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[Bernman]

Delaying the Rollins conversion is just getting weird at this point. Are we just going to stash him in the g-league, where he hasn't played all yr?

Even if you don't like what you've seen from Rollins recently, he could improve next yr after fixing his shoulder, & in the meantime at least theoretically he's one of the best pairings for a backcourt w/ Dame.

[WeMajor34]

Delaying the Rollins conversion is just getting weird at this point. Are we just going to stash him in the g-league, where he hasn't played all yr?

Even if you don't like what you've seen from Rollins recently, he could improve next yr after fixing his shoulder, & in the meantime at least theoretically he's one of the best pairings for a backcourt w/ Dame.

I’m guessing that we’re waiting on a PJ Tucker free agency decision at this point. He’s ring chasing so we’re not the best destination in that respect but we/Doc have a past relationship with him. I’ll continue to shrug my shoulders until we get some clarification on his end.

Rollins certainly has promise, so getting him on a bargain 2-year standard contract would be great. He’s proven to be a semi-reliable young guy and this team is itching for anyone who matches that criteria. It would also be a very movable piece if a bigger trade materializes in the summer.

[randy84]

Delaying the Rollins conversion is just getting weird at this point. Are we just going to stash him in the g-league, where he hasn't played all yr?

Even if you don't like what you've seen from Rollins recently, he could improve next yr after fixing his shoulder, & in the meantime at least theoretically he's one of the best pairings for a backcourt w/ Dame.

I’m guessing that we’re waiting on a PJ Tucker free agency decision at this point. He’s ring chasing so we’re not the best destination in that respect but we/Doc have a past relationship with him. I’ll continue to shrug my shoulders until we get some clarification on his end.

Rollins certainly has promise, so getting him on a bargain 2-year standard contract would be great. He’s proven to be a semi-reliable young guy and this team is itching for anyone who matches that criteria. It would also be a very movable piece if a bigger trade materializes in the summer.

My assumption is that they don't want the tax bill for Rollins now that KPJ is on the roster.

[Bernman]

Delaying the Rollins conversion is just getting weird at this point. Are we just going to stash him in the g-league, where he hasn't played all yr?

Even if you don't like what you've seen from Rollins recently, he could improve next yr after fixing his shoulder, & in the meantime at least theoretically he's one of the best pairings for a backcourt w/ Dame.

I’m guessing that we’re waiting on a PJ Tucker free agency decision at this point. He’s ring chasing so we’re not the best destination in that respect but we/Doc have a past relationship with him. I’ll continue to shrug my shoulders until we get some clarification on his end.

Rollins certainly has promise, so getting him on a bargain 2-year standard contract would be great. He’s proven to be a semi-reliable young guy and this team is itching for anyone who matches that criteria. It would also be a very movable piece if a bigger trade materializes in the summer.

My assumption is that they don't want the tax bill for Rollins now that KPJ is on the roster.

But they're seemingly going to sign someone else & we are talking a pittance. It would be extra-ordinarily cheap. And Rollins is vastly superior to PJ's corpse. Also, relative to KPJ, Rollins fits far better next to Dame in theory cuz he's a halfway decent off ball shooter & not high usage. Not to mention you're going to get worse 2-ways in the future when you don't promote the worthy ones.

[emunney]

Rollins is a good player and a great prospect. Haven't seen anybody on the buyout market I'd prefer over him today, and he's 22. Our best guard defender and all his skills are on the cusp.

[tedbrogen]

Probably waiting as long as possible to sign Rollins in case some vet they really want becomes available. They could convert him in the offseason as well.

[ShootingtheJ]

Probably waiting as long as possible to sign Rollins in case some vet they really want becomes available. They could convert him in the offseason as well.

Could be just saving the owners luxury tax dollars.

[ShootingtheJ]

Assuming Rollins gets added soon, would anyone use a 2 way on Johnny Davis? Or do you see someone more promising?

[WiscoKing13]

Assuming Rollins gets added soon, would anyone use a 2 way on Johnny Davis? Or do you see someone more promising?

Can you steal 2 ways? He's already under contract with the Knicks

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[WiscoKing13]

What is the tax implications if we sign 2 players for the rest of the year to the active roster and waive Livingston?

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[-Jragon-]

Delaying the Rollins conversion is just getting weird at this point. Are we just going to stash him in the g-league, where he hasn't played all yr?

Even if you don't like what you've seen from Rollins recently, he could improve next yr after fixing his shoulder, & in the meantime at least theoretically he's one of the best pairings for a backcourt w/ Dame.

I’m guessing that we’re waiting on a PJ Tucker free agency decision at this point. He’s ring chasing so we’re not the best destination in that respect but we/Doc have a past relationship with him. I’ll continue to shrug my shoulders until we get some clarification on his end.

Rollins certainly has promise, so getting him on a bargain 2-year standard contract would be great. He’s proven to be a semi-reliable young guy and this team is itching for anyone who matches that criteria. It would also be a very movable piece if a bigger trade materializes in the summer.

My assumption is that they don't want the tax bill for Rollins now that KPJ is on the roster.

We should be able to use BP's injury exception to sign someone

[emunney]

Assuming Rollins gets added soon, would anyone use a 2 way on Johnny Davis? Or do you see someone more promising?

Can you steal 2 ways? He's already under contract with the Knicks

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The Westchester Knicks. He's not on a 2 way.

[emunney]

What is the tax implications if we sign 2 players for the rest of the year to the active roster and waive Livingston?

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It will go up, unless someone claims Livingston, and it'll also depend on how many service years the 2 way has (relatively minute consideration).

[JonHeist]

I don't think the owners give a sh*t about a few mill extra in taxes

just the aprons

[-Jragon-]

I agree we don't want MB back anyways... so the Clippers just did KPJ a solid to get him somewhere that needed skills like his?

Or did they owe us a favor? I remember NBA trades used to say "and future considerations" -- did we just cash in a chip?

[ShootingtheJ]

I agree we don't want MB back anyways... so the Clippers just did KPJ a solid to get him somewhere that needed skills like his?

Or did they owe us a favor? I remember NBA trades used to say "and future considerations" -- did we just cash in a chip?

They don't have to worry about KPJs player option now.

[tedbrogen]

Probably waiting as long as possible to sign Rollins in case some vet they really want becomes available. They could convert him in the offseason as well.

Could be just saving the owners luxury tax dollars.

They’ve never had issue paying the tax despite not having gotten past the second round the past three seasons and only made the Midds move to duck the second apron for the non-monetary punishments (freezing draft picks, draft picks going to the end of the first round, can’t aggregate salaries in trades, limitations on signing buyout players, so forth).

They’ve never made a single move that seemed directly and solely related to saving tax money.

[MickeyDavis]

Moving the Middleton/Kuzma debate over here from the ATL thread

Because the idea was to discuss how well the team plays when Kuz, Giannis and Dame share the floor???

Not as good as Khris, Giannis, and Dame.

Offensively, by a smaller margin than the defense has improved, making the Kuz trio a higher net rating.

As a Kuz non believer with the hopefully it continues mindset, the wait and see attitude on defense can carry over offensively as well, where his massive shot appetite has made us 5.5 points better offensively when he's on the court.

Our Giannis lineups are 9.4 points better with him on than off. In just the games both played, Kuzma on/Giannis off is better offensively than Giannis on/Kuzma off by 5.1 points. The Dame/Giannis/Kuz lineup has a +11.81 net rating.

The ship really hasn't let on water yet.

No, the Bucks are worse offensively with Kuz on the court. Where did you get this number? We have an offensive rating of just 113.1 with Kuzma on the floor. We're at 114.7 for the season.

Why use just the games Kuz has played in? Why not compare him to where we were?

You're saying Kuzma tanks the offense with his play. That would require him to be playing. Maybe Khris was better, but that is irrelevant now. When Kuzma has played for the Milwaukee Bucks, he hasn't tanked the offense, it's been better than when he is on the bench. Pretty simple. Kuzma isn't making the offense worse by cheering from the bench. Half the games he played without Giannis, where throughout the season the offense was running at 106.1 so why are we penalizing him for that when even before he got here the offense sucked?

No, the Bucks are worse offensively with Kuz on the court. Where did you get this number? We have an offensive rating of just 113.1 with Kuzma on the floor. We're at 114.7 for the season.

Why use just the games Kuz has played in? Why not compare him to where we were?

You're saying Kuzma tanks the offense with his play. That would require him to be playing. Maybe Khris was better, but that is irrelevant now. When Kuzma has played for the Milwaukee Bucks, he hasn't tanked the offense, it's been better than when he is on the bench. Pretty simple. Kuzma isn't making the offense worse by cheering from the bench. Half the games he played without Giannis, where throughout the season the offense was running at 106.1 so why are we penalizing him for that when even before he got here the offense sucked?

so you're on with getting worse, got it.

Not as good as Khris, Giannis, and Dame.

Offensively, by a smaller margin than the defense has improved, making the Kuz trio a higher net rating.

So you've been able to prop up Kuz by going smaller sample. Too bad basketball isn't a 1 lineup game. I guess Khris carrying all the lineups he was in was bad.

[ShootingtheJ]

Probably waiting as long as possible to sign Rollins in case some vet they really want becomes available. They could convert him in the offseason as well.

Could be just saving the owners luxury tax dollars.

They’ve never had issue paying the tax despite not having gotten past the second round the past three seasons and only made the Midds move to duck the second apron for the non-monetary punishments (freezing draft picks, draft picks going to the end of the first round, can’t aggregate salaries in trades, limitations on signing buyout players, so forth).

They’ve never made a single move that seemed directly and solely related to saving tax money.

Sure, but it would be silly to sign Rollins early and pay extra tax for nothing. It always made sense to use his entire 2 way eligibility.

[Baddy Chuck]

so you're on with getting worse, got it.

So you've been able to prop up Kuz by going smaller sample. Too bad basketball isn't a 1 lineup game. I guess Khris carrying all the lineups he was in was bad.

I think our offense got worse trading Middleton for Kuzma, especially at the theoretical top end where I think a Midds rested for the playoffs gave us a much better puncher's chance against the best teams. I'm not sold on this roster or coaching to get us through the playoffs so to me the "puncher's chance" is something I would have gambled on. I wasn't a fan of this trade.

Currently though, in the post-Middleton era, Kuzma has not made our offense worse. Despite his efficiency, playstyle or whatever else currently the Milwaukee Bucks are better with him on the court offensively, he's held his own defensively and statistically his fit with the teams best players has been good. Maybe that changes. But it's a positive sign for now. Obviously sample sizes are going to be small for a guy we got 9 games ago, where Giannis returned from injury 5 games into that. You bring up the other trio and then cry foul when the new one is brought up, whatever.

In summary regarding where we are now with Kuzma to quote you from earlier, "Stats aren't influenced by nostalgia." Currently you're using nostalgia to diminish the stats we're currently seeing.