Scotto: RJ was in trade talks for BI

Post #41 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Mar 3, 2025 11:09 pm

Duffman100 wrote:He said Edey, if used right, had the potential to be as impactful as Shaq. So...

*facepalm*

Thaddy wrote:Barrett rightfully has some haters. He plays a "power guard" game and that's tough to put up against shifty guards with elite burst. He just isn't able to keep up on that end.

He isn't a perfect player, sure, but he does all right for us.

If you look at CraftedDPM (aggregation of DDARKO, DLEBRON, etc) he ranked 8th percentile in the league. Even with meaningful improvement that won't cut it.

We've had this discussion already, so I"m not in a hurry to rehash it.

ArthurVandelay · Post #42 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 12:32 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Told ya'll.

Meanwhile the counterarguments were:

"stop being so negative"
"RJ is going to be Paul Pierce"
"RJ can become a good defender"

womp womp like usual, common sense wins again

Once RJ is eventually off this team I suspect his AST% will crash back down again. He should go play in Taiwan.

Looking at Pelicans cap sheet it makes no sense at all for RJ to go to Pelicans. Masai would have known that as well. They only had about $15in luxury tax space to work with for next year, which just so happens to be just above Olynk’s salary.

I’m sure every player on roster was mentioned at some point. How much is real vs bargaining vs positioning vs bluffing??

WuTang_CMB · Post #43 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 12:44 am

RJ was always going to be traded. Question was when. My guess is this off-season. With BI, they want to lean on him moving forward and we gotta better balance out the roster and cap.

Boogie! · Post #44 » by **Boogie!** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 12:45 am

the more concerning thing to me is why dick consistently is talked about as if he is part of the long term future of the team. He hasn’t shown anything at this point to warrant that investment and again Rj being an afterthought by the organization reminds me of Norman Powell.

Indeed · Post #45 » by **Indeed** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 12:54 am

ConSarnit wrote:
MEDIC wrote:I don't believe it. I believe it was talked about (why wouldn't it be?), but I don't believe the Raps were trying to "unload" him.

Why trade a healthy Barrett for an injury prone BI?

BI sn't Kawhi.

If the reporting is true then it probably wasn’t NOP bringing up RJ in trade talks. By default it had to be us offering up RJ.

This is the interesting point, where Barrett would have better value than Brown.
Does that mean we forced New Orleans to take Brown, because we know they don't have Barrett and his longer term contract?
Or it was New Orleans who suggested Barrett when they want to include McCollum.

Anyway, I would not be surprised they grade Quickley or Barrett. On paper, they work, but reality that none of them make things easier for everyone. The Raptors Republic mentioned, but didn't specify who would work, but hinted they all do not cover well for each others.

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DangerZone13 · Post #46 » by **DangerZone13** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 1:12 am

Boogie! wrote:the more concerning thing to me is why dick consistently is talked about as if he is part of the long term future of the team. He hasn’t shown anything at this point to warrant that investment and again Rj being an afterthought by the organization reminds me of Norman Powell.

I've noticed the same thing with the brass' position on Gradey. I've got a strong feeling it's more-so posturing for trade value. Depending on who the lottery pick is, I can envision a deal with an older team at the draft to grab another prospect with their pick, or in the summer to get a young big.

HumbleRen · Post #47 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 1:16 am

DangerZone13 wrote:
Boogie! wrote:the more concerning thing to me is why dick consistently is talked about as if he is part of the long term future of the team. He hasn’t shown anything at this point to warrant that investment and again Rj being an afterthought by the organization reminds me of Norman Powell.

I've noticed the same thing with the brass' position on Gradey. I've got a strong feeling it's more-so posturing for trade value. Depending on who the lottery pick is, I can envision a deal with an older team at the draft to grab another prospect with their pick, or in the summer to get a young big.

It’s mainly because Gradey is on a rookie scale deal and RJ is not.

If Gradey manages to be a starter level player on his rookie scale deal, it’s infinitely more valuable around the league than a RJ making 30M a year.

With the 2nd apron looming over everyone, every team basically wants starter caliber guys making less than 10M a year.

wegotthabeet · Post #48 » by **wegotthabeet** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 1:46 am

mtcan wrote:If nothing else...just let him go into free agency. If Tre Johnson or Kasparas are ready to start as sophomores...you don't have to bring RJ back as a free agent.

I don't worry about RJ next season but rather 2 seasons from now but that is dependent on whether the lottery pick is good enough to contribute.

I would also let him enter free agency, then I’d try to bring him back on a team friendly deal at or below 15% of the cap. Unless a great offer comes along before then because so much can happen in two years.

Tha Cynic · Post #49 » by **Tha Cynic** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:01 am

Not surprised. They will replace RJ with a Hunter or Wiggins type imo - a better version of Ochai. It’s the most obvious change to make.

Tha Cynic · Post #50 » by **Tha Cynic** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:05 am

MEDIC wrote:I don't believe it. I believe it was talked about (why wouldn't it be?), but I don't believe the Raps were trying to "unload" him.

Why trade a healthy Barrett for an injury prone BI?

BI sn't Kawhi.

If you get BI, you now have 3 guys who are very similar style of players and all are subpar defenders. Then you add Dick to that and you can see where we need some serious balancing. To me Ingram is a scoring upgrade over RJ and once they got him, there’s another shoe that needs to drop.

And1Skip · Post #51 » by **And1Skip** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:07 am

The writing was already on the wall when last season Darko publicly said he wanted RJ to play like Manu Ginobili. Of course, RJ's contract is way bigger than Manu ever had, but management probably wanted RJ to eventually develop into a super 6th man and get paid like one on his next contract. But if he's going to be worth more than that, then there's no point in keeping him and they'll be better off using him as trade value.

Basketball_Jones · Post #52 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:14 am

I thought this was well known. Pels did not want him and rather the pick and flexibility.

LoveMyRaps · Post #53 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:15 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY RJ!!!!!!

NOT THE HOMETOWN HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Clutch0z24 · Post #54 » by **Clutch0z24** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:22 am

Barrett will be dealt this summer for someone that can defend really well....Who that is who knows....And also if we get lets say Edgecombe...Barrett will be packing his bags.

YogurtProducer · Post #55 » by **YogurtProducer** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:24 am

Tha Cynic wrote:
MEDIC wrote:I don't believe it. I believe it was talked about (why wouldn't it be?), but I don't believe the Raps were trying to "unload" him.

Why trade a healthy Barrett for an injury prone BI?

BI sn't Kawhi.

If you get BI, you now have 3 guys who are very similar style of players and all are subpar defenders. Then you add Dick to that and you can see where we need some serious balancing. To me Ingram is a scoring upgrade over RJ and once they got him, there’s another shoe that needs to drop.

I still think you go into 2025-26 with the plan to run

IQ/Ochai/Ingram/Barnes/Poeltl with RJ being a 6th man

and you make a serious thought about moving Dick for a big man. Doesn't even need to be a prospect, but moving him for a solid rotational 4/5.

IQ/Shead
Ochai/RJ
Ingram/Battle
Barnes/Mogbo or Boucher on a cheap deal?
Poeltl/traded for C

and the new pick slotted wherever he fits best.

SFour · Post #56 » by **SFour** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:37 am

WiggOuts wrote:Maybe it still is a toxic contract after all

the problem is his next contract not the current one

RJ is a great player to have on his current contract

dhackett1565 · Post #57 » by **dhackett1565** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:39 am

It's certainly funny to see assumptions that Gradey is the 5th starter when RJ isn't here. Ochai is perfectly made for that low usage, corner three and D 5th starter spot. Hopefully when we're trying to win that will happen. Assuming RJ does get moved (I'd peg it as a coin toss, even if we probably shop him we'll want good value and won't settle for a bad return).

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #58 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:56 am

Duffman100 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
yeah he can go win a championship with davion mitchell

Okay, so you're not to be taken seriously at all, 10-4.

He said Edey, if used right, had the potential to be as impactful as Shaq. So...

ciueli · Post #59 » by **ciueli** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:57 am

This is why I didn’t like the Ingram trade, it means RJ is odd man ou eventually. Comparing the two, RJ is younger, healthier, and cheaper, I just see it as a desperate move to get something of value for Bruce Brown in spite the huge risks.

Post #60 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Mar 4, 2025 3:03 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Okay, so you're not to be taken seriously at all, 10-4.

He said Edey, if used right, had the potential to be as impactful as Shaq. So...

Spoiler:

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:What you're essentially saying is he's going to have a Shaq impact on that game?

Offensively, it's very possible provided that he is given the touches and gets the NBA whistle. His post dominance is undeniable, it's not a fluke. Those long push/hook shots that either go in or seemingly always take soft bounces off the rim are not a fluke. It's talent.

I'm 100% sold on the scoring the question will be can he evolve as a passer with NBA spacing and process when and who to pass to more effectively.