2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam Adebayo 4th quarter the last 5 games.

5.4 pts, 3.4 fga, 64.7% fg%, 50% 3p%, 1.25 ast/to ratio ( you want to be >2)

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Fans just can't be rational about Tyler.

Let's look at the last 30 games:



Tyler's shooting numbers are down, but that's just a slump, players go through these and even in a slump, his TS% is decent.

He's been doing a lot of playmaking in these 30 games, clearly adjusting to having the ball in his hands so much and being defended like a #1 option with all the blitzes and top defenders on him. Opposing teams are mainly trying to stop him with no real other main shot creator on the team.

6.4 assists on 2.8 TOs are good numbers for a PG (e.g., Luka for his career has been around 8.2 assists on 4 TOs). The increased volume and ratio is a very good sign. This is nothing like what he's been his whole career, this is impressive stuff. Nobody would have expected him to be capable of this level of playmaking.
The 4.8 FT attempts are also a good sign, he is drawing more fouls than ever and this has to keep improving.

What’s really the problem right now is his decision-making in the clutch, and that’s been truly awful and costing them games.
His assist ratio drops to ~14%, and his TS% goes down to ~40%, while his usage stays high around 30%. This tells me he’s trying to do too much and be the literal hero when he should be looking to make plays like he does earlier in games.

Yesterday’s game was a perfect example, he cooked the Knicks in the first half with how they were defending him, getting whatever he wanted in the paint. But the Knicks adjusted in the second half, and OG really gave him more trouble. He tried to score on the entire defense at times, taking difficult floaters/mid-range shots, and also some desperate ones in transition when nobody was even able to get the rebound.

He should’ve tried to exploit the fact that OG was on him and looked to get the ball to Bam more. KAT and Brunson were absolutely atrocious defensively and were getting exploited the whole game, but they went away from it late. Obviously, Ware was missing, but you have to find better ways than what Tyler did and generally does in the clutch.

There are only very few true #1 guys, even Brunson isn't really a #1 guy you build a championship team around, doubtful that Tyler will ever be one. He's still improving so all of that are good signs, just more important what the FO will do at this point, because I would not max him, this is when all his value will be gone. On his current contract he has good trade value, but on a max he won't.

He played a really solid first half then started pressing to get his scoring numbers up in the 2nd half and completely hijacked the offense. Think all of his assists came in the 1st half.

[greg4012]

Not necessarily, he had no issues coming at the deadline apparently

we are nowhere near being a contender and will never be a contender with 37YO KD flanked by Tyler Herro as his 2nd scorer and primary ballhandler. would be embarrassing as his last stop after all the talent he’s played with to rely on Tyler for a championship. It’s just not realistic.

Off the top Kyrie and AD makes much more sense with better relationships in place. There will also be other contenders that try to sneak in too.

Riley is committed to Tyler being our #1 option and no superstar will ever go for that.

I don't buy that, and I never will. Pat and the Heat are still trying to bump up Tyler's perceived value so they can flip him for a real star.

People just make things up.

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Fans just can't be rational about Tyler.

Let's look at the last 30 games:



Tyler's shooting numbers are down, but that's just a slump, players go through these and even in a slump, his TS% is decent.

Spoiler:

He's been doing a lot of playmaking in these 30 games, clearly adjusting to having the ball in his hands so much and being defended like a #1 option with all the blitzes and top defenders on him. Opposing teams are mainly trying to stop him with no real other main shot creator on the team.

6.4 assists on 2.8 TOs are good numbers for a PG (e.g., Luka for his career has been around 8.2 assists on 4 TOs). The increased volume and ratio is a very good sign. This is nothing like what he's been his whole career, this is impressive stuff. Nobody would have expected him to be capable of this level of playmaking.
The 4.8 FT attempts are also a good sign, he is drawing more fouls than ever and this has to keep improving.

What’s really the problem right now is his decision-making in the clutch, and that’s been truly awful and costing them games.
His assist ratio drops to ~14%, and his TS% goes down to ~40%, while his usage stays high around 30%. This tells me he’s trying to do too much and be the literal hero when he should be looking to make plays like he does earlier in games.

Yesterday’s game was a perfect example, he cooked the Knicks in the first half with how they were defending him, getting whatever he wanted in the paint. But the Knicks adjusted in the second half, and OG really gave him more trouble. He tried to score on the entire defense at times, taking difficult floaters/mid-range shots, and also some desperate ones in transition when nobody was even able to get the rebound.

He should’ve tried to exploit the fact that OG was on him and looked to get the ball to Bam more. KAT and Brunson were absolutely atrocious defensively and were getting exploited the whole game, but they went away from it late. Obviously, Ware was missing, but you have to find better ways than what Tyler did and generally does in the clutch.

There are only very few true #1 guys, even Brunson isn't really a #1 guy you build a championship team around, doubtful that Tyler will ever be one. He's still improving so all of that are good signs, just more important what the FO will do at this point, because I would not max him, this is when all his value will be gone. On his current contract he has good trade value, but on a max he won't.

Why do you assume that now is a slump, but before wasn't hot? Maybe it's not a slump. Maybe it's a reversion to the mean. Maybe he's moving closer to his career efficiency because he didn't become someone else.

[twix2500]

Total collapse by the Heat in the fourth quarter last night. Herro has gotten better handling press and traps but he struggle with the pressure last night. Bad reading the defense and not knowing where the weakside or how to get to his spots. The Knicks and most teams are pressing up top and clogging the paint on the Heat. When the players recognize the defense well its when they attack the weak side and get the ball to the corner 3. The fourth last night constantly trying to jack up a bad three to in the fourth.

[twix2500]

Heat did try to run a two man game with Herro and Bam in the fourth and OT but it was executed badly. Herro and Bam need to be practicing two man offense daily. This is where the need someone like Tim Hardaway and Bosh on the coaching staff.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat did try to run a two man game with Herro and Bam in the fourth and OT but it was executed badly. Herro and Bam need to be practicing two man offense daily. This is where the need someone like Tim Hardaway and Bosh on the coaching staff.

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The Heat may have, Herro did not.

[VaDe255]

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Fans just can't be rational about Tyler.

Let's look at the last 30 games:



Tyler's shooting numbers are down, but that's just a slump, players go through these and even in a slump, his TS% is decent.

Spoiler:

He's been doing a lot of playmaking in these 30 games, clearly adjusting to having the ball in his hands so much and being defended like a #1 option with all the blitzes and top defenders on him. Opposing teams are mainly trying to stop him with no real other main shot creator on the team.

6.4 assists on 2.8 TOs are good numbers for a PG (e.g., Luka for his career has been around 8.2 assists on 4 TOs). The increased volume and ratio is a very good sign. This is nothing like what he's been his whole career, this is impressive stuff. Nobody would have expected him to be capable of this level of playmaking.
The 4.8 FT attempts are also a good sign, he is drawing more fouls than ever and this has to keep improving.

What’s really the problem right now is his decision-making in the clutch, and that’s been truly awful and costing them games.
His assist ratio drops to ~14%, and his TS% goes down to ~40%, while his usage stays high around 30%. This tells me he’s trying to do too much and be the literal hero when he should be looking to make plays like he does earlier in games.

Yesterday’s game was a perfect example, he cooked the Knicks in the first half with how they were defending him, getting whatever he wanted in the paint. But the Knicks adjusted in the second half, and OG really gave him more trouble. He tried to score on the entire defense at times, taking difficult floaters/mid-range shots, and also some desperate ones in transition when nobody was even able to get the rebound.

He should’ve tried to exploit the fact that OG was on him and looked to get the ball to Bam more. KAT and Brunson were absolutely atrocious defensively and were getting exploited the whole game, but they went away from it late. Obviously, Ware was missing, but you have to find better ways than what Tyler did and generally does in the clutch.

There are only very few true #1 guys, even Brunson isn't really a #1 guy you build a championship team around, doubtful that Tyler will ever be one. He's still improving so all of that are good signs, just more important what the FO will do at this point, because I would not max him, this is when all his value will be gone. On his current contract he has good trade value, but on a max he won't.

Why do you assume that now is a slump, but before wasn't hot? Maybe it's not a slump. Maybe it's a reversion to the mean. Maybe he's moving closer to his career efficiency because he didn't become someone else.

His shot profile is way different. He's effective on his 2p shots at 56% during this period and drawing more FTs than ever, the only thing that is down is his 3p shot percentage, this is what I mean by slump. 34% is lower than it should be, even with some of the more difficult shots he takes, he's also been missing on open shots.

Overall context matters, it's way easier to score on C&S jumpers when the shot is created for you than to create the shots yourself and be the focal point of the defensive attention, so this adds to it as well. This is nothing like the first years of Tyler where he was barely asked to do that.
Even this 58% TS is good for a guy with this much defensive attention, you want it to be a bit higher at 60% TS, but still not really alarmingly bad. Only the late game execution and decision making is, some of it is on him some is on the team not able to exploit missmatches.

The general problem with small guards like Trae, Brunson, Tyler, Garland, Lillard etc. is they are really talented offensive players, but at the same time they aren't good defenders and that makes it difficult to be good defensively as a team.

The only guards right now I'd consider true #1s are SGA/Luka.
Tyler would literally have to become Curry for him to be considered a true #1, which of course is absolutely unlikely.

[Voltron914]

Total collapse by the Heat in the fourth quarter last night. Herro has gotten better handling press and traps but he struggle with the pressure last night. Bad reading the defense and not knowing where the weakside or how to get to his spots. The Knicks and most teams are pressing up top and clogging the paint on the Heat. When the players recognize the defense well its when they attack the weak side and get the ball to the corner 3. The fourth last night constantly trying to jack up a bad three to in the fourth.

I think spo was down with the Rozier ring because i thought Ware was sat down because of an injury but spo just got cute. They had no answer for the PNR with ware and brunson stayed away from the paint when he was in. Not sure whats going on. Mightve been Whiteside ptsd and didnt want another big getting a triple dub with blocks

[twix2500]

Total collapse by the Heat in the fourth quarter last night. Herro has gotten better handling press and traps but he struggle with the pressure last night. Bad reading the defense and not knowing where the weakside or how to get to his spots. The Knicks and most teams are pressing up top and clogging the paint on the Heat. When the players recognize the defense well its when they attack the weak side and get the ball to the corner 3. The fourth last night constantly trying to jack up a bad three to in the fourth.

I think spo was down with the Rozier ring because i thought Ware was sat down because of an injury but spo just got cute. They had no answer for the PNR with ware and brunson stayed away from the paint when he was in. Not sure whats going on. Mightve been Whiteside ptsd and didnt want another big getting a triple dub with blocks

The Heat had a 10 pt lead after Rozier sat. The collapse happened after that. Bad offensive execution. Bad foot work by Robinson on his open shots on his handoffs, and just collapse by everyone else offensively. Heat were up by 10, and went 2 for 10 and two miss free throws in the last 5 mins.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Total collapse by the Heat in the fourth quarter last night. Herro has gotten better handling press and traps but he struggle with the pressure last night. Bad reading the defense and not knowing where the weakside or how to get to his spots. The Knicks and most teams are pressing up top and clogging the paint on the Heat. When the players recognize the defense well its when they attack the weak side and get the ball to the corner 3. The fourth last night constantly trying to jack up a bad three to in the fourth.

I think spo was down with the Rozier ring because i thought Ware was sat down because of an injury but spo just got cute. They had no answer for the PNR with ware and brunson stayed away from the paint when he was in. Not sure whats going on. Mightve been Whiteside ptsd and didnt want another big getting a triple dub with blocks

The Heat had a 10 pt lead after Rozier sat. The collapse happened after that. Bad offensive execution. Bad foot work by Robinson on his open shots on his handoffs, and just collapse by everyone else offensively. Heat were up by 10, and went 2 for 10 and two miss free throws in the last 5 mins.

What change happened that killed the flow of the offense the final 6 minutes of the 4th and for OT?

[dshearn]

I don't buy the same old, same old talk about Herro


Clearly he has changed, you can see it on the court.

Traditionally you don't have alot of non-superstar level dudes 25 and under leading to alot of meaningful wins.

Dude has an enormous burden on his shoulders to be productive enough to win. Dude is learning to be a leader, on the fly.




We don't have a Tyler Herro problem, we have a 4th QTR problem because far to often...we ONLY have Tyler Herro.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't buy the same old, same old talk about Herro


Clearly he has changed, you can see it on the court.

Traditionally you don't have alot of non-superstar level dudes 25 and under leading to alot of meaningful wins.

Dude has an enormous burden on his shoulders to be productive enough to win. Dude is learning to be a leader, on the fly.




We don't have a Tyler Herro problem, we have a 4th QTR problem because far to often...we ONLY have Tyler Herro.

I think Tyler has improved as a player slightly, I also think majority of it is due to increased shot attempts.

As for the last comment, Stop it lol.

[unowen85]

Oh boy, a couple more bad games and we’re gonna start hearing about how we need to bring Herro off the bench.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Oh boy, a couple more bad games and we’re gonna start hearing about how we need to bring Herro off the bench.

VERY ironic coming from you

[dshearn]

I don't buy the same old, same old talk about Herro


Clearly he has changed, you can see it on the court.

Traditionally you don't have alot of non-superstar level dudes 25 and under leading to alot of meaningful wins.

Dude has an enormous burden on his shoulders to be productive enough to win. Dude is learning to be a leader, on the fly.




We don't have a Tyler Herro problem, we have a 4th QTR problem because far to often...we ONLY have Tyler Herro.

I think Tyler has improved as a player slightly, I also think majority of it is due to increased shot attempts.

As for the last comment, Stop it lol.

I dunno amigo...I could be wrong...happens all the time.....but what do you think the alternative is?

Bam has never shown a consistant desire to be force fed the ball at any point in his career, and outside of some random Duncan Heroics there is not much left.

Should we be feeding a rookie big to close out games? Highsmith? Rozier? None of that sounds like an obvious formula to consistent win.


Right now, Tyler ain't it, Bam ain't it, and Tyler and Bam together has not been consistent this season either. So unless we expect them to gel and fix the problem together...the solution is either not ready to step up, or not on the roster yet.

I could be way wrong, but that is how I see it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't buy the same old, same old talk about Herro


Clearly he has changed, you can see it on the court.

Traditionally you don't have alot of non-superstar level dudes 25 and under leading to alot of meaningful wins.

Dude has an enormous burden on his shoulders to be productive enough to win. Dude is learning to be a leader, on the fly.




We don't have a Tyler Herro problem, we have a 4th QTR problem because far to often...we ONLY have Tyler Herro.

I think Tyler has improved as a player slightly, I also think majority of it is due to increased shot attempts.

As for the last comment, Stop it lol.

I dunno amigo...I could be wrong...happens all the time.....but what do you think the alternative is?

Bam has never shown a consistant desire to be force fed the ball at any point in his career, and outside of some random Duncan Heroics there is not much left.

Should we be feeding a rookie big to close out games? Highsmith? Rozier? None of that sounds like an obvious formula to consistent win.


Right now, Tyler ain't it, Bam ain't it, and Tyler and Bam together has not been consistent this season either. So unless we expect them to gel and fix the problem together...the solution is either not ready to step up, or not on the roster yet.

I could be way wrong, but that is how I see it.

Bam says all the time he wants more of a scoring role, Spo prefers him as a hub, scoring is like Bams 4th priority in Spos eyes. Defend, rebound, screen for our guys who can’t score without a screen, playmake/score.

I read it as you were saying Herro is backpacking everyone in the 4th so I guess I read it wrong, he only averages .9 points more than Bam. There was no reason for him to come in and completely hijack the offense the last 6 minutes of the game. Hes always been a me first type of player and has never shown the ability to consistently impact winning. It’s only fitting his best season is coming while **** hits the fan everywhere else with the team

[twix2500]

Not sure what the Heat was trying to accomplish. Bad decision to try and iso OG from 20 feet out. If it was Towns than yea but not OG. Either Bam should be on the low block on OG or pulling OG out of the pain and hitting someone backdoor underneath matchup against Brunson in under the rim.

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Something was indeed wrong with Ware's knee. Chit we can't catch a break. We don't even have any backup bigs other then the fossil Kevin Love and Kyle Anderson.

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