Scotto: Barrett's on the market

[Skybox]

KCP for RJ makes sense if you want 3+D guards.

But Barrett doesn’t provide what is needed to fix the structural problems in Orlando’s offense so it doesn’t make sense for Orlando. The two things missing in Orlando is a playmaker at PG and a high volume 3pt shooter and Barrett doesn’t really provide that. To fix our problems we can’t just blindly add better offensive players they have to be ones that fix those problems.

RJ has improved a lot as a playmaker. He would make Banchero look a lot better. Paulo is the worst 20 PPG scorer in the league at the moment. Barrett doesn't provide volume 3pt shooting but he provides rim pressure.

Since Wagner and Paulo bring up the ball Orlando doesn't need a PG.

WCJ
Banchero
Wagner
KCP
Barrett / Suggs

This would work pretty well for the Magic. It essential surrounds RJ with shooting and it would take advantage of him in the pick and roll as a handler. He's been really good in that role and ranked 90+ percentile in that as a scorer / play creator.

I don't know what the Raptors would want though. Maybe KCP and picks. KCP has a bad contract and unreliable shooting which is basically a lateral move.

Clearly lateral, so no picks added. Your description of KCP’s contract & shooting are similar concerns about RJ. KCP is an elite defender and plays largely off ball. The same reasons you give for him succeeding previously should apply next to Ingram, Barnes &Quickley. He’d fit TORs offense better than RJ and his defense is worlds better. KCPs bad sample of shooting is much smaller than RJ’s. Neither is a perfect fit but RJs contract is for significantly more $$. It’s a bigger risk for ORL than TOR.

[cgf]

I'm not sure we can say that he's a toxic asset just because a team who already has Trey Murphy & Herb Jones, while paying a lot for a bad team, didn't want him. But I still think RJ will turn himself into a legit #2 as he continues to develop and his flashes of playmaking potential become a regular part of his game.

[Godaddycurse]

But Barrett doesn’t provide what is needed to fix the structural problems in Orlando’s offense so it doesn’t make sense for Orlando. The two things missing in Orlando is a playmaker at PG and a high volume 3pt shooter and Barrett doesn’t really provide that. To fix our problems we can’t just blindly add better offensive players they have to be ones that fix those problems.

RJ has improved a lot as a playmaker. He would make Banchero look a lot better. Paulo is the worst 20 PPG scorer in the league at the moment. Barrett doesn't provide volume 3pt shooting but he provides rim pressure.

Since Wagner and Paulo bring up the ball Orlando doesn't need a PG.

WCJ
Banchero
Wagner
KCP
Barrett / Suggs

This would work pretty well for the Magic. It essential surrounds RJ with shooting and it would take advantage of him in the pick and roll as a handler. He's been really good in that role and ranked 90+ percentile in that as a scorer / play creator.

I don't know what the Raptors would want though. Maybe KCP and picks. KCP has a bad contract and unreliable shooting which is basically a lateral move.

Clearly lateral, so no picks added. Your description of KCP’s contract & shooting are similar concerns about RJ. KCP is an elite defender and plays largely off ball. The same reasons you give for him succeeding previously should apply next to Ingram, Barnes &Quickley. He’d fit TORs offense better than RJ and his defense is worlds better. KCPs bad sample of shooting is much smaller than RJ’s. Neither is a perfect fit but RJs contract is for significantly more $$. It’s a bigger risk for ORL than TOR.

hmmm a 32 year old who had a big down year and whom earned his last big contract already vs a 24 year old who is having his best year to date and is still trying to earn one more big contract when he reaches his prime.. i wonder which is the bigger risk

[gswhoops]

From the feedback in this thread the answer is obvious: Toronto should keep this soon-to-be perennial All-Star.

Probably want to go ahead and get him signed to an extension too while they can still get him cheap!

[ReggiesKnicks]

This used car salesman approach to NBA fandom and trades is quite the approach. You know your team can just keep the guy and you can save us all the headache of engaging with you since your entire point of this thread seems to be propping up R.J. Barrett and telling us how good he is.

[MessiahUjiri]

Most of the posters on this board haven’t even watched RJ play in 2 years, and are repeating talking points from when RJ was on his rookie deal.

22/6/6 on 35% 3s as a 24 year old…take names out and you see why this could be attractive to some teams.

The reason Toronto is rumored to shop him is because they are filled with SGs, and need to balance the roster. RJ’s contract allows him to be an effective trade bait, as all the other SGs are on a rookie deal.

I’ve realized that it’s unproductive to engage with the ignoramus crew here, and we’ll just have to circle back if an eventual trade happens.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Most of the posters on this board haven’t even watched RJ play in 2 years, and are repeating talking points from when RJ was on his rookie deal.

Isn't this the same for literally any player?

What makes R.J. less watched than every other thread about every other player?

The reason Toronto is rumored to shop him is because they are filled with SGs, and need to balance the roster. RJ’s contract allows him to be an effective trade bait, as all the other SGs are on a rookie deal.

I’ve realized that it’s unproductive to engage with the ignoramus crew here, and we’ll just have to circle back if an eventual trade happens.

The cool thing here is we have information about what one NBA team decided to do. That is a data point in player and value evaluation.

The New Orleans Pelicans decided to take on expiring salary plus the corpse of Kelly Olynyk on a near MLE level salary over R.J. Barrett, even though New Orleans needs wing depth.

That is a clear data point for how at least one team values R.J. Barrett.

[gswhoops]

“Everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and doesn’t watch ball” is a surefire way to spark a productive conversation

[wegotthabeet]

Most of the posters on this board haven’t even watched RJ play in 2 years, and are repeating talking points from when RJ was on his rookie deal.

Isn't this the same for literally any player?

What makes R.J. less watched than every other thread about every other player?

The reason Toronto is rumored to shop him is because they are filled with SGs, and need to balance the roster. RJ’s contract allows him to be an effective trade bait, as all the other SGs are on a rookie deal.

I’ve realized that it’s unproductive to engage with the ignoramus crew here, and we’ll just have to circle back if an eventual trade happens.

The cool thing here is we have information about what one NBA team decided to do. That is a data point in player and value evaluation.

The New Orleans Pelicans decided to take on expiring salary plus the corpse of Kelly Olynyk on a near MLE level salary over R.J. Barrett, even though New Orleans needs wing depth.

That is a clear data point for how at least one team values R.J. Barrett.

What’s the point of bringing this up without the context of the cap implications. RJ + a top 4 pick puts them right at the 2nd apron next year. I think it’s disingenuous to take it out of context. Obviously no team is trading for Barrett if it pushes them to the 2nd apron. Every team would opt for the flexibility yet you’re trying to frame it like Bruce Brown had more value as a player.

[JRoy]

Most of the posters on this board haven’t even watched RJ play in 2 years, and are repeating talking points from when RJ was on his rookie deal.

22/6/6 on 35% 3s as a 24 year old…take names out and you see why this could be attractive to some teams.

The reason Toronto is rumored to shop him is because they are filled with SGs, and need to balance the roster. RJ’s contract allows him to be an effective trade bait, as all the other SGs are on a rookie deal.

I’ve realized that it’s unproductive to engage with the ignoramus crew here, and we’ll just have to circle back if an eventual trade happens.

Ignorami, if you please.

[Duffman100]

Most of the posters on this board haven’t even watched RJ play in 2 years, and are repeating talking points from when RJ was on his rookie deal.

22/6/6 on 35% 3s as a 24 year old…take names out and you see why this could be attractive to some teams.

The reason Toronto is rumored to shop him is because they are filled with SGs, and need to balance the roster. RJ’s contract allows him to be an effective trade bait, as all the other SGs are on a rookie deal.

I’ve realized that it’s unproductive to engage with the ignoramus crew here, and we’ll just have to circle back if an eventual trade happens.

Ignorami, if you please.

Technically ignoramus would be right there, as crew would be singular.

Engage with the ignorami.
Engage with the ignoramus crew.

[Texas Chuck]

Just a heads up, if you start threads, ignoring and attacking feedback is just going to lead to it getting locked.

But to sum it up, most Raps fans think he is a really good player and worth his contract.
Most non-Raps fans think his game is a hard one to fit and thus he doesn't have a lot of value or a huge market.

If he gets traded this summer, we can see who was right, but this seems to have run its course and I'm tired of issuing warnings because some posters have to make everything personal if someone disagrees with them.