2025 NFL Off-Season

[El Turco]

No way I am giving that type of compensation on top of a big contract for a B tier receiver pushing 30. Third and a fifth or no deal.

There are many talented receivers in the league and many more in the pipeline, no need to make desperate moves at that position.

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd.

Yeah, he's just being ridiculous. Because he has a hate boner for the guy.

I mentioned this already, but if you look at his first 5 years of production in the league, it's very similar to that of Terrell Owen's. He's been a very productive receiver throughout his career.

Andy Dalton has better production than Joe Montana first five years, what's your point lol

[El Turco]

Why you acting like dk metcalf is old?lol

AJ Brown was traded when he was 24, so you think 24 year old receiver and a 27 year old receiver has the same draft compensation value? lol

Nope. But that trade looked like bad value for AJ brown even when it happened, the titans probably should’ve gotten more. They showed Mike vrabel in the draft room as the trade was being announced and he looked like he wanted to hit somebody.

I think most thought it was a great deal for Eagles, personally I thought Brown would be a top 5 receiver in the league and having that for 5+ years was well worth the compensation they paid.

But his situation was very different than Metcalf.

[Jaydubb]

No way I am giving that type of compensation on top of a big contract for a B tier receiver pushing 30. Third and a fifth or no deal.

There are many talented receivers in the league and many more in the pipeline, no need to make desperate moves at that position.

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd. Dk metcalf will be 27 for all but like 2 games during the 2025 season.

There is a huge gap between a third and a first and a third. Not to mention both those deal blew up on buyers' face

Metcalf will ask for a 4 year contract at least, and even if you have the most optimistic projections for him front half of the deal back end of it he'll be 29 year old receiver who depends on his speed. So you are stuck with a 30 million dollar aging receiver who was never top of the line to begin with, and you gave up a chance to get a player who is cap controlled for 5 years and then some. Nobody is comfortable with that except for maybe Jerry Jones

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

[Jaydubb]

AJ Brown was traded when he was 24, so you think 24 year old receiver and a 27 year old receiver has the same draft compensation value? lol

Nope. But that trade looked like bad value for AJ brown even when it happened, the titans probably should’ve gotten more. They showed Mike vrabel in the draft room as the trade was being announced and he looked like he wanted to hit somebody.

I think most thought it was a great deal for Eagles, personally I thought Brown would be a top 5 receiver in the league and having that for 5+ years was well worth the compensation they paid.

But his situation was very different than Metcalf.

It’s different, I agree, but I don’t agree when you say stuff like he’s an aging WR. He has a good chance to still be in his prime throughout most of his next contract. If that’s the final piece for a championship team then I don’t see anything wrong with giving a 1st if that’s what it costs.

[El Turco]

Last year 32 year old deandre Hopkins and 32 year old davante adams were both traded for basically that, a 3rd. Dk metcalf will be 27 for all but like 2 games during the 2025 season.

There is a huge gap between a third and a first and a third. Not to mention both those deal blew up on buyers' face

Metcalf will ask for a 4 year contract at least, and even if you have the most optimistic projections for him front half of the deal back end of it he'll be 29 year old receiver who depends on his speed. So you are stuck with a 30 million dollar aging receiver who was never top of the line to begin with, and you gave up a chance to get a player who is cap controlled for 5 years and then some. Nobody is comfortable with that except for maybe Jerry Jones

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Then why did you give them as examples as it means anything lol

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

I dont think it is a bad receiver draft and you can always trade down for picks in other years, but sure draft picks can fail. And Metcalf can have a career ending injury. Anything is possible, only thing is certain you don't pay rookie receiver 30 million even if he fails. Value of a draft pick is not just that he can end up a good player, he can end up a good player on a team control salary.

[Jaydubb]

There is a huge gap between a third and a first and a third. Not to mention both those deal blew up on buyers' face

Metcalf will ask for a 4 year contract at least, and even if you have the most optimistic projections for him front half of the deal back end of it he'll be 29 year old receiver who depends on his speed. So you are stuck with a 30 million dollar aging receiver who was never top of the line to begin with, and you gave up a chance to get a player who is cap controlled for 5 years and then some. Nobody is comfortable with that except for maybe Jerry Jones

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Then why did you give them as examples as it means anything lol

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

I dont think it is a bad receiver draft and you can always trade down for picks in other years, but sure draft picks can fail. And Metcalf can have a career ending injury. Anything is possible, only thing is certain you don't pay rookie receiver 30 million even if he fails. Value of a draft pick is not just that he can end up a good player, he can end up a good player on a team control salary.

I gave the 32 year olds as an example because you said you’d trade a 3rd for dk metcalf. Trade value is based on recent trades. As I’ve been saying, there’s two very recent trades (in 2024) where 32 year old WRs were traded for 3rd round picks. This is why I’m saying dk metcalfs value should be a lot higher than a 3rd considering he’s 5 years younger.

[Jaydubb]

There is a huge gap between a third and a first and a third. Not to mention both those deal blew up on buyers' face

Metcalf will ask for a 4 year contract at least, and even if you have the most optimistic projections for him front half of the deal back end of it he'll be 29 year old receiver who depends on his speed. So you are stuck with a 30 million dollar aging receiver who was never top of the line to begin with, and you gave up a chance to get a player who is cap controlled for 5 years and then some. Nobody is comfortable with that except for maybe Jerry Jones

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Then why did you give them as examples as it means anything lol

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

I dont think it is a bad receiver draft and you can always trade down for picks in other years, but sure draft picks can fail. And Metcalf can have a career ending injury. Anything is possible, only thing is certain you don't pay rookie receiver 30 million even if he fails. Value of a draft pick is not just that he can end up a good player, he can end up a good player on a team control salary.

Every team has different needs though. Some teams would want to take a WR and some teams would want an established WR. There’s not many established WRs on the market right now. I guess tee Higgins would be the other one. Tyreek hill maybe but he’s 31 and is short and relies heavily on speed and is also coming off a down year.

[El Turco]

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Then why did you give them as examples as it means anything lol

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

I dont think it is a bad receiver draft and you can always trade down for picks in other years, but sure draft picks can fail. And Metcalf can have a career ending injury. Anything is possible, only thing is certain you don't pay rookie receiver 30 million even if he fails. Value of a draft pick is not just that he can end up a good player, he can end up a good player on a team control salary.

I gave the 32 year olds as an example because you said you’d trade a 3rd for dk metcalf. Trade value is based on recent trades. As I’ve been saying, there’s two very recent trades (in 2024) where 32 year old WRs were traded for 3rd round picks. This is why I’m saying dk metcalfs value should be a lot higher than a 3rd considering he’s 5 years younger.

Hopkins was not traded for a 3rd, he was traded for a conditional 5th. Davante Adams has been a lot better than Metcalf and he was already on a big contract. Either way I dont think teams that traded for them are happy with their decision.

[Cactus Jack]

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

Yup!

The hit rate on 1st rounders isn't that great to begin with. It's definitely a gamble for the team that trades the established player.

The only real reason these trades even occur is for financial reasons. Otherwise, teams would hang onto players in their prime (27).

[El Turco]

And there’s a huge gap between a 32 year old player and a 27 year old player.

Then why did you give them as examples as it means anything lol

Also, saying most GMs would take the drafted player in a bad WR draft year over a 27 year old star is kinda insane… I’ll go back to the AJ brown trade. The titans took treylon burks at #18 with that draft pick. I bet they wish they kept AJ brown instead. Yes I know, 3 years younger, but they’d probably even take those years from age 27-29 over what burks has given the last 3.

EVERY DRAFT PICK IS A RISK. A guy like dk metcalf is an established player.

I dont think it is a bad receiver draft and you can always trade down for picks in other years, but sure draft picks can fail. And Metcalf can have a career ending injury. Anything is possible, only thing is certain you don't pay rookie receiver 30 million even if he fails. Value of a draft pick is not just that he can end up a good player, he can end up a good player on a team control salary.

Every team has different needs though. Some teams would want to take a WR and some teams would want an established WR. There’s not many established WRs on the market right now. I guess tee Higgins would be the other one. Tyreek hill maybe but he’s 31 and is short and relies heavily on speed and is also coming off a down year.

Unless you are talking about a top 5 type of a guy, I dont think a receiver is the difference between winning and losing a title. I dont think anyone can argue that Metcalf is even a top 10 receiver, I'd have difficulty putting him top 20.

[El Turco]

You are really gambling with receivers after age 29, especially with the ones that depend on speed.

[Mariner]

What does a DK extension look like?

[Cactus Jack]

I'm sure John Lynch wishes he had kept Buckner around instead of being stuck with Kinlaw. Or am I wrong!?

[Jaydubb]

Then why did you give them as examples as it means anything lol



I dont think it is a bad receiver draft and you can always trade down for picks in other years, but sure draft picks can fail. And Metcalf can have a career ending injury. Anything is possible, only thing is certain you don't pay rookie receiver 30 million even if he fails. Value of a draft pick is not just that he can end up a good player, he can end up a good player on a team control salary.

I gave the 32 year olds as an example because you said you’d trade a 3rd for dk metcalf. Trade value is based on recent trades. As I’ve been saying, there’s two very recent trades (in 2024) where 32 year old WRs were traded for 3rd round picks. This is why I’m saying dk metcalfs value should be a lot higher than a 3rd considering he’s 5 years younger.

Hopkins was not traded for a 3rd, he was traded for a conditional 5th. Davante Adams has been a lot better than Metcalf and he was already on a big contract. Either way I dont think teams that traded for them are happy with their decision.

You’re right! My bad my bad! For some reason I thought I saw he was traded for a conditional 3rd. Amari cooper was traded for a 3rd at 30 though. And Calvin Ridley was traded at 27 for a 3rd but he was in the middle of a 1 year suspension and he hadn’t been as good as dk metcalf.

So I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get a late 1st, especially if they added a mid round pick going the other way, but I can also see a high 2nd, although I do think they could get better value.

[Cactus Jack]

What does a DK extension look like?

His last extension was $24m apy. Likely would be closer to $30m this time around given the market.

[El Turco]

I'm sure John Lynch wishes he had kept Buckner around instead of being stuck with Kinlaw. Or am I wrong!?

Kinlaw+ salaries of two starters. He wishes he'd drafted a better player I am sure.

[Jaydubb]

You are really gambling with receivers after age 29, especially with the ones that depend on speed.

He still has age 27 age 28 age 29 years. That’s 3 more years of prime value left. After that, I agree there is risk of regression, but I’d say there’s a decent possibility that even after that you can still see “good not great” years

[El Turco]

You are really gambling with receivers after age 29, especially with the ones that depend on speed.

He still has age 27 age 28 age 29 years. That’s 3 more years of prime value left. After that, I agree there is risk of regression, but I’d say there’s a decent possibility that even after that you can still see “good not great” years

Maybe we have a different valuation of him. I think he is already "good not great", any regression or further injuries would be close to average and his contract would become cumbersome.

[Jaydubb]

You are really gambling with receivers after age 29, especially with the ones that depend on speed.

He still has age 27 age 28 age 29 years. That’s 3 more years of prime value left. After that, I agree there is risk of regression, but I’d say there’s a decent possibility that even after that you can still see “good not great” years

Maybe we have a different valuation of him. I think he is already "good not great", any regression or further injuries would be close to average and his contract would become cumbersome.

If that is how GMs value him then yeah I can see your point but I think GMs look at him as a very good WR in this league that could be borderline elite on the right team.

[Mariner]

He still has age 27 age 28 age 29 years. That’s 3 more years of prime value left. After that, I agree there is risk of regression, but I’d say there’s a decent possibility that even after that you can still see “good not great” years

Maybe we have a different valuation of him. I think he is already "good not great", any regression or further injuries would be close to average and his contract would become cumbersome.

If that is how GMs value him then yeah I can see your point but I think GMs look at him as a very good WR in this league that could be borderline elite on the right team.

I think some GMs see him closer to Mooney then elite.