PG: Orlando refuse to let Raptors lose

[MoneyBall]

I'm saying Franz has been a net improvement year over year, and there's no real argument against that. His OBPM is up there with Durant and Irving and he's only 23.

Yeah, that's fair enough. He's definitely improved as a playmaker and he got better at drawing fouls after his rookie season. There's going to be a limit to ceiling whenever your two primary scorers can't score efficiently, though, and that's where Orlando is right now.

I've never been a huge fan of Banchero, but I can definitely see him getting better with experience. He doesn't have to become a number one option to be valuable on a winning team.

We'll see what happens. He does need to become efficient in order to be useful, though, and he's like 5% below league average right now. He's less efficient than Scottie right at the moment, and that isn't a good thing at all.

Yeah, I mostly agree. I just think they have so much room to grow. I remember when the Cavs traded for Mitchell and a good chunk of people on here were laughing saying how the Cavs were handcuffed for the foreseable future. Capped out with low ceiling, they said. Look at them now.

[tsherkin]

Yeah, I mostly agree. I just think they have so much room to grow. I remember when the Cavs traded for Mitchell and a good chunck of people on here were laughing saying how the Cavs were handcuffed for the foreseable future. Capped out with low ceiling, they said. Look at them now.

They have potential, that's clear. Wagner is pretty good; he still has a long way to go as a scorer, but he's well ahead of someone like Scottie on offense overall this year, to be sure.

Cavs look great. They have a whole pile of stuff going for them.

[Tha Cynic]

More than even the blowing by players and efficiency, I think he thinks pass first more than he should when he is in the process of getting to the rim (whether Andre Miller style or catching defender off guard).

Hard disagree. I'm glad that he acknowledges that he needs to be passing more. He does very well by looking for the pass first, and that's honestly more of his future than trying to score too much, IMHO.

It would be nice if he could find a bit of balance, for sure, and his developing hesi game is nice to see, but I don't really want to preach at him to CURB his passing tendency, since that's his greatest offensive contribution to the team.

Not to say he shouldn’t keep passing, but he has the ability to draw more fouls and needs to imo. It changes our teams offensive dynamic when he’s more aggressive. I see more scoring potential in him than just being a guy who’s a hub that passes, but that scoring needs to come from the free throw line than outside. I’m glad they’re focusing on his in the midrange more in the second half of the season. He does imo need to become a better scorer who focuses on scoring. He’s too content passing to any guy who’s open or has a mismatch advantage even when said guy probably can’t take advantage of it.

[tsherkin]

Not to say he shouldn’t keep passing, but he has the ability to draw more fouls and needs to imo. It changes our teams offensive dynamic when he’s more aggressive. I see more scoring potential in him than just being a guy who’s a hub that passes, but that scoring needs to come from the free throw line than outside. I’m glad they’re focusing on his in the midrange more in the second half of the season. He does imo need to become a better scorer who focuses on scoring. He’s too content passing to any guy who’s open or has a mismatch advantage even when said guy probably can’t take advantage of it.

Yeah, he could maintain a higher level of aggression a little. It won't really make a huge difference to him unless he can learn how to hit shots, though. He's never going to be a .500+ FTr guy and even those guys need to learn how to make shots to get it done at the highest levels. Like I said, there are well-known, well-documented limitations to Scottie's game and we're trying to make a monkey into a missile, which is a mistake.

[Tha Cynic]

Not to say he shouldn’t keep passing, but he has the ability to draw more fouls and needs to imo. It changes our teams offensive dynamic when he’s more aggressive. I see more scoring potential in him than just being a guy who’s a hub that passes, but that scoring needs to come from the free throw line than outside. I’m glad they’re focusing on his in the midrange more in the second half of the season. He does imo need to become a better scorer who focuses on scoring. He’s too content passing to any guy who’s open or has a mismatch advantage even when said guy probably can’t take advantage of it.

Yeah, he could maintain a higher level of aggression a little. It won't really make a huge difference to him unless he can learn how to hit shots, though. He's never going to be a .500+ FTr guy and even those guys need to learn how to make shots to get it done at the highest levels. Like I said, there are well-known, well-documented limitations to Scottie's game and we're trying to make a monkey into a missile, which is a mistake.

We spent most of the first half of the season having him play PG and try to initiate offense from the perimeter which he clearly isn’t good at. I feel he can definitely refine his game from the midrange area and in. He has the most size to be able to get to the basket and finish in traffic. There are some games he definitely gets up for which is where you see him try to be more of a scorer in what I consider the right way for him.

I personally think his mindset is flawed right now but maybe he’s just a guy who will always play that way.

[tsherkin]

We spent most of the first half of the season having him play PG and try to initiate offense from the perimeter which he clearly isn’t good at. I feel he can definitely refine his game from the midrange area and in. He has the most size to be able to get to the basket and finish in traffic. There are some games he definitely gets up for which is where you see him try to be more of a scorer in what I consider the right way for him.

I personally think his mindset is flawed right now but maybe he’s just a guy who will always play that way.

His playmaking has had a palpably positive impact on the offense. He's specifically good for RJ. He is able to get to his spots when he attacks from beyond the arc. That isn't really the problem. The problem is that he isn't make shots, point blank.

[steveholt]

MUG BO !!

[Fairview4Life]

The southeast division is a clown show.