The 905, 'sauga world

[Tripod]

This FO has to get their picks back on track. We passed on a lot of guys who are killing it lately and some on playoff teams.

Terrence Shannon Jr. is getting run with the Wolves and just dropped 24 against the Lakers and practically carried their team after Edwards went out. Jaylen Clark has also been playing for them and he was a high level defender in college.

Quentin Post just had 18 for the Warriors and has been shooting it at 40% from three.

Yves Missi just had a double double and has shown high level defense when healthy. That was just the last draft.

Our best pick up has been Battle who they don't play now. The key is finding guys who have developed in college and are ready or just guys who have one-two NBA level skills showing early on.

We need to stop rolling the dice on skinny developmental projects and get high floor guys this next draft.

Masai got 4 rotation quality players in an exceptionally weak draft.

insane if u think about it

plus chomche and jakobe have potential to be the best player in the draft

Woah....might want to slow down on that.

[mihaic]

Make sense, last year 905 head coach was an analytics guy with no playing experience

Darko is a good developmental coach, but I have my doubts if make it to playoffs for crucial in game decisions

As the team gets better the coach implicitly will look better too.

Example: Philly team, Nurse looks like a horrible coach. He was great on our championship though. See?

We will only find out if Darko is good if we put him in that situation.

Ya look at the Spurs: for most of the season, generational player + all-time great coach, yet not even a play-in team

Their all time great coach has health issues, is old, and lost his wife recently iirc. He missed a lot of time with the team. Their team is very young too, and they also play in the much stronger Western conference and only got Fox recently.

But regardless: it's not like a great coach can transform a crappy team into a contender. There's only so much they can do as coaches.

[bluerap23]

Masai got 4 rotation quality players in an exceptionally weak draft.

insane if u think about it

plus chomche and jakobe have potential to be the best player in the draft

I think it's debatable that the players we have drafted are quality rotation players. Shead averages 6 points and 34% from three. Ajay Mitchell on a playoff team averaged 51/43/85. Isaiah Collier turned his season around led the NBA in assists in February. Both are bigger and younger than Shead.

Walter 7.5 points and 30% from three while Jaylen Wells starts on a contending team and shoots 38% from three and defends star players.

Our guys have moments but look flawed. Shead turns the ball over a lot and is a small guard, and Walter can't finish well at the rim and can't pass or shoot it well. He has many games where he is invisible.

Mogbo belongs in the G League. He is so bad that they have to play a wing sized player as a C. Filipowski is now at 51/38/60 and is seven feet. Quinten Post is even better for GSW and really helping them in the playoff hunt.

Not saying our guys won't pan out in a few years. But I think my point is we now have accelerated our timeline with Ingram and going forward we have to get guys who can really contribute to winning each time they get on court. Battle has been great but the other guys are theoretical rotation guys. Next year we need better shooters and defenders and not players who are years away.

It’s easy to cherry pick some stats for a handful of players. If you aren’t seeing rotation players in Shead, Mogbo and Walter I don’t know what to tell you. All 3 are positive defenders with offensive upside. Maybe you don’t watch the games?

[Dalek]

insane if u think about it

plus chomche and jakobe have potential to be the best player in the draft

I think it's debatable that the players we have drafted are quality rotation players. Shead averages 6 points and 34% from three. Ajay Mitchell on a playoff team averaged 51/43/85. Isaiah Collier turned his season around led the NBA in assists in February. Both are bigger and younger than Shead.

Walter 7.5 points and 30% from three while Jaylen Wells starts on a contending team and shoots 38% from three and defends star players.

Our guys have moments but look flawed. Shead turns the ball over a lot and is a small guard, and Walter can't finish well at the rim and can't pass or shoot it well. He has many games where he is invisible.

Mogbo belongs in the G League. He is so bad that they have to play a wing sized player as a C. Filipowski is now at 51/38/60 and is seven feet. Quinten Post is even better for GSW and really helping them in the playoff hunt.

Not saying our guys won't pan out in a few years. But I think my point is we now have accelerated our timeline with Ingram and going forward we have to get guys who can really contribute to winning each time they get on court. Battle has been great but the other guys are theoretical rotation guys. Next year we need better shooters and defenders and not players who are years away.

It’s easy to cherry pick some stats for a handful of players. If you aren’t seeing rotation players in Shead, Mogbo and Walter I don’t know what to tell you. All 3 are positive defenders with offensive upside. Maybe you don’t watch the games?

Walter -1 DBPM
Shead -1.4 DBPM
Mogbo 0.9 dBPM

I watch games but maybe you fixate on a few possessions where they make a few defensive plays. Toronto loses their games when these bench guys come in. They have had a lot of mins that other teams barely give rookies.

I also would like to point out that even if they end up positive defenders you still need to shoot the ball well in the NBA. You end up like Orlando if you can't outscore another bench.

Raps need contributing two way role players next season because any injuries to the key guys means these bench guys need to produce.

[Thaddy]

I think it's debatable that the players we have drafted are quality rotation players. Shead averages 6 points and 34% from three. Ajay Mitchell on a playoff team averaged 51/43/85. Isaiah Collier turned his season around led the NBA in assists in February. Both are bigger and younger than Shead.

Walter 7.5 points and 30% from three while Jaylen Wells starts on a contending team and shoots 38% from three and defends star players.

Our guys have moments but look flawed. Shead turns the ball over a lot and is a small guard, and Walter can't finish well at the rim and can't pass or shoot it well. He has many games where he is invisible.

Mogbo belongs in the G League. He is so bad that they have to play a wing sized player as a C. Filipowski is now at 51/38/60 and is seven feet. Quinten Post is even better for GSW and really helping them in the playoff hunt.

Not saying our guys won't pan out in a few years. But I think my point is we now have accelerated our timeline with Ingram and going forward we have to get guys who can really contribute to winning each time they get on court. Battle has been great but the other guys are theoretical rotation guys. Next year we need better shooters and defenders and not players who are years away.

It’s easy to cherry pick some stats for a handful of players. If you aren’t seeing rotation players in Shead, Mogbo and Walter I don’t know what to tell you. All 3 are positive defenders with offensive upside. Maybe you don’t watch the games?

Walter -1 DBPM
Shead -1.4 DBPM
Mogbo 0.9 dBPM

I watch games but maybe you fixate on a few possessions where they make a few defensive plays. Toronto loses their games when these bench guys come in. They have had a lot of mins that other teams barely give rookies.

I also would like to point out that even if they end up positive defenders you still need to shoot the ball well in the NBA. You end up like Orlando if you can't outscore another bench.

Raps need contributing two way role players next season because any injuries to the key guys means these bench guys need to produce.

I'm not a big believer in Mogbo his offense is too bad. He can't make anything from anywhere unless he dunks. If we can draft Wolf I'd lean towards him. Maluach and Wolf wouldn't be a bad haul. It would give us some interesting line ups.

Maluach
Wolf
Agbaji
Dick
Shead

A good mix of offense and defence, lots of potential too.

[PerkinsFor3]

Has there been any word on Chomche´s injury yet?

MCL tear

[Kevin Willis]

Has there been any word on Chomche´s injury yet?

MCL tear

He is getting ready for Summer League. That's positive.

[Tripod]

Battle playing tonight...with a mask on

[ill-Will03]

I think it's debatable that the players we have drafted are quality rotation players. Shead averages 6 points and 34% from three. Ajay Mitchell on a playoff team averaged 51/43/85. Isaiah Collier turned his season around led the NBA in assists in February. Both are bigger and younger than Shead.

Walter 7.5 points and 30% from three while Jaylen Wells starts on a contending team and shoots 38% from three and defends star players.

Our guys have moments but look flawed. Shead turns the ball over a lot and is a small guard, and Walter can't finish well at the rim and can't pass or shoot it well. He has many games where he is invisible.

Mogbo belongs in the G League. He is so bad that they have to play a wing sized player as a C. Filipowski is now at 51/38/60 and is seven feet. Quinten Post is even better for GSW and really helping them in the playoff hunt.

Not saying our guys won't pan out in a few years. But I think my point is we now have accelerated our timeline with Ingram and going forward we have to get guys who can really contribute to winning each time they get on court. Battle has been great but the other guys are theoretical rotation guys. Next year we need better shooters and defenders and not players who are years away.

It’s easy to cherry pick some stats for a handful of players. If you aren’t seeing rotation players in Shead, Mogbo and Walter I don’t know what to tell you. All 3 are positive defenders with offensive upside. Maybe you don’t watch the games?

Walter -1 DBPM
Shead -1.4 DBPM
Mogbo 0.9 dBPM

I watch games but maybe you fixate on a few possessions where they make a few defensive plays. Toronto loses their games when these bench guys come in. They have had a lot of mins that other teams barely give rookies.

I also would like to point out that even if they end up positive defenders you still need to shoot the ball well in the NBA. You end up like Orlando if you can't outscore another bench.

Raps need contributing two way role players next season because any injuries to the key guys means these bench guys need to produce.

I’m curious if you changed your opinion on our draft picks? I think our FO is back on track with the picks tbh. Picking up 3 quality players in a pretty weak draft is a home run imo. All 3 have upside as well.


I’m also including battle in there as well. And currently unsure about Mogbo.

[HangTime]

I think it's debatable that the players we have drafted are quality rotation players. Shead averages 6 points and 34% from three. Ajay Mitchell on a playoff team averaged 51/43/85. Isaiah Collier turned his season around led the NBA in assists in February. Both are bigger and younger than Shead.

Walter 7.5 points and 30% from three while Jaylen Wells starts on a contending team and shoots 38% from three and defends star players.

Our guys have moments but look flawed. Shead turns the ball over a lot and is a small guard, and Walter can't finish well at the rim and can't pass or shoot it well. He has many games where he is invisible.

Mogbo belongs in the G League. He is so bad that they have to play a wing sized player as a C. Filipowski is now at 51/38/60 and is seven feet. Quinten Post is even better for GSW and really helping them in the playoff hunt.

Not saying our guys won't pan out in a few years. But I think my point is we now have accelerated our timeline with Ingram and going forward we have to get guys who can really contribute to winning each time they get on court. Battle has been great but the other guys are theoretical rotation guys. Next year we need better shooters and defenders and not players who are years away.

It’s easy to cherry pick some stats for a handful of players. If you aren’t seeing rotation players in Shead, Mogbo and Walter I don’t know what to tell you. All 3 are positive defenders with offensive upside. Maybe you don’t watch the games?

Walter -1 DBPM
Shead -1.4 DBPM
Mogbo 0.9 dBPM

I watch games but maybe you fixate on a few possessions where they make a few defensive plays. Toronto loses their games when these bench guys come in. They have had a lot of mins that other teams barely give rookies.

I also would like to point out that even if they end up positive defenders you still need to shoot the ball well in the NBA. You end up like Orlando if you can't outscore another bench.

Raps need contributing two way role players next season because any injuries to the key guys means these bench guys need to produce.

Those "bad numbers" are with guys not playing optimally. We're trying to see what else they can do.

While other rookies are playing into more specific roles.

If we actually tried to play optimally this past year, we're probably 8th.

[Dalek]

It’s easy to cherry pick some stats for a handful of players. If you aren’t seeing rotation players in Shead, Mogbo and Walter I don’t know what to tell you. All 3 are positive defenders with offensive upside. Maybe you don’t watch the games?

Walter -1 DBPM
Shead -1.4 DBPM
Mogbo 0.9 dBPM

I watch games but maybe you fixate on a few possessions where they make a few defensive plays. Toronto loses their games when these bench guys come in. They have had a lot of mins that other teams barely give rookies.

I also would like to point out that even if they end up positive defenders you still need to shoot the ball well in the NBA. You end up like Orlando if you can't outscore another bench.

Raps need contributing two way role players next season because any injuries to the key guys means these bench guys need to produce.

Those "bad numbers" are with guys not playing optimally. We're trying to see what else they can do.

While other rookies are playing into more specific roles.

If we actually tried to play optimally this past year, we're probably 8th.

I am not a big hypothetical person but sure, you can say that especially if Ingram played. It was a really easy schedule for the last half too.

For me, role players who contribute don't have functional deficiencies. All these guys are undersized for their ideal roles.

Mogbo has zero bag and shooting so he realistically his ideal role is center and he is way too light and ineffective against size. I don't know how that changes next year.

Shead is 6 feet. He is on the short side. To have a good POA you should have some bulk, and wingspan at least like Pat Beverley. Also Shead is always going to be an inefficient scorer like FVV because of below average finishing skills that relate to his size/athleticism.

Walter has okay size and sporadic shooting skill, but I think he is severely underweight. Wings need to be 210 pounds at least otherwise the odds are you are going to get hurt or you give up top much on defense. He has a chance at least to being special.

What this bench needs is an old soul in a young body. Yes, they can get a Noa Essengue and reach for the stars, but I think they need someone they can trust to anchor the team like CMB or Sorber. They are big and strong and know how to defend and move the ball. Not sexy but fill the bench out. Labaron Philon with the second pick is ideal as I think he can offer better two way play at PG.

[FreshyFlames]

The overvaluing of our role players never gets old it's like you forget 29 other teams also have similar level prospects. None of these guys are spectacular and most won't be around in 3 to 5 years. The cycle will continue.