Keep or Trade Devin Booker in the off season?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Without trading KD and Book this is who will probably return unless we can or will trade them.

Book
KD
Beal - The only guaranteed return
Dunn
Oso???
Allen - unless we can trade him
O'Neal - unless we can trade him
Bol Bol??
Gillespie??
Ty Ty??

Nick Richards is a marginal NBA center at best but he probably will return.

Just imagine - we could go from Booker being the last man standing to Beal being the last man standing. FCK HEAD has no plan to build team unity and a winning culture. NONE!!!!!! He is the Elon Musk of the NBA.

I think we could have survived the trade for KD even though I hated it. The trade for Beal and Nurkic/Allen has basically sealed our doom for this year and the future. The only way out is to trade Booker for a surprisingly good package in return.

Some thought that the contracts we gave to Allen and O'Neale was pure genius as we could use them as trade pieces. How is that working out. They are every bit as untradeable as Beal.

Please give me a good decision that FCK HEAD has made for the improvement of our roster.

Hell, he even traded Sophie Cunningham, damn I liked her.

First, what I know of the WNBA - the trade to move on from Cunningham was necessary. But like the Suns they back themselves into a corner with the Copper trade. They had a top 3 pick - granted, they wouldn't have traded it if they had the 1st pick... Mercury are leveraged too but I think in better spot

As for the Suns - you nailed it. They extended those players as those were the best options - and the players knew it so they got 4 year deals as Ishbia didn't have better options

I understand the CBA was ratified after the Durant trade - but he really put the team in a bind. Somebody didn't read the fine print! As if they did - they probably shouldn't have made the Beal trade.

The only way for the Suns is what has been discussed. And I think by the end of the year, more fans will be of the same opinion that it will be time to blow it up

I just wanted Sophie to replace Drysdale as our color announcer. She looks and sounds a whole lot better. Hopefully she comes back after the WNBA season and gets that job.

I'd have preferred that too!....lol.

[BobbieL]

First, what I know of the WNBA - the trade to move on from Cunningham was necessary. But like the Suns they back themselves into a corner with the Copper trade. They had a top 3 pick - granted, they wouldn't have traded it if they had the 1st pick... Mercury are leveraged too but I think in better spot

As for the Suns - you nailed it. They extended those players as those were the best options - and the players knew it so they got 4 year deals as Ishbia didn't have better options

I understand the CBA was ratified after the Durant trade - but he really put the team in a bind. Somebody didn't read the fine print! As if they did - they probably shouldn't have made the Beal trade.

The only way for the Suns is what has been discussed. And I think by the end of the year, more fans will be of the same opinion that it will be time to blow it up

I just wanted Sophie to replace Drysdale as our color announcer. She looks and sounds a whole lot better. Hopefully she comes back after the WNBA season and gets that job.

I'd have preferred that too!....lol.

Good point. Sophie was good on the Suns broadcast

As for Booker - trade him

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm all for an Alleen/Bidatze trade. Maybe even an Allen/ Richards for Bidatze/ Harris/ Orlando 25' 2nd package.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm all for an Allen/Bidatze trade. Maybe even an Allen/ Richards for Bidatze/ Harris/ Orlando 25' 2nd package. And I like Richards! Just like Bidatze a whole lot more. And Richards, as solid as he's been, could be replaced by Johan Grunloh

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or even Clif Omoruyi (undrafted pool).

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[Frank Lee]

Bud to Book… ‘are you the pot or the kettle?’

[thamadkant]

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I'm all for an Alleen/Bidatze trade. Maybe even an Allen/ Richards for Bidatze/ Harris/ Orlando 25' 2nd package.

Yup.

As per my trade proposal in the main offseason thread

Allen or O'Neal for Goga. But need another athletic big like Mitch Robinson since foul trouble was an issue back when Suns had Ayton... suns didn't have a legit quality big defensively.

Fans creamed their pants over Jock Landale, but apart from his energy, he was far from good... and it pains me to say that as an Aussie

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'm all for an Alleen/Bidatze trade. Maybe even an Allen/ Richards for Bidatze/ Harris/ Orlando 25' 2nd package.

Yup.

As per my trade proposal in the main offseason thread

Allen or O'Neal for Goga. But need another athletic big like Mitch Robinson since foul trouble was an issue back when Suns had Ayton... suns didn't have a legit quality big defensively.

Fans creamed their pants over Jock Landale, but apart from his energy, he was far from good... and it pains me to say that as an Aussie

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I know that Fishi doesn't like him much at all, but for the potential value, I'm also kind of interested in an Allen/ O'neale/ CLE 27' 1st for Bidatze/ Isaac's/ Orlando 2nd deal? Isaacs is only partially guaranteed, but still an elite defender that IF we don't trade KD ( not that I'm advocating to not blow it up!!) And Ishbia Instead opts to do trades around the margins, then we could run a lineup of:

Booker/ Beal/ Durant / Isaacs / Bidatze.
Morris/ Trent Jr/ Dunn/ Bol Bol / Richards.
Gillespie/ Brea/ Bryant/ Lendeborg/ Ighodaro.

That's a ton of length and defensive versatility! We'd still keep our " Big 3" offensive players, but also significantly upgrade our defense, size, physicality and athleticism too. Again, IF we don't end up trading KD this summer because Ishbia uses coach Bud as a scapegoat excuse for everything so he can try to sell the fanbase on running it back one more time! Which I don't agree with, but he'll likely try rather than take accountability and make the tough decisions.

[bwgood77]

Some of these twitter accounts talking about firing Bud like some new coach will fix the problems. If all we do is hire another new coach, it won't do anything. Booker has not realized he has not been able to lead a team anywhere (most of the time not even close to the playoffs) without Chris Paul. Last year we barely made it due to some injuries on other teams, by like a game or two, but of course got throttled in the first round.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Some of these twitter accounts talking about firing Bud like some new coach will fix the problems. If all we do is hire another new coach, it won't do anything. Booker has not realized he has not been able to lead a team anywhere (most of the time not even close to the playoffs) without Chris Paul. Last year we barely made it due to some injuries on other teams, by like a game or two, but of course got throttled in the first round.

Bud is definitely a big part of the problem with his inability/ unwillingness to adapt and his clear unwillingness to promote/ develop young talent that is key to our future and viability. But he's not the sole reason for our embarrassingly horrific struggles.

We have so many critical issues from the front office (ownership/ GM/ POBO, etc). Also our culture is broken and our entire roster with the exception of a few players ( Dunn, Oso, Bol, Gillespie) is mentally fragile and physically passive and it needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt back stronger and correctly.

We're a finesse jumpshooting team playing in a trending cycle of physically and athletically dominant resurgence. And we fold very quickly under any legitimate pressure. This team has no heart and no future as currently constructed. Blow it up! And save our future.

[Calvin Klein]

Some of these twitter accounts talking about firing Bud like some new coach will fix the problems. If all we do is hire another new coach, it won't do anything. Booker has not realized he has not been able to lead a team anywhere (most of the time not even close to the playoffs) without Chris Paul. Last year we barely made it due to some injuries on other teams, by like a game or two, but of course got throttled in the first round.

Bud is definitely a big part of the problem with his inability/ unwillingness to adapt and his clear unwillingness to promote/ develop young talent that is key to our future and viability. But he's not the sole reason for our embarrassingly horrific struggles.

We have so many critical issues from the front office ( ownership/ GM/ POBO, etc). Also our culture is broken and our entire roster with the exception of a few players ( Dunn, Oso, Bol, Gillespie) is mentally fragile and physically passive and it needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt back stronger and correctly.

We're a finesse jumpshooting team playing in a trending cycle of physically and athletically dominant resurgence. And we fold very quickly under any legitimate pressure. This team has no heart and no future as currently constructed. Blow it up! And save our future.

But that is who Bud is. It's like hiring Thibs and complaining about players playing too many minutes. Or trading for Beal and being mad that he is injured and overpaid.

As you said, the idiots in charge are to blame. They created this monstrosity.

[Slim Charless]

Some of these twitter accounts talking about firing Bud like some new coach will fix the problems. If all we do is hire another new coach, it won't do anything. Booker has not realized he has not been able to lead a team anywhere (most of the time not even close to the playoffs) without Chris Paul. Last year we barely made it due to some injuries on other teams, by like a game or two, but of course got throttled in the first round.

Bud is definitely a big part of the problem with his inability/ unwillingness to adapt and his clear unwillingness to promote/ develop young talent that is key to our future and viability. But he's not the sole reason for our embarrassingly horrific struggles.

We have so many critical issues from the front office ( ownership/ GM/ POBO, etc). Also our culture is broken and our entire roster with the exception of a few players ( Dunn, Oso, Bol, Gillespie) is mentally fragile and physically passive and it needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt back stronger and correctly.

We're a finesse jumpshooting team playing in a trending cycle of physically and athletically dominant resurgence. And we fold very quickly under any legitimate pressure. This team has no heart and no future as currently constructed. Blow it up! And save our future.

But that is who Bud is. It's like hiring Thibs and complaining about players playing too many minutes. Or trading for Beal and being mad that he is injured and overpaid.

As you said, the idiots in charge are to blame. They created this monstrosity.

I don't want him to be fired.....unless we can get Chris Quinn lol. Or maybe someone off Ime's bench.

Those are both with qualifiers that we make KD trades to those teams and get a cpl of their young pieces back. That way, we can have guys that know their systems and can produce similarly.

But simply keeping Bud and letting him have a go at it with players that care is the best move.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Some of these twitter accounts talking about firing Bud like some new coach will fix the problems. If all we do is hire another new coach, it won't do anything. Booker has not realized he has not been able to lead a team anywhere (most of the time not even close to the playoffs) without Chris Paul. Last year we barely made it due to some injuries on other teams, by like a game or two, but of course got throttled in the first round.

Bud is definitely a big part of the problem with his inability/ unwillingness to adapt and his clear unwillingness to promote/ develop young talent that is key to our future and viability. But he's not the sole reason for our embarrassingly horrific struggles.

We have so many critical issues from the front office ( ownership/ GM/ POBO, etc). Also our culture is broken and our entire roster with the exception of a few players ( Dunn, Oso, Bol, Gillespie) is mentally fragile and physically passive and it needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt back stronger and correctly.

We're a finesse jumpshooting team playing in a trending cycle of physically and athletically dominant resurgence. And we fold very quickly under any legitimate pressure. This team has no heart and no future as currently constructed. Blow it up! And save our future.

But that is who Bud is. It's like hiring Thibs and complaining about players playing too many minutes. Or trading for Beal and being mad that he is injured and overpaid.

As you said, the idiots in charge are to blame. They created this monstrosity.

Yeah! It kinda made sense when we there was still the illusion that we were contenders or even possibly one of the top playoff teams in the west. But now that all of those illusions/;delusions are crumbling rather quickly, it just makes more sense to try and catch up to the trend of younger more innovative and adaptable coaches that can relate to the younger generation of players and who are in touch with the pulse of the league.

We've tried the whole older, experienced vet coaches with a championship pedigree. And look where that's gotten us the last few seasons. The old head coaching premise is unadaptive to the current league trends and is going extinct. It's time for us to try and catch up!

[Frank Lee]

Careful what you wish for. Zeke is looming

[Biff]

Booker seems completely checked out so I have no idea why we'd keep him. Just start that rebuild process.

[KdoubleDees23]

TBH - you keep booker unless he asks to be traded. If he asks, you trade him to Detroit, Houston, OKC, or Timberwolves

[mkot]

I'm not sure any high profile coach would want to touch this roster, 4 coaches in 4 years, I don't know, why would anyone put their reputation on the line

[lilfishi22]

I'm not sure any high profile coach would want to touch this roster, 4 coaches in 4 years, I don't know, why would anyone put their reputation on the line

Didn't Vogel and Bud both take a year off coaching before taking the Phoenix role? Sheesh

[SunsRback4Good]

We need to trade Booker while his stock is still high. Unfortunately the FO has other things in mind. They’d rather keep him a Sun for life.

[Calvin Klein]

This is so grim.

[garrick]

Some of these twitter accounts talking about firing Bud like some new coach will fix the problems. If all we do is hire another new coach, it won't do anything. Booker has not realized he has not been able to lead a team anywhere (most of the time not even close to the playoffs) without Chris Paul. Last year we barely made it due to some injuries on other teams, by like a game or two, but of course got throttled in the first round.

Unfortunately Book learned some bad habits coming into a losing situation and suddenly being thrust into being the face of the franchise and he has not been able to work on the deficiencies in his game because of his love of the mid range shot and his love of hero ball.

Going forward he really needs to focus on being a better catch and shoot player and being able to pass out of the double if he wants to have any success in his 30's otherwise he may be a very diminished player in the not too distant future since he never had elite athleticism to begin with.