2024-25 NBA Draft Talk

[The-Power]

He is taller and longer. If he is there in the second round, which I doubt, he would be worth a flyer IMO.

We'll see how much longer and taller he ends up being but whatever the measurements, it's fair to say he doesn't do much with his height and length at this point. If it's not functional, it's not really relevant.

Good point.

Counter point: Joe had two years in college and Evans is still in his freshman season and comes off the bench on a deep team.

My point was rather unrelated to Joe (he is a fairly high-end outcome for this archetype, I think) but that he just doesn't do much but shoot from deep (which he does very well) and I wouldn't expect him to start using his length in ways that separate him from someone like Joe.

Please also note that I'm not saying he sucks or that he's not worth a flyer some time in the second round (though unlike you I have a hard time seeing teams interested in drafting him with a FRP). But I think we should be realistic about likely outcomes. If he's Lindy Waters III, that would already be a success IMO.

[whatisacenter]

We'll see how much longer and taller he ends up being but whatever the measurements, it's fair to say he doesn't do much with his height and length at this point. If it's not functional, it's not really relevant.

Good point.

Counter point: Joe had two years in college and Evans is still in his freshman season and comes off the bench on a deep team.

My point was rather unrelated to Joe (he is a fairly high-end outcome for this archetype, I think) but that he just doesn't do much but shoot from deep (which he does very well) and I wouldn't expect him to start using his length in ways that separate him from someone like Joe.

Please also note that I'm not saying he sucks or that he's not worth a flyer some time in the second round (though unlike you I have a hard time seeing teams interested in drafting him with a FRP). But I think we should be realistic about likely outcomes. If he's Lindy Waters III, that would already be a success IMO.

I think he will stay another year at Duke and play with the Boozers if he doesn't get a first round promise...

[wco81]

Second round picks are for more finished products, players who've plays 3 or 4 years. So older but higher floor lower ceiling.

So Draymond was a senior out of MSU.

Or someone like Brogdon.

Or more recently, someone like Camara, drafted #52 in the 2023 draft. He's going to turn 25 in a couple of months but he's a full time starter now, getting over 32 MPG after getting 25 MPG as a rookie.

For comparison, Moody has never averaged 20 MPG in his career and he's in his 4th season, 2 years younger than Camara, who's only in his second season.

What is the point of drafting these young, higher ceiling players? Teams figure he's young so they can stash him with the developmental staff, not actually play them?

So find some high-floor players who are juniors or seniors in the second round, who showed improvement as well as has good size.

Draymond was 22 when drafted, Moody's age now.

[TB]

I think a player that could fit a need for us is Walter Clayton Jr of Florida. He reminds me a lot of Payton Pritchard.

He’s an NBA ready combo guard that could play right away in a position we desperately need a cheap solution for the next couple years.

[EvanZ]

Adou Thiero. Second Round watch.

[whatisacenter]

Adou Thiero. Second Round watch.

Yeah, I liked him when the team had a FRP but I doubt he will slip to the 2nd round. If he is on the board he's a no-brainer.

He does a lot of things well but needs to fix his shot.

[Onus]

We really might need a player like Ian Jackson if he slips

[EvanZ]

We really might need a player like Ian Jackson if he slips

We have him already. His name is Buddy. Literally the exact same archetype but Ian is a poor man's version.

[EvanZ]

Adou Thiero. Second Round watch.

Yeah, I liked him when the team had a FRP but I doubt he will slip to the 2nd round. If he is on the board he's a no-brainer.

He does a lot of things well but needs to fix his shot.

He needs to fix his shot to be a star, but even without a shot he can be an outstanding role guy for us. Or for any team really. Big athletic defenders who can attack the rim with force...wait can we trade JK for him?

[wco81]

Warriors can't be getting players who have broken shots.

This team needs shooting, not another "athlete" who can't shoot.

There have been too many wings drafted high, even in the lottery, who've flamed out of the league because they can't make the open shots that teams give them. They were physically talented, could do many things like defend and rebound but they couldn't shoot.

[Onus]

We really might need a player like Ian Jackson if he slips

We have him already. His name is Buddy. Literally the exact same archetype but Ian is a poor man's version.

Yea but we seriously need someone who can score and Buddy can't do it consistently or create for himself. I don't really like Jackson but man does the bench need someone who can create some offense if Jimmy is out.

[EvanZ]

We really might need a player like Ian Jackson if he slips

We have him already. His name is Buddy. Literally the exact same archetype but Ian is a poor man's version.

Yea but we seriously need someone who can score and Buddy can't do it consistently or create for himself. I don't really like Jackson but man does the bench need someone who can create some offense if Jimmy is out.

You really can’t fill needs like this by drafting second round picks. At that point you’re just trying to find the guy who has the best chance of being an NBA player.

[EvanZ]

Warriors can't be getting players who have broken shots.

This team needs shooting, not another "athlete" who can't shoot.

There have been too many wings drafted high, even in the lottery, who've flamed out of the league because they can't make the open shots that teams give them. They were physically talented, could do many things like defend and rebound but they couldn't shoot.

By that reasoning you wouldn’t draft Amen or Draymond. Or a guy like Toumani Camara. You can’t have such rigid rules.

[Onus]

We have him already. His name is Buddy. Literally the exact same archetype but Ian is a poor man's version.

Yea but we seriously need someone who can score and Buddy can't do it consistently or create for himself. I don't really like Jackson but man does the bench need someone who can create some offense if Jimmy is out.

You really can’t fill needs like this by drafting second round picks. At that point you’re just trying to find the guy who has the best chance of being an NBA player.

eh I feel like you should be able to find an NBA player in the 2nd rd rather easily. Can the player you're drafting fill a role that you need, determines how well that player will do in their first contract.

[wco81]

Warriors can't be getting players who have broken shots.

This team needs shooting, not another "athlete" who can't shoot.

There have been too many wings drafted high, even in the lottery, who've flamed out of the league because they can't make the open shots that teams give them. They were physically talented, could do many things like defend and rebound but they couldn't shoot.

By that reasoning you wouldn’t draft Amen or Draymond. Or a guy like Toumani Camara. You can’t have such rigid rules.

Given Warriors recent drafts, they can't keep drafting non-shooters.

In big games, are you going to have Podz or Kuminga take open shots? The only ones you can trust on this team are Curry, Moody and maybe Post, though he may not get minutes in a playoff situation if he gets hunted.

We will see if either of the Thompson brothers are effective in the playoffs. Some teams will try to give them the Tony Allen treatment, make them prove they can make open 3s.

Camara is shooting 37.6% this season. I don't know what the scouting report was for him coming out of college but he was a late second round pick and a throw in on the Lillard trade. Obviously found-money for the Blazers.

But the team hasn't done well not targeting shooting as one of the main attributes of draft targets. They haven't done so since Curry and Klay? Maybe you can stretch it and say Jordan Poole was picked for his shooting, though again as the #28 pick, they didn't necessarily expect a high-level shooter.

[EvanZ]

Yea but we seriously need someone who can score and Buddy can't do it consistently or create for himself. I don't really like Jackson but man does the bench need someone who can create some offense if Jimmy is out.

You really can’t fill needs like this by drafting second round picks. At that point you’re just trying to find the guy who has the best chance of being an NBA player.

eh I feel like you should be able to find an NBA player in the 2nd rd rather easily. Can the player you're drafting fill a role that you need, determines how well that player will do in their first contract.

Well, this is false on its face. Very few second round picks ever get a second long term deal. Your brain remembers the ones who do but that's just survivor bias.

[Onus]

You really can’t fill needs like this by drafting second round picks. At that point you’re just trying to find the guy who has the best chance of being an NBA player.

eh I feel like you should be able to find an NBA player in the 2nd rd rather easily. Can the player you're drafting fill a role that you need, determines how well that player will do in their first contract.

Well, this is false on its face. Very few second round picks ever get a second long term deal. Your brain remembers the ones who do but that's just survivor bias.

There are teams that consistently find players in the 2nd round. But yes a lot of teams are really bad at it.

[wco81]

Warriors shooting 23.5% from 3 against the Hornets.

Yeah they don't need shooting, draft some more guys with broken shots.

[Onus]

Warriors shooting 23.5% from 3 against the Hornets.

Yeah they don't need shooting, draft some more guys with broken shots.

I like Tucker DeVries too bad he got hurt. Also karaban.

[EvanZ]

eh I feel like you should be able to find an NBA player in the 2nd rd rather easily. Can the player you're drafting fill a role that you need, determines how well that player will do in their first contract.

Well, this is false on its face. Very few second round picks ever get a second long term deal. Your brain remembers the ones who do but that's just survivor bias.

There are teams that consistently find players in the 2nd round. But yes a lot of teams are really bad at it.

Including us