'Real Changes' Coming To Suns Roster, Likely Starting With Kevin Durant

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Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Mon Mar 3, 2025 1:02 am

There will be "real changes" coming to the Phoenix Suns roster this summer starting with Kevin Durant, according to Shams Charania of ESPN.


"League sources believe that there will be real changes in Phoenix coming to the Suns. From a roster standpoint, that likely starts with Kevin Durant," said Charania.


Durant was said to be "blindsided" to be put in trade conversations at this year's deadline.


"This offseason...what it would look like is that the Suns and Durant would work together on any potential trade to a contender in a trade scenario.


"And I would expect 4-6 contending teams with some serious involvement in Durant," added Charania.


Durant is extension-eligible this offseason.


Brian Windhorst added last month that all parties are "crystal clear" on Durant getting moved this summer. 

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Post#2 » by Future Coach » Mon Mar 3, 2025 1:36 am

Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.
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Post#3 » by alienpick » Mon Mar 3, 2025 2:23 am

Future Coach wrote:Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.


PHX isnt going to trade Durant to Denver and make a powerhouse like that in their conference. Jokic is better off without Durant too. Durant is selfish.
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Future Coach wrote:Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.

HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.
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Post#5 » by nguyen925 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:26 am

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Future Coach wrote:Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.

HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.


I would have made that trade back a few years ago but not now (from Houston). Durants still a star player but he's not a young one anymore.
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Post#6 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Mar 3, 2025 3:27 am

ontnut wrote:
Future Coach wrote:Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.

HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.

Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.
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Post#7 » by Future Coach » Mon Mar 3, 2025 7:35 am

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ontnut wrote:
Future Coach wrote:Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.

HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.

Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.


Agreed. Additionally, while KD doesn't have a no-trade clause, he will have some say in where he goes. KD will agree to join Jokic and Murray in Denver. It makes sense for Denver to consolidate their talent, and KD would be a great, if not ideal, fit. Phoenix gets quality players to stay competitive in the west until Beal's contract is done, at which point they can truly try to get better around Booker and compete for a championship, and by then Denver with KD will likely be winding down a bit.
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Post#8 » by MartyConlonJr » Mon Mar 3, 2025 8:06 am

Not saying Miami Heat should, but they could offer something like:
- Miami 2025 pick if they miss the playoffs (would have to draft for Phoenix then trade). Could be as high as 10th pick.
- Warriors 2025 pick (top 10 protected, maybe anywhere from 11-17)
- Jaime Jaquez Jr
- Nikola Jovic
- Andrew Wiggins
- Duncan Robinson (to make salaries work), he is only guaranteed part of his salary if waived.

Miami could short term contend with:
C - Kel'el Ware / Kevin Love
PF - Bam Adebayo / Kyle Anderson
SF - Kevin Durant / Haywood Highsmith
SG - Tyler Herro / Alec Burks
PG - Davion Mitchell / Terry Rozier

While Phoenix, while probably not springboarding themselves, could get younger and hope for something like:

C - Derik Queen / Nick Richards
PF - Nikola Jovic / ?
SF - Devin Booker / Andrew Wiggins
SG - Bradley Beal / Jaime Jaquez Jr
PG - Jeremiah Fears / Grayson Allen

Actually I have no idea whether KD can be moved like that due to 2nd apron etc.
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Post#9 » by Vegeta10176 » Mon Mar 3, 2025 12:21 pm

Future Coach wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
ontnut wrote:HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.

Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.


Agreed. Additionally, while KD doesn't have a no-trade clause, he will have some say in where he goes. KD will agree to join Jokic and Murray in Denver. It makes sense for Denver to consolidate their talent, and KD would be a great, if not ideal, fit. Phoenix gets quality players to stay competitive in the west until Beal's contract is done, at which point they can truly try to get better around Booker and compete for a championship, and by then Denver with KD will likely be winding down a bit.


So KD joins another team that already won without him
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Post#10 » by ontnut » Mon Mar 3, 2025 5:28 pm

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ontnut wrote:
Future Coach wrote:Seems foolish to trade Durant, but if they're not trading Booker, then Durant is the only player of legit value that can be moved. I imagine they would like to trade him to the Eastern Conference, but no teams really make sense in the East at this point. I think the team that could make the most sense is Denver. Adding KD to Jokic and Murray is the makings of a great team. Porter Jr and/or Gordon (and/or others + picks) will do decently in Phoenix. I think the only thing that stops Denver from pursuing a trade for KD in the summer is if they win the championship this season. My bet is that Denver is more likely to win the championship next season though.

HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.

Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.

Is IND really that forward looking though? They already traded for Siakam who's 31 in a month. Turner's about to be 29. Their championship window might not be as open as you think - it really might be as long as the rest of Durant's prime (a couple seasons). They NEED to trade for a #1 option, because they don't have one and aren't going to draft one or sign one. Durant can be that guy.

HOU won't be giving up the farm, they give up one of their young guys (Green), who's an inefficient scorer, but an interesting enough prospect for PHX. They have a declining FVV running point and Books/Adams at the tail end of their careers. Sure, maybe they soft reset the team once FVV is gone, but I'm not sure a Whitmore/Green/Thompson/Eason/Sengun team is winning a championship, and they're going to have to (near) max all 3 of Green/Thompson/Sengun, leaving them with not that much cap space. Reed is already riding the bench not getting minutes. They're really good young prospects in some cases, but none are a #1 option, none are leading their team to a chip. Given they all have to be paid at some point, their potential future ceiling isn't really that high without a top tier efficient scorer.

OKC has a MVP + an allstar in Williams, and a borderline all star in Holmgren, so they don't really have that need, no. But HOU? Sengun I think was a pity/injury vote AS because HOU needed someone representing at the ASG. I can't see Green making one, and Thompson, maybe borderline AS if he can get a jumper. If the price is Green, Brooks, Sheppard and picks, I'd really think hard about that one if I'm HOU. They're also young enough that they can still pivot and build around Sengun, Thompson, Eason and whatever else they don't trade, once Durant is gone.

Unless you have a generational talent, the window to win a chip is so small, I think it's worth the risk to swing for the fences for a couple of years.
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Post#11 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Mar 3, 2025 7:17 pm

Future Coach wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
ontnut wrote:HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.

Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.


Agreed. Additionally, while KD doesn't have a no-trade clause, he will have some say in where he goes. KD will agree to join Jokic and Murray in Denver. It makes sense for Denver to consolidate their talent, and KD would be a great, if not ideal, fit. Phoenix gets quality players to stay competitive in the west until Beal's contract is done, at which point they can truly try to get better around Booker and compete for a championship, and by then Denver with KD will likely be winding down a bit.

Vegeta10176 wrote:So KD joins another team that already won without him

How about KD to MIN for Randle + filler? They've never won!
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Post#12 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Mar 3, 2025 7:40 pm

ontnut wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
ontnut wrote:HOU for Green, Brooks, Sheppard + picks?
IND for some combination of Turner, Mathurin, Nembhard, Nesmith and picks?
Would ORL give up Wagner? Prob not I'm guessing.

It's hilarious because DAL could've probably traded for him if they only got back a reasonable package for Doncic...

The Spurs would be crazy, KD + Wmby would destroy. But I doubt they give up their assets for him at this point.

Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.

Is IND really that forward looking though? They already traded for Siakam who's 31 in a month. Turner's about to be 29. Their championship window might not be as open as you think - it really might be as long as the rest of Durant's prime (a couple seasons). They NEED to trade for a #1 option, because they don't have one and aren't going to draft one or sign one. Durant can be that guy.

HOU won't be giving up the farm, they give up one of their young guys (Green), who's an inefficient scorer, but an interesting enough prospect for PHX. They have a declining FVV running point and Books/Adams at the tail end of their careers. Sure, maybe they soft reset the team once FVV is gone, but I'm not sure a Whitmore/Green/Thompson/Eason/Sengun team is winning a championship, and they're going to have to (near) max all 3 of Green/Thompson/Sengun, leaving them with not that much cap space. Reed is already riding the bench not getting minutes. They're really good young prospects in some cases, but none are a #1 option, none are leading their team to a chip. Given they all have to be paid at some point, their potential future ceiling isn't really that high without a top tier efficient scorer.

OKC has a MVP + an allstar in Williams, and a borderline all star in Holmgren, so they don't really have that need, no. But HOU? Sengun I think was a pity/injury vote AS because HOU needed someone representing at the ASG. I can't see Green making one, and Thompson, maybe borderline AS if he can get a jumper. If the price is Green, Brooks, Sheppard and picks, I'd really think hard about that one if I'm HOU. They're also young enough that they can still pivot and build around Sengun, Thompson, Eason and whatever else they don't trade, once Durant is gone.

Unless you have a generational talent, the window to win a chip is so small, I think it's worth the risk to swing for the fences for a couple of years.

Yeah, I just don't think Durant is that guy anymore. KD is obviously a massively better player than Turner or FVV, but I don't think trading one of these guys plus filler moves the needle. Turner is 6th in the NBA in BLK while shooting over 40% from 3pt; He is their defensive anchor while also allowing them to play 5 out. Removing him disrupts their schemes on both ends of the floor. I would be more intrigued by a Siakam/KD swap. KD is similar but better and their salaries are almost identical.

FVV is massively overpaid for what he brings, but removing him does leave a hole. More importantly, I don't think HOU is ready to win. KD will likely be retired before they are legit contenders.
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Pickled Prunes wrote:Why would any forward looking team trade for Durant. He's a win now player. IND would be foolish to trade Turner/filler/picks for a guy that will only be around for a couple of seasons. SAS, sure why not; DEN, absolutely... but no young team like HOU, OKC or IND should give up the farm to go get him.

Is IND really that forward looking though? They already traded for Siakam who's 31 in a month. Turner's about to be 29. Their championship window might not be as open as you think - it really might be as long as the rest of Durant's prime (a couple seasons). They NEED to trade for a #1 option, because they don't have one and aren't going to draft one or sign one. Durant can be that guy.

HOU won't be giving up the farm, they give up one of their young guys (Green), who's an inefficient scorer, but an interesting enough prospect for PHX. They have a declining FVV running point and Books/Adams at the tail end of their careers. Sure, maybe they soft reset the team once FVV is gone, but I'm not sure a Whitmore/Green/Thompson/Eason/Sengun team is winning a championship, and they're going to have to (near) max all 3 of Green/Thompson/Sengun, leaving them with not that much cap space. Reed is already riding the bench not getting minutes. They're really good young prospects in some cases, but none are a #1 option, none are leading their team to a chip. Given they all have to be paid at some point, their potential future ceiling isn't really that high without a top tier efficient scorer.

OKC has a MVP + an allstar in Williams, and a borderline all star in Holmgren, so they don't really have that need, no. But HOU? Sengun I think was a pity/injury vote AS because HOU needed someone representing at the ASG. I can't see Green making one, and Thompson, maybe borderline AS if he can get a jumper. If the price is Green, Brooks, Sheppard and picks, I'd really think hard about that one if I'm HOU. They're also young enough that they can still pivot and build around Sengun, Thompson, Eason and whatever else they don't trade, once Durant is gone.

Unless you have a generational talent, the window to win a chip is so small, I think it's worth the risk to swing for the fences for a couple of years.

Yeah, I just don't think Durant is that guy anymore. KD is obviously a massively better player than Turner or FVV, but I don't think trading one of these guys plus filler moves the needle. Turner is 6th in the NBA in BLK while shooting over 40% from 3pt; He is their defensive anchor while also allowing them to play 5 out. Removing him disrupts their schemes on both ends of the floor. I would be more intrigued by a Siakam/KD swap. KD is similar but better and their salaries are almost identical.

FVV is massively overpaid for what he brings, but removing him does leave a hole. More importantly, I don't think HOU is ready to win. KD will likely be retired before they are legit contenders.

Siakam for KD could be interesting yeah, but I'd assume IND would want Hali/Siakam/Durant and Turner if they can keep him. He's a FA now, not sure what's gonna happen with that. That's why I flated the idea, could be a S&T situation for Durant if they find Turner too expensive?
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ontnut wrote:
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ontnut wrote:Is IND really that forward looking though? They already traded for Siakam who's 31 in a month. Turner's about to be 29. Their championship window might not be as open as you think - it really might be as long as the rest of Durant's prime (a couple seasons). They NEED to trade for a #1 option, because they don't have one and aren't going to draft one or sign one. Durant can be that guy.

HOU won't be giving up the farm, they give up one of their young guys (Green), who's an inefficient scorer, but an interesting enough prospect for PHX. They have a declining FVV running point and Books/Adams at the tail end of their careers. Sure, maybe they soft reset the team once FVV is gone, but I'm not sure a Whitmore/Green/Thompson/Eason/Sengun team is winning a championship, and they're going to have to (near) max all 3 of Green/Thompson/Sengun, leaving them with not that much cap space. Reed is already riding the bench not getting minutes. They're really good young prospects in some cases, but none are a #1 option, none are leading their team to a chip. Given they all have to be paid at some point, their potential future ceiling isn't really that high without a top tier efficient scorer.

OKC has a MVP + an allstar in Williams, and a borderline all star in Holmgren, so they don't really have that need, no. But HOU? Sengun I think was a pity/injury vote AS because HOU needed someone representing at the ASG. I can't see Green making one, and Thompson, maybe borderline AS if he can get a jumper. If the price is Green, Brooks, Sheppard and picks, I'd really think hard about that one if I'm HOU. They're also young enough that they can still pivot and build around Sengun, Thompson, Eason and whatever else they don't trade, once Durant is gone.

Unless you have a generational talent, the window to win a chip is so small, I think it's worth the risk to swing for the fences for a couple of years.

Yeah, I just don't think Durant is that guy anymore. KD is obviously a massively better player than Turner or FVV, but I don't think trading one of these guys plus filler moves the needle. Turner is 6th in the NBA in BLK while shooting over 40% from 3pt; He is their defensive anchor while also allowing them to play 5 out. Removing him disrupts their schemes on both ends of the floor. I would be more intrigued by a Siakam/KD swap. KD is similar but better and their salaries are almost identical.

FVV is massively overpaid for what he brings, but removing him does leave a hole. More importantly, I don't think HOU is ready to win. KD will likely be retired before they are legit contenders.

Siakam for KD could be interesting yeah, but I'd assume IND would want Hali/Siakam/Durant and Turner if they can keep him. He's a FA now, not sure what's gonna happen with that. That's why I flated the idea, could be a S&T situation for Durant if they find Turner too expensive?

IND would be better off hanging on to Turner. I also find it unlikely that Turner would agree to a S&T to that chaos in PHX. If he leaves as a FA and can choose any destination, what are the chances he chooses PHX? I like a Randle for KD S&T. Randle's FA options will be more limited and MIN with Ant/Gobert/Reid/KD will be better than IND if they lose Turner and filler. With new ownership, I think MIN will be more desperate to make a splash.

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