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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#741 » by 165bows » Mon Mar 3, 2025 5:57 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:I haven’t kept up with Cedric Coward. I did a google and learned he played 6 games before season ending shoulder surgery. Don’t know his recovery timeline. Givony has him 50 ish, Vecenie has him 40 ish.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/despite-season-ending-injury-cedric-coward-still-worth-an-nba-draft-pick

165bows wrote:I don't know much at all about him but a ton to like there obviously, pretty much zero statistical flaws in his line this year. Still 21 years old on draft night according to RealGM, would not at all be surprised to see him be a first round pick unless he's an awful cherry picker no D guy.

Edit: https://edemirnba.substack.com/p/cedric-coward-scouting-report

Reading this later, yeah this guy is a first rounder lol, def should be on our radar as he is an archetype this team absolutely loves.

I’m a total idiot I didn’t see how few games he’s played at a high level lol.
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Post#742 » by phincsfan » Mon Mar 3, 2025 9:59 pm

Hunter Sallis goes against Duke tonight. His good shooting must have been an anomaly last season. He's a more realistic 30% 3pt shooter. He has very good size for a guard though and he can get to the basket.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#743 » by playa-hater » Tue Mar 4, 2025 1:19 am

cl2117 wrote:I would like to see us go for a big if possible.

Horford is retiring soon. KP has injury issues. Tillman looks cooked. We may get priced out on Kornet. Queta is a great developmental option but still isn't likely to be able to be a playoff rotation piece. Feels like adding another big, especially if Horford sticks around, means we're over indexing on the position but finding a competent big with upside would be huge for our ability to keep the expensive parts of this team together and also a post-Horford world.

Apart from that I'm happy to keep spamming the 3&D archetype until we hit on it because it's got to be the most valuable roleplaying asset you can find.

Not bothering to dig too deep into the draft until after the season, but just from scanning through some big boards it seems like there are plenty of 3&D profile guys as well as a handful of bigs who should be available when we're on the clock.


Well at least we have 2 relatively decent draft picks at 28 and 31 ish. We could/should go after best of both Bigman and 3-D wing. But a Bigman may be way more of a need for reasons you gave than anything else. Like you, I will dive deeper in the draft after this season or near the end.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#744 » by Fierce1 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 5:26 pm

With Kyrie out for season and Mavs having their 2025 1st rnd pick, I think the Mavs will try to capture the Flagg.
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Post#745 » by Hal14 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 5:29 pm

Fierce1 wrote:With Kyrie out for season and Mavs having their 2025 1st rnd pick, I think the Mavs will try to capture the Flagg.

Yup, them and 13 other teams..
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#746 » by 165bows » Tue Mar 4, 2025 5:52 pm

Flagg's been absolutely ridiculous lately - 24:3 A:TO ratio the past five games, 29/62 (.467%) from 3 since start of 2025.

Edit: forgot I also kind of like Duke’s Sion James as a maybe poor mans Desmond Bane type. Edit2: Also then we can claim he and Flagg are best friends and it's fuel to the fire around Flagg rumors for like five years.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#747 » by keevsnick1 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 6:44 pm

165bows wrote:Flagg's been absolutely ridiculous lately - 24:3 A:TO ratio the past five games, 29/62 (.467%) from 3 since start of 2025.

Edit: forgot I also kind of like Duke’s Sion James as a maybe poor mans Desmond Bane type. Edit2: Also then we can claim he and Flagg are best friends and it's fuel to the fire around Flagg rumors for like five years.


Flagg is so crazy good, and to make it even crazier he won't turn 19 until December 21. He's young for his class.
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Post#748 » by 165bows » Tue Mar 4, 2025 6:45 pm

The Duke Blue Devils have looked like one of the best teams in college basketball this season. While their loaded freshman class has garnered the majority of draft attention, senior guard Sion James has quietly emerged as an intriguing prospect.

He is an extremely physical three-and-D guard who has regularly showcased well-rounded tools that appear translatable to the NBA. Although James has not made a significantly noticeable impact in terms of productivity, his performances throughout the year have consistently shown promise that he could seamlessly fit into a more limited role.

While helping Duke to a 15-2 record, James has averaged 7.6 points, 4.4 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.1 steals while shooting 50.6% from the field, 38.7% from three and 75% from the free-throw line. These impressive shooting splits come from relatively low volume, as he only attempts 5.2 field goals and 1.8 three-pointers per game. However, his ability to understand and excel in his role has been encouraging. He has also demonstrated promising potential as a connective passer and defensive contributor. This combination of scoring, playmaking and defense has built an intriguing case for James as a valuable second-round prospect.

Starting with his scoring, he has excelled as a spot-up shooter who moves well off the ball and can attack strong closeouts off the dribble. His true shooting percentage of 61.5% is the second-best of his career and highlights how efficient he has been in a more confined role after transferring from Tulane. In seven games this year, he has shot at least 50% from three, and while these attempts were on low volume, it offers hope for improvement and maintaining his threat from deep as he increases his shot attempts. Additionally, James uses his strong frame and solid athleticism to finish through contact when attacking the rim. Whether initiating with the ball or making smart cuts, he consistently gathers and elevates off both feet for more control in the paint.

His playmaking has also improved noticeably since ACC play began. He averaged 2.2 assists in non-conference games, but that number has jumped to 3.7 assists in his first seven conference matchups. His ability to penetrate the defense and kick out to open shooters has been impressive. While he has taken on more responsibility as the primary initiator recently, his quick decision-making as a connective passer on the perimeter has remained a standout aspect of his game. If this upward trend in playmaking continues, it will undoubtedly boost his draft stock and solidify his value as a well-rounded guard.

While his offensive tools are promising, James' defense has been the most impressive aspect of his game. He is an athletic, strong and tenacious defender who applies constant pressure on opposing guards. Though his defensive counting stats may not leap off the page, his defensive rating of 87.7 ranks 22nd in the nation, further emphasizing his effectiveness. This performance suggests he could become a versatile defender at the NBA level, capable of staying with guards due to his quickness and harassing taller wings with his strength and activity. His defensive abilities should continue to draw attention and earn him opportunities to showcase his skills at the next level.

In conclusion, Sion James may not be the most talked-about prospect on Duke’s talented roster, but his all-around game, highlighted by his defensive prowess, makes him a player to watch as the 2025 NBA draft approaches. His ability to perform in a defined role, paired with his growing offensive skill set and standout defense, has quietly positioned him as a sleeper prospect. As he continues to gain attention for his contributions, there is little doubt that James will find a way to make an impact at the professional level.


https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/duke-basketball-sion-james-building-on-three-and-d-potential-in-acc-play-nba-draft

Add him to the 3+D list!

Also will only be 22 1/2 on draft night, for a five year college guy he's super young.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#749 » by Hal14 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:16 pm

165bows wrote:
The Duke Blue Devils have looked like one of the best teams in college basketball this season. While their loaded freshman class has garnered the majority of draft attention, senior guard Sion James has quietly emerged as an intriguing prospect.

He is an extremely physical three-and-D guard who has regularly showcased well-rounded tools that appear translatable to the NBA. Although James has not made a significantly noticeable impact in terms of productivity, his performances throughout the year have consistently shown promise that he could seamlessly fit into a more limited role.

While helping Duke to a 15-2 record, James has averaged 7.6 points, 4.4 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.1 steals while shooting 50.6% from the field, 38.7% from three and 75% from the free-throw line. These impressive shooting splits come from relatively low volume, as he only attempts 5.2 field goals and 1.8 three-pointers per game. However, his ability to understand and excel in his role has been encouraging. He has also demonstrated promising potential as a connective passer and defensive contributor. This combination of scoring, playmaking and defense has built an intriguing case for James as a valuable second-round prospect.

Starting with his scoring, he has excelled as a spot-up shooter who moves well off the ball and can attack strong closeouts off the dribble. His true shooting percentage of 61.5% is the second-best of his career and highlights how efficient he has been in a more confined role after transferring from Tulane. In seven games this year, he has shot at least 50% from three, and while these attempts were on low volume, it offers hope for improvement and maintaining his threat from deep as he increases his shot attempts. Additionally, James uses his strong frame and solid athleticism to finish through contact when attacking the rim. Whether initiating with the ball or making smart cuts, he consistently gathers and elevates off both feet for more control in the paint.

His playmaking has also improved noticeably since ACC play began. He averaged 2.2 assists in non-conference games, but that number has jumped to 3.7 assists in his first seven conference matchups. His ability to penetrate the defense and kick out to open shooters has been impressive. While he has taken on more responsibility as the primary initiator recently, his quick decision-making as a connective passer on the perimeter has remained a standout aspect of his game. If this upward trend in playmaking continues, it will undoubtedly boost his draft stock and solidify his value as a well-rounded guard.

While his offensive tools are promising, James' defense has been the most impressive aspect of his game. He is an athletic, strong and tenacious defender who applies constant pressure on opposing guards. Though his defensive counting stats may not leap off the page, his defensive rating of 87.7 ranks 22nd in the nation, further emphasizing his effectiveness. This performance suggests he could become a versatile defender at the NBA level, capable of staying with guards due to his quickness and harassing taller wings with his strength and activity. His defensive abilities should continue to draw attention and earn him opportunities to showcase his skills at the next level.

In conclusion, Sion James may not be the most talked-about prospect on Duke’s talented roster, but his all-around game, highlighted by his defensive prowess, makes him a player to watch as the 2025 NBA draft approaches. His ability to perform in a defined role, paired with his growing offensive skill set and standout defense, has quietly positioned him as a sleeper prospect. As he continues to gain attention for his contributions, there is little doubt that James will find a way to make an impact at the professional level.


https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/duke-basketball-sion-james-building-on-three-and-d-potential-in-acc-play-nba-draft

Add him to the 3+D list!

Also will only be 22 1/2 on draft night, for a five year college guy he's super young.

Idk, might throw Sion James a summer league invite. But I don't think I'd use draft capital on him.

Has a 15.8 usage %. That's insanely low. It's very rare for a non-big man with such a low usage % to get drafted. I think the only recent ones are Jordan Walsh, Dalen Terry and Chris Livingston. Those guys aren't exactly lighting the league on fire.

James kind of reminds me of Jalen Bridges last year. Both older prospects, but despite being really old, they were both really low usage guys which is a red flag - if you're a 22/23 yr old college player who's a guard/wing, you should have a bigger role on offense than like a 15/16 usage. Both guys could defend pretty well, which made some people think they could be good 3&D guys in the NBA.

Older prospects have a lower hit rate in the league. And really low usage guys have a low hit rate in the league. So a prospect who's old and low usage, it's rough..

For the most part, the only prospects who were really low usage in their pre-draft season who actually turned out really well are like elite defenders like Alex Caruso and elite movement shooters like Duncan Robinson. Sion James (and Jalen Bridges) is neither of those.

James is a good defender but I definitely wouldn't say he's an elite one.

And even the shooting is a little suspect with James. While the percentages are good this season, he's 35% from 3 and 70% FT for his career which is just ok. And this season, while he's at 42% from 3, that's on crazy low volume, just 2.9 3PA per 40 mins. For a guard/wing (especially an older guy), anything under 5 for 3PA per 40 mins is low. Under 3 is crazy low.
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Post#750 » by 165bows » Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:23 pm

Hal14 wrote:
165bows wrote:
The Duke Blue Devils have looked like one of the best teams in college basketball this season. While their loaded freshman class has garnered the majority of draft attention, senior guard Sion James has quietly emerged as an intriguing prospect.

He is an extremely physical three-and-D guard who has regularly showcased well-rounded tools that appear translatable to the NBA. Although James has not made a significantly noticeable impact in terms of productivity, his performances throughout the year have consistently shown promise that he could seamlessly fit into a more limited role.

While helping Duke to a 15-2 record, James has averaged 7.6 points, 4.4 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.1 steals while shooting 50.6% from the field, 38.7% from three and 75% from the free-throw line. These impressive shooting splits come from relatively low volume, as he only attempts 5.2 field goals and 1.8 three-pointers per game. However, his ability to understand and excel in his role has been encouraging. He has also demonstrated promising potential as a connective passer and defensive contributor. This combination of scoring, playmaking and defense has built an intriguing case for James as a valuable second-round prospect.

Starting with his scoring, he has excelled as a spot-up shooter who moves well off the ball and can attack strong closeouts off the dribble. His true shooting percentage of 61.5% is the second-best of his career and highlights how efficient he has been in a more confined role after transferring from Tulane. In seven games this year, he has shot at least 50% from three, and while these attempts were on low volume, it offers hope for improvement and maintaining his threat from deep as he increases his shot attempts. Additionally, James uses his strong frame and solid athleticism to finish through contact when attacking the rim. Whether initiating with the ball or making smart cuts, he consistently gathers and elevates off both feet for more control in the paint.

His playmaking has also improved noticeably since ACC play began. He averaged 2.2 assists in non-conference games, but that number has jumped to 3.7 assists in his first seven conference matchups. His ability to penetrate the defense and kick out to open shooters has been impressive. While he has taken on more responsibility as the primary initiator recently, his quick decision-making as a connective passer on the perimeter has remained a standout aspect of his game. If this upward trend in playmaking continues, it will undoubtedly boost his draft stock and solidify his value as a well-rounded guard.

While his offensive tools are promising, James' defense has been the most impressive aspect of his game. He is an athletic, strong and tenacious defender who applies constant pressure on opposing guards. Though his defensive counting stats may not leap off the page, his defensive rating of 87.7 ranks 22nd in the nation, further emphasizing his effectiveness. This performance suggests he could become a versatile defender at the NBA level, capable of staying with guards due to his quickness and harassing taller wings with his strength and activity. His defensive abilities should continue to draw attention and earn him opportunities to showcase his skills at the next level.

In conclusion, Sion James may not be the most talked-about prospect on Duke’s talented roster, but his all-around game, highlighted by his defensive prowess, makes him a player to watch as the 2025 NBA draft approaches. His ability to perform in a defined role, paired with his growing offensive skill set and standout defense, has quietly positioned him as a sleeper prospect. As he continues to gain attention for his contributions, there is little doubt that James will find a way to make an impact at the professional level.


https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/duke-basketball-sion-james-building-on-three-and-d-potential-in-acc-play-nba-draft

Add him to the 3+D list!

Also will only be 22 1/2 on draft night, for a five year college guy he's super young.

Idk, might throw Sion James a summer league invite. But I don't think I'd use draft capital on him.

Has a 15.8 usage %. That's insanely low. It's very rare for a non-big man with such a low usage % to get drafted. I think the only recent ones are Jordan Walsh, Dalen Terry and Chris Livingston. Those guys aren't exactly lighting the league on fire.

James kind of reminds me of Jalen Bridges last year. Both older prospects, but despite being really old, they were both really low usage guys which is a red flag - if you're a 22/23 yr old college player who's a guard/wing, you should have a bigger role on offense than like a 15/16 usage. Both guys could defend pretty well, which made some people think they could be good 3&D guys in the NBA.

Older prospects have a lower hit rate in the league. And really low usage guys have a low hit rate in the league. So a prospect who's old and low usage, it's rough..

For the most part, the only prospects who were really low usage in their pre-draft season who actually turned out really well are like elite defenders like Alex Caruso and elite movement shooters like Duncan Robinson. Sion James (and Jalen Bridges) is neither of those.

James is a good defender but I definitely wouldn't say he's an elite one.

And even the shooting is a little suspect with James. While the percentages are good this season, he's 35% from 3 and 70% FT for his career which is just ok. And this season, while he's at 42% from 3, that's on crazy low volume, just 2.9 3PA per 40 mins. For a guard/wing (especially an older guy), anything under 5 for 3PA per 40 mins is low. Under 3 is crazy low.

Yeah I 'm not talking lotto pick here. But this isn't ten years ago, guys change teams and he could have gone anywhere to jack up shots but instead he chose to go to a Duke program where he knew he wasn't going to be a featured scorer.

Usage is much more about program choice for him at this point. I mean it might be a big deal if his efficiency sucked but Boston has majored in low usage high efficiency guys around Tatum/Brown here and he's been an elite efficiency guy as a 21 year old college player.

Besides you are missing the big point here is an extra opportunity to post about Flagg coming here for the next five years.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#751 » by Hal14 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:32 pm

New bleacher report mock posted today

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25165415-2025-nba-mock-draft-2-round-predictions-pro-comparisons-entering-march-madness

Some interesting options available at our pick 28. They have us taking Clifford at 28, but others who were on the board are Toohey, Karaban, Broome, Beringer, Avdalas, Ian Jackson, Miles Byrd and Kam Jones.

They have us taking Raynaud at 31. That would make Smart2Nesmith happy.

I've mentioned them before, but some prospects I like who are projected to go 28th or later..Jackson, Thomas Haugh and Avdalas.
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Post#752 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Mar 5, 2025 6:38 pm

I was just thinking the front office has excelled at finding 3andD guys who went undrafted. They scooped up Sam Hauser as an UDFA and then acquired Drew Peterson, Justin Champagnie and now (we will see) Miles Norris.

I’m starting to think Brad should swing for upside with our 28 + 31 picks. We should target Danny Wolf, Joan Beringer, Adou Thiero, Miles Byrd, Labaron Philon, JoJo Tugler types where if they hit they are high impact players looking at a 12-18 year career.

Why use draft capital on Alex Karaban or Baylor Scheierman types if you know you can get Sam Hauser, Drew Peterson, Justin Champagnie level 3-D wings for free out of the G? I think Brad needs to swing on guys who will be nothing if they bust but something really good if they hit… because Brad Stevens has now firmly established he can acquire high floor swing men outside of his picks
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Post#753 » by Hal14 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 10:47 pm

Ian Jackson with another big game last night..19 pts, 6/10 FG, 5/8 from 3. 2 assists so he does have some playmaking juice.

No Ceilings new big board he's 32..so certainly could be in play for Boston..we know Brad likes shooters..
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Post#754 » by brackdan70 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 11:39 pm

Hal14 wrote:Ian Jackson with another big game last night..19 pts, 6/10 FG, 5/8 from 3. 2 assists so he does have some playmaking juice.

No Ceilings new big board he's 32..so certainly could be in play for Boston..we know Brad likes shooters..

He also is a very high ranked recruit that under achieved a bit like Davison and Walsh.
I could see a lot of ways he might be Brads type.
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Post#755 » by brackdan70 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:08 am

I would mind an all Texas Tech draft either.
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Post#756 » by djFan71 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:00 am

brackdan70 wrote:I would mind an all Texas Tech draft either.

Toppin's definitely re-growing on me. And Darrion's been my darkhorse guy.

If we can't get Fleming via trade up (unlikely brad move) we're probably gonna look to turn 28 into another 30s pick this year and a future. I'm torn on if I make an exception for Byrd or Carter if they look to be available at 28. Probably do if I was running things.

If not 2 of Beringer, Thiero, Toppin, Broome, Darrion, JoJo, Nique, Proctor, etc is a good restocking of 2-ways.
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Post#757 » by Hal14 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:14 pm

One name I'll throw out there. Chaz Lanier.

-Can shoot the lights out
-Older guy, will be 23 on draft night; Same age as both out draftees (Watson, Scheierman) were last year
-Probably the best player on a top 10 team in college basketball
-For a guy who is mostly just a shooter, he can put the ball on the floor a little bit, has decent quickness/athleticism
-Defense is ok. Not bad, but not great. Everyone has to defend if they play for Rick Barnes - the last 2 guys the celtics had who played for Rick Barnes - Grant Williams and Jaden Springer..guys who play for him play D and they're tough
-Measured 6'4.75" in shoes last year, with 6'9" wingspan..not great size, but he's like a Gary Trent Jr type..w/ some Malik Beasley/Lonnie Walker mixed in
-Older guy, plug and play
-Seems to have a quicker release on his shot..so I'm thinking he'll be more likely to have a smooth transition to the NBA shooting-wise than Scheierman, who often needs more time/space to square himself up and launch the ball

Lanier is a volume shooter. We won't need to tell him "hey man, we want you to work on your shooting, we want you to feel like you have the green light to let it fly" like we said to Walsh, Tillman and Watson. Similar to Scheirman, Lanier would be coming in from Day 1, already having that "green light to shoot" mentality

The other difference with Lanier vs Scheirman - Lanier seems to be a bit stronger, more athletic, quicker and better defender..not as good a passer, though..but you can't have everything picking this late in the draft

I wouldn't hate it if we took Lanier in the 2nd round.

1st round, I might take him late 1st, but that might be a reach..

If we took Lanier and he "hits". A bench unit with Pritchard, Lanier and Hauser could be lethal. Both teams would have their bench units in and we'd crush opponents by raining 3's on them.
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Post#758 » by redslastlaugh » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:32 pm

Jayson Tatum has elite on court lineup data with Sam and Payton, so seems like Chaz Lanier could be a Sam Hauser type of catch and shoot guy. Eddie House played that role of unconscious gunner with Paul Pierce and was highly effective. The risk with this archetype is that they can’t defend or they can’t maintain their shooting percentages against NBA level defenders.

Hal14 wrote:One name I'll throw out there. Chaz Lanier.

-Can shoot the lights out
-Older guy, will be 23 on draft night; Same age as both out draftees (Watson, Scheierman) were last year
-Probably the best player on a top 10 team in college basketball
-For a guy who is mostly just a shooter, he can put the ball on the floor a little bit, has decent quickness/athleticism
-Defense is ok. Not bad, but not great. …

1st round, I might take him late 1st, but that might be a reach..

If we took Lanier and he "hits". A bench unit with Pritchard, Lanier and Hauser could be lethal. Both teams would have their bench units in and we'd crush opponents by raining 3's on them.
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Post#759 » by 165bows » Thu Mar 6, 2025 4:15 pm



My man Sion James, this is produced by Duke's official channel.

First 20 seconds, they say he is Duke's PG.

Draft this guy up, 6'6" PG who can play point next to a dominant wing player. Play great versatile D, flash the guns at people, hit shots, basic "smashing into guys" stuff.
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Post#760 » by phincsfan » Thu Mar 6, 2025 4:21 pm

165bows wrote:

My man Sion James, this is produced by Duke's official channel.

First 20 seconds, they say he is Duke's PG.

Draft this guy up, 6'6" PG who can play point next to a dominant wing player. Play great versatile D, flash the guns at people, hit shots, basic "smashing into guys" stuff.


I'd rather Proctor if he declares for the draft.

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