Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Horst Given Extension

[Matches Malone]

Wonder what you guys thought of Marjon Beauchamp. Did he show the defensive potential to get minutes from someone like Thibs?

By the end of his tenure in Milwaukee, he was one of the worst NBA players I've watched in a minute. Confidence is shot.

[JayMKE]

Marjon didn’t do anything particularly well and fill any niche as a role player. Tried to do too much and would lose confidence quick

[cgf]

Much appreciated! I guess we'll see if he's been humbled and Thibs can rebuild his confidence, but it doesn't sound like he's likely to jump Shamet as a stand-in when injuries hit our wings.

[Ron Swanson]

Don't get why we're so focused on these older players for our two-way spots rather than that 20-23 year old range that usually yields the unearthed diamonds. Badji is still the perfect guy to get on a two-way and try and develop. Just give it to him and dump Umude. He sucks.

[chonestown]

Wonder what you guys thought of Marjon Beauchamp. Did he show the defensive potential to get minutes from someone like Thibs?

I think he might benefit from a couple years overseas. Has raw talent but hasn't harnessed it and when his confidence is shook - which is often - it's visible to all. Needs a fresh start and I don't think merely going to a new NBA team is that fresh start.

[Bernman]

I don't think Marjon's issue was confidence, rather i.q. on and off the court. He has little feel for the game, maybe because of his years of not playing organized ball. And he's deluded himself into thinking he's a core player cuz he scored 81 in a Pro-Am.

[El Pooch Grande]

So, has there been any rumblings of us bringing PJ back?

[MickeyDavis]

So, has there been any rumblings of us bringing PJ back?

No. He hasn't played in a year. He's done.

[soboMP3]

No idea what site this is, but there were rumblings the Celtics would go after him... https://twsn.net/2025/03/04/pj-tucker-signed-boston-celtics/

[stillgotgame]

I don't think Marjon's issue was confidence, rather i.q. on and off the court. He has little feel for the game, maybe because of his years of not playing organized ball. And he's deluded himself into thinking he's a core player cuz he scored 81 in a Pro-Am.

Yep. He just needs to understand who he is and play hard. I think with the right mindset he could make it in the NBA but that's probably true for a lot of guys.

[jmuelly]

I really hope this kid makes it if only so i can yell BooYeah every time he makes a bucket. I dont see that getting old.

This is even better than yelling Yoho if he closes a game out.

[WeMajor34]

The MarJon "good ol' days" were his first two summer league stints where he showed promise and in November 2022 during his rookie season. The Minnesota-OKC-Atlanta stretch was fun that month. Literally didn't get better than that run.

A flat-out bad pick. Some useful to good players picked after MarJon: Nikola Jovic, Peyton Watson, Andrew Nembhard, Jaylin Williams, Max Christie, Jaden Hardy, Moussa Diabate, Ryan Rollins (lol), and Vince Williams Jr.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaucma01/gamelog/2023

[DingleJerry]

I'll never get why a team in 'win now' mode desperately needing cheap contributors along with youth/athleticism when they occasionally got a 1st rd pick chose to use it on guys who were developmental high upside swings who would need at least a couple years of development, rather than projected higher floor with hopes of immediate contributions. Should've just been looking for role players with those picks

[Profound23]

I'll never get why a team in 'win now' mode desperately needing cheap contributors along with youth/athleticism when they occasionally got a 1st rd pick chose to use it on guys who were developmental high upside swings who would need at least a couple years of development, rather than projected higher floor with hopes of immediate contributions. Should've just been looking for role players with those picks

They found Giannis and then spent every draft pick after that either trading for vets or trying to find the next Giannis.

It's like winning the lottery and then spending your lotto winnings trying to win again. If they really wanted to gamble, once they had an inkling Giannis was a Superstar (I am guessing 2017 or 2018) you trade as many future picks as you can to move up into the top 3 and get yourself another potential star.

[DingleJerry]

I'll never get why a team in 'win now' mode desperately needing cheap contributors along with youth/athleticism when they occasionally got a 1st rd pick chose to use it on guys who were developmental high upside swings who would need at least a couple years of development, rather than projected higher floor with hopes of immediate contributions. Should've just been looking for role players with those picks

They found Giannis and then spent every draft pick after that either trading for vets or trying to find the next Giannis.

It's like winning the lottery and then spending your lotto winnings trying to win again. If they really wanted to gamble, once they had an inkling Giannis was a Superstar (I am guessing 2017 or 2018) you trade as many future picks as you can to move up into the top 3 and get yourself another potential star.

Right, swing for the fences when you sucked like the did with Giannis was fine. Marjawn and the guy last year, all you needed was contributors. Funny the only picks that have had any success with us were the lower upside safe contributor role players in Brogdon/DDV

[Ron Swanson]

I don't know how anyone can say Marjon was a "swing for the fences" type pick. Dude was a 22-year old rookie and fit a very specific 3&D role-player archetype. His draft profile never screamed "high upside" in the slightest. I've maintained that Horst's biggest issue with drafting is that he tends to fall in love with specific archetypes while focusing too much on immediate need. AJ Johnson was probably the first pick he ever made that bucked that trend.

[DingleJerry]

I don't know how anyone can say Marjon was a "swing for the fences" type pick. Dude was a 22-year old rookie and fit a very specific 3&D role-player archetype. His draft profile never screamed "high upside" in the slightest. I've maintained that Horst's biggest issue with drafting is that he tends to fall in love with specific archetypes while focusing too much on immediate need. AJ Johnson was probably the first pick he ever made that bucked that trend.

Yea I would've agreed with that. But to them it was, get this guy late in the draft because he didn't play the last couple years and hope he's actually like a top 5 pick because he was ranked high in HS. So the hope that he was an under the radar star in the future. Vs just taking a guy you think can play a role very soon, even if he has no star potential. But yea people like us, went uh he's 22 already and has barely played any basketball lately

[-Jragon-]

I'll never get why a team in 'win now' mode desperately needing cheap contributors along with youth/athleticism when they occasionally got a 1st rd pick chose to use it on guys who were developmental high upside swings who would need at least a couple years of development, rather than projected higher floor with hopes of immediate contributions. Should've just been looking for role players with those picks

They found Giannis and then spent every draft pick after that either trading for vets or trying to find the next Giannis.

It's like winning the lottery and then spending your lotto winnings trying to win again. If they really wanted to gamble, once they had an inkling Giannis was a Superstar (I am guessing 2017 or 2018) you trade as many future picks as you can to move up into the top 3 and get yourself another potential star.

Right, swing for the fences when you sucked like the did with Giannis was fine. Marjawn and the guy last year, all you needed was contributors. Funny the only picks that have had any success with us were the lower upside safe contributor role players in Brogdon/DDV

AJJ showing a couple flashes got a stupid team to give us their best player for him ... even attached to a horrific player option contract. I think it worked out fine..

[paulpressey25]

I'll never get why a team in 'win now' mode desperately needing cheap contributors along with youth/athleticism when they occasionally got a 1st rd pick chose to use it on guys who were developmental high upside swings who would need at least a couple years of development, rather than projected higher floor with hopes of immediate contributions. Should've just been looking for role players with those picks

Thon, cough, over Sabonis.

Now that one was on Hammond, Kidd, Lasry and not necessarily Horst. But that was our killer draft mistake of the past decade.

Would Sabonis have worked here given his defensive limitations? Don't know, but at worst he was one hell of a trade asset. Solid, solid player.

[MickeyDavis]

I didn't realize Thon is in the G League this year. 27 games, shooting 22% from the floor, 40% from the FT line. He's only "28"