2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[Revived]

KD to OKC for Hartenstein, Dort & 2 firsts
Booker to Houston for Adams,Brooks,Amen

Suns Run

Booker
Beal - Dort
Brooks - Dort
Amen - Dunn
Hartenstein - Adams

Wait so we trade Booker, but we still play him? That's a bold strategy Cotton, I like it!

Not to mention we trade 28 yr old Booker locked up on a longterm deal to Houston and we don’t even get any of our own picks back.

I’ve grown to expect a lot less from kdoubledee (he used to be one of the biggest defenders of the KD trade when it initially happened and used to lash out at critics of the trade as “pessimists”) yet he continues to surprise me with these incredible posts of his.

[lilfishi22]

That's loser talk. Not that I'm calling YOU a loser, but that's what one would say.

They're gonna be a pool of a number of teams that he's fine with and we negotiate with those teams. We do not have to take whatever crumbs Dallas offe4s as they try and save themselves from the Luka nightmare.

Don't be surprised if you're rudely awakened by KD's actual trade value ie what teams are actually willing to pay for a 37yo player on an expiring contract as opposed to what we expect to get.

We already saw his value.

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, 2 FRPs and multiple swaps and seconds.

And value NEVER changes

[Slim Charless]

Don't be surprised if you're rudely awakened by KD's actual trade value ie what teams are actually willing to pay for a 37yo player on an expiring contract as opposed to what we expect to get.

We already saw his value.

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, 2 FRPs and multiple swaps and seconds.

And value NEVER changes

Well there's a drop from there-which will happen, and there's accepting Dallas's runoff. I think there's a happy medium point between the 2

I'll also add that there will be more then one team trying to get him.

[lilfishi22]

We already saw his value.

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, 2 FRPs and multiple swaps and seconds.

And value NEVER changes

Well there's a drop from there-which will happen, and there's accepting Dallas's runoff. I think there's a happy medium point between the 2

I'll also add that there will be more then one team trying to get him.

Not saying the Dallas offer above is the one we should take but as I suggested, don't be surprised if a couple of decent players and a couple of 1st round picks is what others are offering too.

[BobbieL]

And value NEVER changes

Well there's a drop from there-which will happen, and there's accepting Dallas's runoff. I think there's a happy medium point between the 2

I'll also add that there will be more then one team trying to get him.

Not saying the Dallas offer above is the one we should take but as I suggested, don't be surprised if a couple of decent players and a couple of 1st round picks is what others are offering too.

I hope I am wrong but I think a Durant trade will be
A couple FRPs
one rotational player - like top 8
and filler that I hope are expiring contracts

That Houston deal mentioned earlier seems way to go to be true

[dremill24]

Don't be surprised if you're rudely awakened by KD's actual trade value ie what teams are actually willing to pay for a 37yo player on an expiring contract as opposed to what we expect to get.

We already saw his value.

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, 2 FRPs and multiple swaps and seconds.

And value NEVER changes

Also, the reporting from Windhorst/Shelburne on that package was that it was seen as too steep by GSW and the specific picks in the package werent what MIA wanted, FWIW. Unless theres something else credible out there to disagree, I dont know that its fait accompli that this was done other than KD quashing it.

[lilfishi22]

Well there's a drop from there-which will happen, and there's accepting Dallas's runoff. I think there's a happy medium point between the 2

I'll also add that there will be more then one team trying to get him.

Not saying the Dallas offer above is the one we should take but as I suggested, don't be surprised if a couple of decent players and a couple of 1st round picks is what others are offering too.

I hope I am wrong but I think a Durant trade will be
A couple FRPs
one rotational player - like top 8
and filler that I hope are expiring contracts

That Houston deal mentioned earlier seems way to go to be true

I'm just trying to be realistic and I think a couple of FRP's, a good rotation player and expiring/value contracts are what I would expect from a likely KD trade. If we get more (ie the Houston trade) then awesome but I'm not expecting it.

At the end of the day, KD is 37, he can walk in a year's time if he wanted or if things go pear shape. Even if KD is going to play well until he's 40, trading for him at 37 is still different to trading for him at 34; the risk factors are just different

[KdoubleDees23]

KD to OKC for Hartenstein, Dort & 2 firsts
Booker to Houston for Adams,Brooks,Amen

Suns Run

Booker
Beal - Dort
Brooks - Dort
Amen - Dunn
Hartenstein - Adams

Wait so we trade Booker, but we still play him? That's a bold strategy Cotton, I like it!

Not to mention we trade 28 yr old Booker locked up on a longterm deal to Houston and we don’t even get any of our own picks back.

I’ve grown to expect a lot less from kdoubledee (he used to be one of the biggest defenders of the KD trade when it initially happened and used to lash out at critics of the trade as “pessimists”) yet he continues to surprise me with these incredible posts of his.

my bad lol. meant to use the PG in draft or trade picks for PG for that spot.

[KdoubleDees23]

Realistic for KD is

Dallas, Houston, or OKC. Those are the 3 teams I see him going to ask to be traded.

Dallas: PJ, Gafford, Exum, and 1st (I wouldn't mind this)
Houston: Brooks, Sheppard, Jabari Smith Jr , and 1st (suns back or something else)
OKC: Dort, Hartenstein, and 2 firsts.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Every project with Booker at the helm has failed for us. Why should anyone think it's going to be different this time. He can not lead us anywhere, he's just not good enough. We don't have enough chips to bring a better player than him, a proper leader, so why even bother trying to 'stay competitive'. It's so foolish. We're losing more and more years in mediocricy. This is preposterous.

Booker is just not a true franchise player! And the fact that do many fans promote him as our franchise player just speaks to why no other teams take us seriously!

He's a great offensive player and talent, and one of my favorite players. But he's more of a 2nd tier 1B star like a Steve Smith, Mitch Richmond or a Brandon Roy before the leg/ knee issues ended his career.

He's just good enough to keep us outside the top of the lottery, but not good enough or truly elite enough to carry this team to a championship.

And even when we help by adding supposed high end star players, it's always older, mostly washed stars that are past their primes or in decline.

Whoa.


Brandon Roy >> Booker.

Booker is a better looking Lavine with a nice looking shot. That is all.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=roybr01&player_id1=bookede01&request=1&utm_source=bbr&utm_id=bookede01&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_medium=sr_xsite

Looking at their production, stats, efficiency, Booker has been measurably better overall. But for me, again they're not that far apart from one another in statistical comparison and style of play. I can also see and understand your comp for Lavine too! Sans the athleticism gap of course....lol.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Don't be surprised if you're rudely awakened by KD's actual trade value ie what teams are actually willing to pay for a 37yo player on an expiring contract as opposed to what we expect to get.

We already saw his value.

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, 2 FRPs and multiple swaps and seconds.

And value NEVER changes

[lilfishi22]

Booker is just not a true franchise player! And the fact that do many fans promote him as our franchise player just speaks to why no other teams take us seriously!

He's a great offensive player and talent, and one of my favorite players. But he's more of a 2nd tier 1B star like a Steve Smith, Mitch Richmond or a Brandon Roy before the leg/ knee issues ended his career.

He's just good enough to keep us outside the top of the lottery, but not good enough or truly elite enough to carry this team to a championship.

And even when we help by adding supposed high end star players, it's always older, mostly washed stars that are past their primes or in decline.

Whoa.


Brandon Roy >> Booker.

Booker is a better looking Lavine with a nice looking shot. That is all.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=roybr01&player_id1=bookede01&request=1&utm_source=bbr&utm_id=bookede01&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_medium=sr_xsite

Looking at their production, stats, efficiency, Booker has been measurably better overall. But for me, again they're not that far apart from one another in statistical comparison and style of play. I can also see and understand your comp for Lavine too! Sans the athleticism gap of course....lol.

I'll always have a soft spot for BRoy but Booker is almost certainly better as a scorer. Far more efficient and at high volumes. That said, Roy was a damn good defender, he was a really good playmaker (low turnovers too) and anecdotally, a more reliable and clutch player down the stretch

[KdoubleDees23]

We already saw his value.

Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Kuminga, 2 FRPs and multiple swaps and seconds.

And value NEVER changes

If that was the offer and we didn't take it, we are dumb!

Imaging

Beal
Booker
Butler
Kuminga
Richards

[lilfishi22]

And value NEVER changes

If that was the offer and we didn't take it, we are dumb!

Imaging

Beal
Booker
Butler
Kuminga
Richards

Pass. That deal would've come on the condition we resign Jimmy for another two years. Kuminga is also up for a huge contract and I think he's overrated. The picks would've been nice but at the cost of taking an extended Butler/Kuminga....probably not

FWIW the reporting is that KD killed the trade

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