2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[Special_Puppy]

He's healthy enough to play 43 minutes and scored 35 points against the Wolves in Game 7 last playoffs. They got outplayed in the 2nd half and allowed the biggest comeback in Game 7 history being up by 20 in the 3rd quarter while Jokic was -23 in the 2nd half. It is what it is, Joker is 0-5 in a playoffs series against any team who won atleast 50 games for his entire career. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of his biggest fan and I hope we're going to see him and his squad to overcome that obstacle this time around in 2025 playoffs.

Murray scored 18 PPG on 48% TS in the TWolves series

I'd rather you speak to his point about Jokic choking in Game 7 at home instead. Can you elaborate on that?

He had 34 points, 19 rebounded, 7 assists, and great advanced stats in the game he “choked”

[JustBuzzin]

Serious question how is Jokic leading the poll?

I think SGA is the clear leader. Best record, won without key players throughout the season. I mean what has exactly Jokic done to be ahead of him?

[Special_Puppy]

Serious question how is Jokic leading the poll?

I think SGA is the clear leader. Best record, won without key players throughout the season. I mean what has exactly Jokic done to be ahead of him?

-This board just likes Jokic better than SGA
-A decent of votes were cast before SGA took a commanding lead of the race
-People might have interpreted the question as who they support for MVP at the moment
-Jokic has had an all-time season (SGA has too) so it makes sense there are people who’d support him over SGA

[Exp0sed]

Really bad week for the Jokic MVP case

I’m pretty firmly SGA right now until the Nuggets prove they can actually compete with good teams.

I disagree. anyone who has watched either of the last three games Bucks,Pistons, Celtics could easily see what Jokic has to work with and the huge drop-off when he's off the court too. even vs. the C's last night Jokic was +0 in +-, the Nuggets played the C's evenly with him on the court and they double and triple teamed Jokic (similarly to the Lakers game) daring anyone else to make plays and beat them and it was very tough to watch

meanwhile, OKC won last night with SGA not even leading his team in +- and with J-Dub going off in an elite 40 pts game. Nuggets just don't have that. imagine that the Nuggets just had Derrick White or even just Luke Kornet at backup C instead of the corpse of DAJ...

the difference in depth between the Nuggets and the top tier teams is considerable. it's not just further down the rotation btw, the issue is that MPJ and Murray are very incosistent, MPJ had the worst game of his career vs. the Bucks and it cost them the game, Murray had one great half vs. the C's but a horrid first half and they were already down 20 before he even made a bucket

the top tier teams don't have that issue, they have better and more consistent seconday and tertiary options AND considerably better options off the bench

vs. the Bucks Jokic was a -5 in a 9 pts loss, rest of the starters? Braun -12, Murray -13,AG -14, MPJ -20

my point is, we already know the Nuggets aren't on par as a team with the top teams in the league this isn't news to anybody except a few homers (but thats what homerism is, it's not unique to Nuggets homers ). it was never about is the gap 8 games or 12 games, so I don't think a couple of tough losses vs. the best teams in the league on their home floor makes alot of difference

no1 expected to the Nuggets to end a gruelling road trip beating the C's in Boston, playing WB and Zeke NNaji..let's be real here

[Jurassic_Park]

For jokic to have any shot at winning mvp he has to beat okc twice when they play. The difference in W/L will be too much to overcome otherwise

Den upcoming games. Okc. Okc. Min lakers. Gs. Lakers. Tough sled coming up.

Jokic is still the best player in the world though.

[Special_Puppy]

For jokic to have any shot at winning mvp he has to beat okc twice when they play. The difference in W/L will be too much to overcome otherwise

Den upcoming games. Okc. Okc. Min lakers. Gs. Lakers. Tough sled coming up.

Jokic is still the best player in the world though.

Probably like a 5-10% chance that the Nuggets win both games? Not great

[falcolombardi]

Really bad week for the Jokic MVP case

I’m pretty firmly SGA right now until the Nuggets prove they can actually compete with good teams.

I disagree. anyone who has watched either of the last three games Bucks,Pistons, Celtics could easily see what Jokic has to work with and the huge drop-off when he's off the court too. even vs. the C's last night Jokic was +0 in +-, the Nuggets played the C's evenly with him on the court and they double and triple teamed Jokic (similarly to the Lakers game) daring anyone else to make plays and beat them and it was very tough to watch

meanwhile, OKC won last night with SGA not even leading his team in +- and with J-Dub going off in an elite 40 pts game. Nuggets just don't have that. imagine that the Nuggets just had Derrick White or even just Luke Kornet at backup C instead of the corpse of DAJ...

the difference in depth between the Nuggets and the top tier teams is considerable. it's not just further down the rotation btw, the issue is that MPJ and Murray are very incosistent, MPJ had the worst game of his career vs. the Bucks and it cost them the game, Murray had one great half vs. the C's but a horrid first half and they were already down 20 before he even made a bucket

the top tier teams don't have that issue, they have better and more consistent seconday and tertiary options AND considerably better options off the bench

vs. the Bucks Jokic was a -5 in a 9 pts loss, rest of the starters? Braun -12, Murray -13,AG -14, MPJ -20

my point is, we already know the Nuggets aren't on par as a team with the top teams in the league this isn't news to anybody except a few homers (but thats what homerism is, it's not unique to Nuggets homers ). it was never about is the gap 8 games or 12 games, so I don't think a couple of tough losses vs. the best teams in the league on their home floor makes alot of difference

no1 expected to the Nuggets to end a gruelling road trip beating the C's in Boston, playing WB and Zeke NNaji..let's be real here

Imagine if only jokic had a player able to go for 40 or 50 points once in a while

[guynumber45]

Only chance Jokic has to get back in the MVP race is beating OKC in the upcoming back-to-back against them. Jokic would also have to drop monster stat lines while Shai has two straight clunkers. The odds of this happening are close to 0, so I see Shai locking this trophy up.

[kazyv]

For jokic to have any shot at winning mvp he has to beat okc twice when they play. The difference in W/L will be too much to overcome otherwise

Den upcoming games. Okc. Okc. Min lakers. Gs. Lakers. Tough sled coming up.

Jokic is still the best player in the world though.

Probably like a 5-10% chance that the Nuggets win both games? Not great

yeah, I see them splitting this mini-series as the nuggets tend to step up on the second game, so some incorribles on the boards will continue coping about jokic's chances. but truth be told, his MVP odds are on life support. you don't get the MVP if the best case you can make is that the other guys on your team didn't step up enough.

[Woodsanity]

Nuggets just aren't very good. Won't be surprised if they lose both games.

[Special_Puppy]

Nuggets just aren't very good. Won't be surprised if they lose both games.

Probably a 50/50 chance they lose both games

[Special_Puppy]

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[scrabbarista]

I have SGA creeping a teeny bit closer to Jokic in the last week or two. Still think Jokic clearly deserves it as of now.

At the end of the day, I'd hate to see SGA get it 99.5% because of things that aren't in his or Jokic's control - as great as he has been.

[canada_dry]

Really bad week for the Jokic MVP case

I’m pretty firmly SGA right now until the Nuggets prove they can actually compete with good teams.

I disagree. anyone who has watched either of the last three games Bucks,Pistons, Celtics could easily see what Jokic has to work with and the huge drop-off when he's off the court too. even vs. the C's last night Jokic was +0 in +-, the Nuggets played the C's evenly with him on the court and they double and triple teamed Jokic (similarly to the Lakers game) daring anyone else to make plays and beat them and it was very tough to watch

meanwhile, OKC won last night with SGA not even leading his team in +- and with J-Dub going off in an elite 40 pts game. Nuggets just don't have that. imagine that the Nuggets just had Derrick White or even just Luke Kornet at backup C instead of the corpse of DAJ...

the difference in depth between the Nuggets and the top tier teams is considerable. it's not just further down the rotation btw, the issue is that MPJ and Murray are very incosistent, MPJ had the worst game of his career vs. the Bucks and it cost them the game, Murray had one great half vs. the C's but a horrid first half and they were already down 20 before he even made a bucket

the top tier teams don't have that issue, they have better and more consistent seconday and tertiary options AND considerably better options off the bench

vs. the Bucks Jokic was a -5 in a 9 pts loss, rest of the starters? Braun -12, Murray -13,AG -14, MPJ -20

my point is, we already know the Nuggets aren't on par as a team with the top teams in the league this isn't news to anybody except a few homers (but thats what homerism is, it's not unique to Nuggets homers ). it was never about is the gap 8 games or 12 games, so I don't think a couple of tough losses vs. the best teams in the league on their home floor makes alot of difference

no1 expected to the Nuggets to end a gruelling road trip beating the C's in Boston, playing WB and Zeke NNaji..let's be real here

Imagine if only jokic had a player able to go for 40 or 50 points once in a while

Yeah...i mean that didn't happen just recently...

Its funny when SGA's teammate does it once its "elite"

When murray has done it multiple times, its not elite, in fact its not even remembered.

But we're being unbiased here right?

[Exp0sed]

I disagree. anyone who has watched either of the last three games Bucks,Pistons, Celtics could easily see what Jokic has to work with and the huge drop-off when he's off the court too. even vs. the C's last night Jokic was +0 in +-, the Nuggets played the C's evenly with him on the court and they double and triple teamed Jokic (similarly to the Lakers game) daring anyone else to make plays and beat them and it was very tough to watch

meanwhile, OKC won last night with SGA not even leading his team in +- and with J-Dub going off in an elite 40 pts game. Nuggets just don't have that. imagine that the Nuggets just had Derrick White or even just Luke Kornet at backup C instead of the corpse of DAJ...

the difference in depth between the Nuggets and the top tier teams is considerable. it's not just further down the rotation btw, the issue is that MPJ and Murray are very incosistent, MPJ had the worst game of his career vs. the Bucks and it cost them the game, Murray had one great half vs. the C's but a horrid first half and they were already down 20 before he even made a bucket

the top tier teams don't have that issue, they have better and more consistent seconday and tertiary options AND considerably better options off the bench

vs. the Bucks Jokic was a -5 in a 9 pts loss, rest of the starters? Braun -12, Murray -13,AG -14, MPJ -20

my point is, we already know the Nuggets aren't on par as a team with the top teams in the league this isn't news to anybody except a few homers (but thats what homerism is, it's not unique to Nuggets homers ). it was never about is the gap 8 games or 12 games, so I don't think a couple of tough losses vs. the best teams in the league on their home floor makes alot of difference

no1 expected to the Nuggets to end a gruelling road trip beating the C's in Boston, playing WB and Zeke NNaji..let's be real here

Imagine if only jokic had a player able to go for 40 or 50 points once in a while

Yeah...i mean that didn't happen just recently...

Its funny when SGA's teammate does it once its "elite"

When murray has done it multiple times, its not elite, in fact its not even remembered.

But we're being unbiased here right?

Murray does that occasionally but he's also a poor defender that gets picked on and literally hunted by good teams (and not just good teams, watch that Hornets game in the clutch when Miles Bridges hunted Murray 3-4 straight possesions in the clutch) and when his shooting his off - he shoots you out of games. when you have a guy like J-Dub carrying ur defense night after night while going off every once in a while well...that's a big gap my friend and even on a bad night, you still get elite defense from him.

[Special_Puppy]

I disagree. anyone who has watched either of the last three games Bucks,Pistons, Celtics could easily see what Jokic has to work with and the huge drop-off when he's off the court too. even vs. the C's last night Jokic was +0 in +-, the Nuggets played the C's evenly with him on the court and they double and triple teamed Jokic (similarly to the Lakers game) daring anyone else to make plays and beat them and it was very tough to watch

meanwhile, OKC won last night with SGA not even leading his team in +- and with J-Dub going off in an elite 40 pts game. Nuggets just don't have that. imagine that the Nuggets just had Derrick White or even just Luke Kornet at backup C instead of the corpse of DAJ...

the difference in depth between the Nuggets and the top tier teams is considerable. it's not just further down the rotation btw, the issue is that MPJ and Murray are very incosistent, MPJ had the worst game of his career vs. the Bucks and it cost them the game, Murray had one great half vs. the C's but a horrid first half and they were already down 20 before he even made a bucket

the top tier teams don't have that issue, they have better and more consistent seconday and tertiary options AND considerably better options off the bench

vs. the Bucks Jokic was a -5 in a 9 pts loss, rest of the starters? Braun -12, Murray -13,AG -14, MPJ -20

my point is, we already know the Nuggets aren't on par as a team with the top teams in the league this isn't news to anybody except a few homers (but thats what homerism is, it's not unique to Nuggets homers ). it was never about is the gap 8 games or 12 games, so I don't think a couple of tough losses vs. the best teams in the league on their home floor makes alot of difference

no1 expected to the Nuggets to end a gruelling road trip beating the C's in Boston, playing WB and Zeke NNaji..let's be real here

Imagine if only jokic had a player able to go for 40 or 50 points once in a while

Yeah...i mean that didn't happen just recently...

Its funny when SGA's teammate does it once its "elite"

When murray has done it multiple times, its not elite, in fact its not even remembered.

But we're being unbiased here right?

He was being sarcastic

[Special_Puppy]

I have SGA creeping a teeny bit closer to Jokic in the last week or two. Still think Jokic clearly deserves it as of now.

At the end of the day, I'd hate to see SGA get it 99.5% because of things that aren't in his or Jokic's control - as great as he has been.

I also think that it'd be pretty lame if team record (and voter fatigue to a lesser extent) was the thing that ultimate tipped the race towards SGA, but SGA is also having an ATG great season and is very deserving.

[RB34]

Lebron James is the MVP this year. Sure Jokic has stats, Shai has wins BUT Lebron is FORTY. 40... lool. What he is currently doing is more impressive than the other 2. Just like the stats Jokic is posting, NOBODY in NBA history has done what Lebron is doing this year. He's got stats and W's. If Jokic can win as the 6th seed Lebron should get this one.

Jokic has never played with an All Star. Meanwhile, LeBron is playing next to an All NBA first teamer, again.

Lebron is 40...

Oh no way?!? I didn’t know that.

Has nothing to do with this thread. LeBron isn’t the best player in his team and wasn’t before the trade either.

[Special_Puppy]

SGA with a cool 40 points on 81% TS with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter

[Infinite Llamas]

SGA with a cool 40 points on 81% TS with 4 minutes left in the 3rd quarter

Not watching the game but just curious which one of Jalen Green or Reed Sheppard are guarding him.