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Post#1601 » by Saberestar » Sun Mar 2, 2025 7:05 pm

Devin Booker on Chris Haynes report that Mike Budenholzer told him to "tone done" his voice and that Booker was shocked by it:

"Nah, Coach said it, too. We've had multiple conversations. I can't seem to find one that sticks out more than the others. It's a player/coach relationship. When things start going bad, everybody tries to point fingers to find out what's wrong. People are going to come up with stuff. The relationship is great. We're on the same page, we're trying to win and that's that."


Good news IMO and it’s pretty similar to what Budenholzer said when he was asked about it a couple days ago.
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Post#1602 » by sunsbg » Sun Mar 2, 2025 9:48 pm

Blazers lead Cavs by 12 at the half on the road. Camara leading scorer + 5 steals. CP3 and Ayton's teams may finish with better record than KD and Booker's team lol.
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Post#1603 » by TeamTragic » Sun Mar 2, 2025 9:50 pm

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Devin Booker on Chris Haynes report that Mike Budenholzer told him to "tone done" his voice and that Booker was shocked by it:

"Nah, Coach said it, too. We've had multiple conversations. I can't seem to find one that sticks out more than the others. It's a player/coach relationship. When things start going bad, everybody tries to point fingers to find out what's wrong. People are going to come up with stuff. The relationship is great. We're on the same page, we're trying to win and that's that."


Good news IMO and it’s pretty similar to what Budenholzer said when he was asked about it a couple days ago.


Under no circumstances should this team fire Bud. Not his fault that the front office doesn't understand the modern NBA.
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Post#1604 » by Saberestar » Sun Mar 2, 2025 10:05 pm

sunsbg wrote:Blazers lead Cavs by 12 at the half on the road. Camara leading scorer + 5 steals. CP3 and Ayton's teams may finish with better record than KD and Booker's team lol.

But not for Ayton or CP3.
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Post#1605 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Mar 2, 2025 10:16 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:Your entire premise is that if KD wants to go to Washington then he'll go. My entire argument is that goes against everything he's done in his career which is trying to win because Washington is in no position to win anything. And if your argument is that with new ownership they'll suddenly throw away their rebuilding process to try and actually win with an old star, then you've made plenty of arguments against exactly that in Phoenix



I have no idea why Durant would EVER consider going to the Wiz....they have like 10 wins. So what if he's from there? He'll go to a team that he can win with. He turned them down back when he was like in his 20s and they had a healthy Beal and Wall-both coming off ASG berths and the Wiz had just made the 2nd round of the playoffs.....

Now he decides to go to the worse (by 5 games) team in the league?


I don't get why this is so difficult for some to objectively consider. I mean I gave multiple reasons why he might consider such a possibility now. Obviously a person's values and priorities can change with time and age!

And clearly, as people get older and closer to finishing their careers, their views/ perspectives of things that they maybe wouldn't have considered at 20 yrs old could be vastly different 27 yrs later in life. Again, he's already reached the pinnacle of achievements both in winning championships and in his personal achievements as a top 5 all time player in NBA history.

People keep trying to argue that he somehow must keep pursuing more achievements and accolades, but based on what exactly? Because they think he should? What if he's fulfilled in that aspect of his career? What if he just wants to play basketball and be happy in his last few remaining years? Would he be wrong for wanting that?

Have I missed somewhere that he's said he intends to only play for a contender? Have I missed somewhere where he's gone on record saying that he fully intends to chase more championships? Does anyone here know him personally or speaks for him or can read his mind?

In life, we all know that over time (and with age) a person's perspectives and priorities can change. And like I've said, people's live are not determined by " absolutes" either. People actually can and do make up their own mind and choices without needing approval or understanding of the masses.


Heck, sometimes people even make choices or decisions that shock and surprise people. The point is that whatever a person's reasons for doing something others might not expect or understand, in life a whole lot of things (even surprising or unexpected) are obviously possible.

Lastly, teams with assets, expirings, and actual cap flexibility can pivot rather quickly if the situation arises wherein a KD has interest. So they might be tanking currently. But obviously, Washington is in position to pivot rather quickly.


All they'd need is to utilize their assets, expirings and picks ( they have 28) to trade for some key vets in addition to the ones they already have with Middleton and Smart, and they could put some key pieces around KD rather quickly! And being I'm the East, they'd have a much easier path into the playoffs.

It's a ridiculous position because you could argue anything for the sake of arguing. It doesn't make it any more credible. One could just as easily argue he would retire from the NBA and then join the Tasmania Jackjumpers in Australia because he'll have a great opportunity to win a championship and Tasmania is beautiful. Do they get paid a fraction of NBA salaries? Yes but "he's already made generational money" Are they so far below NBA talent? Yes but "maybe he doesn't want to play hard anymore at his age." Are the NBL on the other side of the world? Yes but "maybe he wants to get away from it all".

Reaching for reasons a ridiculous premise could in theory happen is just that, reaching.
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Post#1606 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Mar 2, 2025 10:56 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Warriors lost to Sixers last night. Butler out with back spasms. We probably avoided another killer contract with an injury prone guy who missed the playoffs last year and now has back spasms.

Hopefully we don't trade KD for him in a S&T giving him a huge contract.

Injuries weren't even in my mind when we were looking at trading for him. It's only back spasms but thank goodness with didn't commit $100m+ to another 35 year old.
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Post#1607 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Mar 2, 2025 11:01 pm

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Devin Booker on Chris Haynes report that Mike Budenholzer told him to "tone done" his voice and that Booker was shocked by it:

"Nah, Coach said it, too. We've had multiple conversations. I can't seem to find one that sticks out more than the others. It's a player/coach relationship. When things start going bad, everybody tries to point fingers to find out what's wrong. People are going to come up with stuff. The relationship is great. We're on the same page, we're trying to win and that's that."


Good news IMO and it’s pretty similar to what Budenholzer said when he was asked about it a couple days ago.


Under no circumstances should this team fire Bud. Not his fault that the front office doesn't understand the modern NBA.

You do have to wonder though why we're so bad defensively. Is it as simple as Nurk furiously pouring buckets out of the sinking ship that is our defense and since he couldn't stay on the floor this season, our defense just fell off the cliff?

We've seen Bud coach elite defense so he knows what it looks like but is it just our roster and the lack of an anchor big killing any structure of defense?
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Post#1608 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Mar 2, 2025 11:41 pm

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Post#1609 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:03 am

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I have no idea why Durant would EVER consider going to the Wiz....they have like 10 wins. So what if he's from there? He'll go to a team that he can win with. He turned them down back when he was like in his 20s and they had a healthy Beal and Wall-both coming off ASG berths and the Wiz had just made the 2nd round of the playoffs.....

Now he decides to go to the worse (by 5 games) team in the league?


I don't get why this is so difficult for some to objectively consider. I mean I gave multiple reasons why he might consider such a possibility now. Obviously a person's values and priorities can change with time and age!

And clearly, as people get older and closer to finishing their careers, their views/ perspectives of things that they maybe wouldn't have considered at 20 yrs old could be vastly different 27 yrs later in life. Again, he's already reached the pinnacle of achievements both in winning championships and in his personal achievements as a top 5 all time player in NBA history.

People keep trying to argue that he somehow must keep pursuing more achievements and accolades, but based on what exactly? Because they think he should? What if he's fulfilled in that aspect of his career? What if he just wants to play basketball and be happy in his last few remaining years? Would he be wrong for wanting that?

Have I missed somewhere that he's said he intends to only play for a contender? Have I missed somewhere where he's gone on record saying that he fully intends to chase more championships? Does anyone here know him personally or speaks for him or can read his mind?

In life, we all know that over time (and with age) a person's perspectives and priorities can change. And like I've said, people's live are not determined by " absolutes" either. People actually can and do make up their own mind and choices without needing approval or understanding of the masses.


Heck, sometimes people even make choices or decisions that shock and surprise people. The point is that whatever a person's reasons for doing something others might not expect or understand, in life a whole lot of things (even surprising or unexpected) are obviously possible.

Lastly, teams with assets, expirings, and actual cap flexibility can pivot rather quickly if the situation arises wherein a KD has interest. So they might be tanking currently. But obviously, Washington is in position to pivot rather quickly.


All they'd need is to utilize their assets, expirings and picks ( they have 28) to trade for some key vets in addition to the ones they already have with Middleton and Smart, and they could put some key pieces around KD rather quickly! And being I'm the East, they'd have a much easier path into the playoffs.


It's a ridiculous position because you could argue anything for the sake of arguing. It doesn't make it any more credible. One could just as easily argue he would retire from the NBA and then join the Tasmania Jackjumpers in Australia because he'll have a great opportunity to win a championship and Tasmania is beautiful. Do they get paid a fraction of NBA salaries? Yes but "he's already made generational money" Are they so far below NBA talent? Yes but "maybe he doesn't want to play hard anymore at his age." Are the NBL on the other side of the world? Yes but "maybe he wants to get away from it all".

Reaching for reasons a ridiculous premise could in theory happen is just that, reaching.


Lol! This is exactly the same thing you're doing man! Arguing from a position of your personal, opinion just the same as what you're accusing me of. And I can just as easily find your perspective to be ridiculous in how incredibly narrow minded your being lacking any legitimate semblance of objectivity. Especially considering the multitude of reasons I've shared making such a consideration absolutely plausible.

There's nothing that I've proposed that you could really refute or invalidate beyond just your subjective opinion on the premise. And the same could be said for you that your just arguing for the sake of arguing absent any evidence to my position. Show me some proof? any proof anywhere that KD has said even in comments what his plans are in any capacity towards actually substantiating your position legitimately?

Show me any example of him speaking to his top priorities as being competing for a championship on a contending team?? and he wouldn't entertain any other possibilities. Because again, he clearly isn't doing much winning or contending here over the last few seasons, didn't do that in Brooklyn much either, Yet he hasn't asked out of Phoenix or to be traded to a legitimate top tier contender now has he?

Perhaps you're just talking from personal opinions of what you believe he show prioritize. But neither you nor I speak for him or the slightest idea what he'd actually prefer to do in his last few years of professional basketball.


And to take such a close minded position on a theoretical premise as you're choosing to do given that there's no evidence of either sides legitimacy beyond spirited speculation is borderline ridiculous.

So we can argue our positions to infinity if you want to keep going. It doesn't change anything really. Unless you have actual evidence to the contrary for my perspective, you're still just going to be arguing from a position of personal opinion and not any legitimacy any more than the claims that you're insinuating about my perspective. :dontknow:
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Post#1610 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:12 am

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Good news IMO and it’s pretty similar to what Budenholzer said when he was asked about it a couple days ago.


Under no circumstances should this team fire Bud. Not his fault that the front office doesn't understand the modern NBA.


You do have to wonder though why we're so bad defensively. Is it as simple as Nurk furiously pouring buckets out of the sinking ship that is our defense and since he couldn't stay on the floor this season, our defense just fell off the cliff?

We've seen Bud coach elite defense so he knows what it looks like but is it just our roster and the lack of an anchor big killing any structure of defense?


You think it might actually have something to do with the fact that our roster is filled with older, unathletic, physically and mentally soft finesse oriented players that are trying to compete against a league now filled with younger, faster, stronger, more athletic, more physical, hungry players with something to prove and an actual sense of urgency? Our star players are older and more injury prone than their opposition.

Also their again a finesse oriented jump shooting team that rather not get physical and muck things up when teams come at them. They have very little fight or sense of urgency. This has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Our horrific defense is just the result of these factors.
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Post#1611 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:20 am

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Under no circumstances should this team fire Bud. Not his fault that the front office doesn't understand the modern NBA.


You do have to wonder though why we're so bad defensively. Is it as simple as Nurk furiously pouring buckets out of the sinking ship that is our defense and since he couldn't stay on the floor this season, our defense just fell off the cliff?

We've seen Bud coach elite defense so he knows what it looks like but is it just our roster and the lack of an anchor big killing any structure of defense?


You think it might actually have something to do with the fact that our roster is filled with older, unathletic, physically and mentally soft finesse oriented players that are trying to compete against a league now filled with younger, faster, stronger, more athletic, more physical, hungry players with something to prove and an actual sense of urgency? Our star players are older and more injury prone than their opposition.

Also their again a finesse oriented jump shooting team that rather not get physical and muck things up when teams come at them. They have very little fight or sense of urgency. This has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Our horrific defense is just the result of these factors.

We have a better defensive roster than last season yet we've plunged 13th in DRTG to 27th. Either it's defensive schemes or it's one big missing Nurk
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Post#1612 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:35 am

sunsbg wrote:Blazers lead Cavs by 12 at the half on the road. Camara leading scorer + 5 steals. CP3 and Ayton's teams may finish with better record than KD and Booker's team lol.


Just a repeating example of our owner's compulsive propensity for self destruction. Imagine if he even had the slightest modicum of self control over his impulses?
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Post#1614 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:42 am

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You do have to wonder though why we're so bad defensively. Is it as simple as Nurk furiously pouring buckets out of the sinking ship that is our defense and since he couldn't stay on the floor this season, our defense just fell off the cliff?

We've seen Bud coach elite defense so he knows what it looks like but is it just our roster and the lack of an anchor big killing any structure of defense?


You think it might actually have something to do with the fact that our roster is filled with older, unathletic, physically and mentally soft finesse oriented players that are trying to compete against a league now filled with younger, faster, stronger, more athletic, more physical, hungry players with something to prove and an actual sense of urgency? Our star players are older and more injury prone than their opposition.

Also their again a finesse oriented jump shooting team that rather not get physical and muck things up when teams come at them. They have very little fight or sense of urgency. This has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Our horrific defense is just the result of these factors.


We have a better defensive roster than last season yet we've plunged 13th in DRTG to 27th. Either it's defensive schemes or it's one big missing Nurk


Sure! Good points! But if our big 3 ( leaders) don't buy in, then perhaps the players aren't going to either? And if the coach isn't setting the standard for what he expects defensively and neither our big 3 or the coach are holding the players accountable, then they could be very solid defensively, but just not care enough?

Defense is a large portion effort/ willingness. And them a bit of the rest. I just don't believe that our players are buying in because they don't see our team leaders exemplifying these traits consistently.

That and we are a physically and mentally passive/ fragile team. Hence why we don't really dominate teams despite our talent and also why we fold so quickly when faced with physicality and pressure.
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Post#1615 » by thamadkant » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:44 am

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We traded this guy for a guy (Nurkic) that we ended up having to attach a 1st rd pick to get rid of.



Suns FO are pathetic.

With the news that they plan to retool around Booker. Who is the worst main option guy out west...

And trading Ayton, Camara for Nurkic and Allen...

Is just suicide fuel for many.... but alas, I suggest those who are frustrated to simply downgrade your fan hood to casual level and it's not so bad.

I haven't watched a Suns game in 2 months and saving myself time and stress. Shaking my head for 10 seconds looking up scores is much easier to deal with.

Watch other teams though. Including Blazers, who are fun to watch when their wings are jacking 10 bricks a game each.
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Post#1616 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:58 am

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I don't get why this is so difficult for some to objectively consider. I mean I gave multiple reasons why he might consider such a possibility now. Obviously a person's values and priorities can change with time and age!

And clearly, as people get older and closer to finishing their careers, their views/ perspectives of things that they maybe wouldn't have considered at 20 yrs old could be vastly different 27 yrs later in life. Again, he's already reached the pinnacle of achievements both in winning championships and in his personal achievements as a top 5 all time player in NBA history.

People keep trying to argue that he somehow must keep pursuing more achievements and accolades, but based on what exactly? Because they think he should? What if he's fulfilled in that aspect of his career? What if he just wants to play basketball and be happy in his last few remaining years? Would he be wrong for wanting that?

Have I missed somewhere that he's said he intends to only play for a contender? Have I missed somewhere where he's gone on record saying that he fully intends to chase more championships? Does anyone here know him personally or speaks for him or can read his mind?

In life, we all know that over time (and with age) a person's perspectives and priorities can change. And like I've said, people's live are not determined by " absolutes" either. People actually can and do make up their own mind and choices without needing approval or understanding of the masses.


Heck, sometimes people even make choices or decisions that shock and surprise people. The point is that whatever a person's reasons for doing something others might not expect or understand, in life a whole lot of things (even surprising or unexpected) are obviously possible.

Lastly, teams with assets, expirings, and actual cap flexibility can pivot rather quickly if the situation arises wherein a KD has interest. So they might be tanking currently. But obviously, Washington is in position to pivot rather quickly.


All they'd need is to utilize their assets, expirings and picks ( they have 28) to trade for some key vets in addition to the ones they already have with Middleton and Smart, and they could put some key pieces around KD rather quickly! And being I'm the East, they'd have a much easier path into the playoffs.


It's a ridiculous position because you could argue anything for the sake of arguing. It doesn't make it any more credible. One could just as easily argue he would retire from the NBA and then join the Tasmania Jackjumpers in Australia because he'll have a great opportunity to win a championship and Tasmania is beautiful. Do they get paid a fraction of NBA salaries? Yes but "he's already made generational money" Are they so far below NBA talent? Yes but "maybe he doesn't want to play hard anymore at his age." Are the NBL on the other side of the world? Yes but "maybe he wants to get away from it all".

Reaching for reasons a ridiculous premise could in theory happen is just that, reaching.


Lol! This is exactly the same thing you're doing man! Arguing from a point of opinion just the same. And I can just as easily find your perspective to be ridiculous in how incredibly narrow minded your being lacking any legitimate semblance of objectivity.

There's nothing that I've proposed that you could really refute or invalidate. The same could be said for you that your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Show me some proof? any proof anywhere that KD has said even in comments what his plans are in any capacity towards actually substantiating your position legitimately?

Show me any example of him speaking to his top priorities as being competing for a championship on a contending team?? Because again, he clearly isn't doing that here over the last few seasons, didn't do that in Brooklyn either, and hasn't asked out or to be traded to a legitimate top tier contender!

Perhaps you're just talking from personal opinions of what you believe he show prioritize. But neither you nor I speak for him or the slightest idea what he'd actually prefer to do in his last few years of professional basketball.


And to take such a close minded position on a theoretical premise as you're choosing to do given that there's no evidence of either sides legitimacy beyond spirited speculation is borderline ridiculous.

So we can argue our positions to infinity if you want to keep going. It doesn't change anything really. Unless you have actual evidence to the contrary for my perspective, you're still just going to be arguing from a position of personal opinion and not any legitimacy any more than the claims that you're insinuating about my perspective. :dontknow:

Tell me one things he's done in his career that shows he's willing to just pick up and go to the worst team in the league? Even the not very good Brooklyn team he went to was a 42-40 playoff team. After OKC he went to play for, and was rightfully criticised, the 73 win Warriors. I also didn't argue his top priority is only going to teams that can win a title, I said he would very likely prioritise going to a team where he could win games. Washington won 15 games last season, 11 games this season and is likely on track for another sub-20 win season, they don't have the foundation to support winning games. One of the reasons they a historically not a good team is because they don't attract free agents and unless they have prime Lebron, Wade and Bosh going there, they aren't prepared to just flip a switch, pivot and become a deep playoff contender.

KD has shown nothing during his career to suggest he would entertain going to the worst team in the league while he's still an elite player. He's not going to Washington
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Post#1617 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:59 am

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We traded this guy for a guy (Nurkic) that we ended up having to attach a 1st rd pick to get rid of.

That was my only issue with the Nurk/DA trade. We didn't need to throw in Camara
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Post#1619 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 1:36 am

Portland almost beat Cleveland. Went to OT and they lost. Had the won and we lost tonight, we would have been tied in the standings and they would have had the tiebreaker (not that it would come into play for anything except maybe Houston's lottery pick).
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