not the “franchise” tag. So they’re possibly trying to trade him. Which I am not in favor of doing, depending on compensation. If I understood it correctly, compensation rules basically say the Chiefs would get 2 first rounders if they lose him to another team. I don’t know how this works, if that’s negotiable. I would not do that, not even close.

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[patryk7754]

At this point, I think i'm set on bring four new starters on the OL through Free agency.

Ronnie Stanley: 3/57 (I assume this will be the ceiling of what he makes. based on the Jackson deal)
Kevin Zeitler: 2/12
Drew Dalman: 4/36
Will Fries: 4/60

That would average out to about 49m for this year in cap hits, leaving us with 25m left over. We can use that to resign key players, sign a decent DE, and probably one or two quality backups.

Stanley/Jones ( I would trade him)
Zeitler/2025 2nd
Dalman/Bates (I'd cut him and replace with a cheaper backup)
Fries/McFadden
Wright/FA

[patryk7754]

Debo Samuel just got traded to the commanders for a 5th. One of my favorite potential targets is Rasheed Shaheed but I wasn't really sure what his trade value is. The debo trade should make it pretty easy to acquire him (assuming the saints are open to making trades, which I would assume they would be)

[fleet]

At this point, I think i'm set on bring four new starters on the OL through Free agency.

Ronnie Stanley: 3/57 (I assume this will be the ceiling of what he makes. based on the Jackson deal)
Kevin Zeitler: 2/12
Drew Dalman: 4/36
Will Fries: 4/60

That would average out to about 49m for this year in cap hits, leaving us with 25m left over. We can use that to resign key players, sign a decent DE, and probably one or two quality backups.

Stanley/Jones ( I would trade him)
Zeitler/2025 2nd
Dalman/Bates (I'd cut him and replace with a cheaper backup)
Fries/McFadden
Wright/FA

So many people have been mentioning Fries. In Indy, he is regarded the same as Tevin Jenkins is in Chicago. I don’t get it. May as well resign Tevin.

[dice]

At this point, I think i'm set on bring four new starters on the OL through Free agency.

Ronnie Stanley: 3/57 (I assume this will be the ceiling of what he makes. based on the Jackson deal)
Kevin Zeitler: 2/12
Drew Dalman: 4/36
Will Fries: 4/60

That would average out to about 49m for this year in cap hits, leaving us with 25m left over. We can use that to resign key players, sign a decent DE, and probably one or two quality backups.

Stanley/Jones ( I would trade him)
Zeitler/2025 2nd
Dalman/Bates (I'd cut him and replace with a cheaper backup)
Fries/McFadden
Wright/FA

So many people have been mentioning Fries. In Indy, he is regarded the same as Tevin Jenkins is in Chicago. I don’t get it. May as well resign Tevin.

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[patryk7754]

At this point, I think i'm set on bring four new starters on the OL through Free agency.

Ronnie Stanley: 3/57 (I assume this will be the ceiling of what he makes. based on the Jackson deal)
Kevin Zeitler: 2/12
Drew Dalman: 4/36
Will Fries: 4/60

That would average out to about 49m for this year in cap hits, leaving us with 25m left over. We can use that to resign key players, sign a decent DE, and probably one or two quality backups.

Stanley/Jones ( I would trade him)
Zeitler/2025 2nd
Dalman/Bates (I'd cut him and replace with a cheaper backup)
Fries/McFadden
Wright/FA

So many people have been mentioning Fries. In Indy, he is regarded the same as Tevin Jenkins is in Chicago. I don’t get it. May as well resign Tevin.

Regarded the same as in injury issues? As far as I am aware, he "only" had the injury from this past season. It was a serious injury but Jenkins has chronic issues. Fries had a freak injury. I think it was a broken tibia. If Fries does have the same type of issues that just won't go away, then there should probably be a change in thought process but I am not willing to bring back jenkins and anything more than 5m. Not only has he been more injured than not, but that seemingly finally caught up to his play. He was very inconsistent in his play this season

[fleet]

At this point, I think i'm set on bring four new starters on the OL through Free agency.

Ronnie Stanley: 3/57 (I assume this will be the ceiling of what he makes. based on the Jackson deal)
Kevin Zeitler: 2/12
Drew Dalman: 4/36
Will Fries: 4/60

That would average out to about 49m for this year in cap hits, leaving us with 25m left over. We can use that to resign key players, sign a decent DE, and probably one or two quality backups.

Stanley/Jones ( I would trade him)
Zeitler/2025 2nd
Dalman/Bates (I'd cut him and replace with a cheaper backup)
Fries/McFadden
Wright/FA

So many people have been mentioning Fries. In Indy, he is regarded the same as Tevin Jenkins is in Chicago. I don’t get it. May as well resign Tevin.

Regarded the same as in injury issues? As far as I am aware, he "only" had the injury from this past season. It was a serious injury but Jenkins has chronic issues. Fries had a freak injury. I think it was a broken tibia.

I should say, that’s what someone doing coverage on the combine said. Maybe you’re right. But, I think it could be a risk with either player at this point. If the Bears drafted a LG in the FR, signed Dalman and then Jenkins for RG (or Fries for that matter), I wouldn’t mind.

[dice]

I am confused at some of the reporting on this. This is not the “franchise” tag. So they’re possibly trying to trade him. Which I am not in favor of doing, depending on compensation. If I understood it correctly, compensation rules basically say the Chiefs would get 2 first rounders if they lose him to another team. I don’t know how this works, if that’s negotiable. I would not do that, not even close.

23.4 is his tag. it's been a very long time (joey galloway, amazingly) since an outside team acquired a non-exclusive player by offering a better deal AND 2 1sts to former team

apparently it's rare to apply the exclusive tag, which is a couple mil more and forfeits the shot at 2 firsts

[patryk7754]

So many people have been mentioning Fries. In Indy, he is regarded the same as Tevin Jenkins is in Chicago. I don’t get it. May as well resign Tevin.

Regarded the same as in injury issues? As far as I am aware, he "only" had the injury from this past season. It was a serious injury but Jenkins has chronic issues. Fries had a freak injury. I think it was a broken tibia.

I should say, that’s what someone doing coverage on the combine said. Maybe you’re right. But, I think it could be a risk with either player at this point. If the Bears drafted a LG in the FR, signed Dalman and Jenkins for RG (or Fries for that matter), I wouldn’t mind.

Even though bring those four guys in would be my Plan A, I still wouldn't be mad at many of the other options we have. If we decide to pass on a "pricey" OG in FA and draft one middle to end of the 1st, I'd be ok with that. However, I would be a little annoyed if we decided to resign Jenkins over Zeitler. They'll most likely have the same price tag, but Zeitler is just flat out better, doesn't have the same injury issues, and has the playing history with Johnson. But, I would probably get over it if jenkins is cheap and actually can stay on the field.

[patryk7754]

Starting cap 78.8m

Resign:
Jaylon Johnson: 1.1m
Jack Sanborn: 1.1m
Josh Blackwell: 1.1m
Scott Daly: 1.03m
Byron Cowart: 1.03m
Amen Ogbongbemiga: 1.03m

Free Agency: Cap 72.2
Ronnie Stanley: 3/57
Kevin Zeitler: 2/12
Drew Dalman: 4/36
Will Fries: 4/60
Dan Skipper: 2/5
Malcolm Koonce: 1/12
Mo Ali-Cox: 1/1.2
Teddy Bridgewater: 1/2

Final Cap: 5.5m

Draft:
Trade Braxton Jones to the Cheifs for a 3rd (maybe even a second if they're desperate enough)
Trade down from 10 to somewhere in the range of 18-22ish. Acquire a minimum of 2025 3rd and 4th and a future pick
Trade 2025 4th for Rasheed Shaheed

Total Change in cap after these trades would be less than 1m

RD1: Tyler Warren, TE
RD2: J.T. Tuimoloau, DE
RD2: Alfred Collins, DT
RD3: Trey Henderson, RB
RD3: Xavier Watts, S
RD5: Jack Nelson, OL
RD6: Jah Joyner, DE
RD7: Seth McLaughlin, C
RD7: Jacob Parrish, CB


Roster:

Williams (Bridgewater/Bagent)
Swift/Henderson (Johnson)
Kmet/Warren/Ali-Cox
Moore/Odunze/Shaheed
Stanley/Zeitler/Dalman/Fries/Wright (Skipper/Nelson/Bates/McFadden/Kiran)

Koonce/Dexter/Collins/Sweat (Booker/Billings/Pickens/JTT)
Edwards/Edmunds/Sanborn
Johnson/Stevenson/Gordon
Byard/Brisker

[fleet]

This almost sounds like Ben Johnson is running the team. And that’s fine by me.

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[dice]

This almost sounds like Ben Johnson is running the team. And that’s fine by me.

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there was also reporting that poles wasn't gonna focus on EDGE in FA. which strongly suggests EDGE in draft. which i have been advocating due to abundance at that position