2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[lilfishi22]

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I don't get this. We're not winning with Dunn/Oso, we're not winning without Dunn/Oso, so might as well play them

[lilfishi22]

I can see Dudley being a good HC actually.

I'd prefer giving Dudley a shot over Billups.

[lilfishi22]

What a blow for Mavs. They need a full rebuild now, but their FO will probably try to get someone like KD to help AD keep DAL relevant until Kyrie's back. Of course they'll never be a true contender with three brittle players, but can't go in rebuild mode either so soon after trading 26yo superstar. Apparently FO raised ticket prices too. They desperately need to put a winning product to not lose whatever fanbase has left. In offseason send them KD, Allen, Royce for every pick you can get back.

Please do. That said, a healthy AD, KD and Kyrie would be devastating imo. A much better fit positionally than the Big 3 we're running. Just a matter of availability. Can never trust AD's health, Kyrie's injury is real bummer and KD has been relatively healthy but you just never know when Father Times comes a knockin

[MrMiyagi]

Feels bad to pray Houston gets walloped in the playoffs so we can offload KD onto them. Even with Dallas crumpling, I doubt that we even make the play-in.

[lilfishi22]

Feels bad to pray Houston gets walloped in the playoffs so we can offload KD onto them. Even with Dallas crumpling, I doubt that we even make the play-in.

And if we don't make play-ins over Dallas, oh boy...

[MrMiyagi]

Feels bad to pray Houston gets walloped in the playoffs so we can offload KD onto them. Even with Dallas crumpling, I doubt that we even make the play-in.

And if we don't make play-ins over Dallas, oh boy...

Asking us to win 4 more games than Dallas until the end of the season seems like a tall order given our current performances.

[Revived]

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Imagine if Nico Harrison had a fixation with KD instead of AD….Booker and Luka together would set this team for next 10-15 years.

[Slim Charless]

Feels bad to pray Houston gets walloped in the playoffs so we can offload KD onto them. Even with Dallas crumpling, I doubt that we even make the play-in.

*Houston, OKC and Miami. We really need a 4-way of teams. Those 3 and Dallas all bidding for him could change our team overnight if our front office doesn't do anything stupid.

Detroit and Orlando additionally if we want some possible Booker teams getting desperate.

It'll be a lot for us to root for this playoff season.

[Rebound Mound]

My thoughts on other members' thoughts:
- you cannot fight bad luck. I mean, AD, Gafford, Lively III, Moses Brown and then Kyrie. I mean, what are the chances of trading Luka and then get all those injuries, except that of Lively, who already had it before the trade?
- hey, Billups and Dudley meet the requirement: thety are both black, which seems like a indispensable requisite to coach the Suns now... OMG!!!
- if we trade for OKC players, we should know that some players excel in particular systems. OKC players are good at defending, running an unpredictable offense, etc. They would never be the same outside that, as teams have learned over the years with all former Heat players as Vincent, Struss, etc. Outside that Spolestra universe they are other players...
- it is so nice to select young players, find a good coach, dedicate time to players development and then see the team grow and win more and more... I mean, it would be ugly and sad see the Rockets trying a shortcut to the Finals or something by renting KD and then loosing like 10 years of future.
- I do not think KD at this point is going to make any team a candidate unless the array of talent within the roster is so high that winning is almost the only option, as when he was in Golden State... he is a black hole in offense. I am not saying he is playing bad. He is playing great, but most of what he does is not for the team, but for himself...
- I do not like the idea of trading KD and/or Beal for picks. I do not think we can wait for the young to develope and be competitive enough before Booker declines. That seems obvious. I believe our best chances would be to trade them for other players who can fit well with Booker and the rest of the roster to be competitive.
Trading Beal for a good PG or a good PF could be enough for us to have a good chance at something. Also retooling the roster would be convenient. I mean, one of Oneale and Allen should be gone for a real guard. I believe a roster of PG-Booker-KD-Bol-Richards and PG-SG-Allen-PF-Plumlee with Gillespie+Dunn+Oso would be good enough to challenge anyone in the West, depending on who are those PGs and SGs and PF.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This is just so grotesquely stupid that it's really almost unimaginable! Ishbia and Isiah Thomas should be banned from the NBA for life with Ishbia being forced to sell the team to the league office itself until a competent NBA owner can he identified and put into place!!

It just blows my mind that this guy could be so unbelievably delusional! 15 yr rebuild incoming in the next 2-3 years. There needs to he a massive boycott and protests until he sells the team! He's going to go down as the worst owner in Arizona history by a wide margin!

EFFIN' TED STEPIEN 2.0!!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[bwgood77]

Geez there are a lot of pages since I last checked in, so I might be saying something that has been said.

It looks like we might make the play in now, not because we are good enough, but because in addition to AD, Lively and Gafford being out, Kyrie tore his ACL (('m sure that's not news here).

Positive for Dallas is they have their draft pick this year. They almost might as well tank.

Of course we'd still have to finish ahead of Portland, who beat us the last 2 times we played. If not for Wemby being out, SA would probably get it. So we may get saved by injuries once again, at least to play 1 or 2 games in the play ins. I don't see us winning 2 of them or getting up to 8th where we'd have to win 1 (or winning that one if we did get it).

But who knows, maybe Sabonis, Edwards, and Kawhi will all go down to help our chances of getting a first round matchup and getting 4 games there.

[lilfishi22]

Geez there are a lot of pages since I last checked in, so I might be saying something that has been said.

It looks like we might make the play in now, not because we are good enough, but because in addition to AD, Lively and Gafford being out, Kyrie tore his ACL (('m sure that's not news here).

Positive for Dallas is they have their draft pick this year. They almost might as well tank.

Of course we'd still have to finish ahead of Portland, who beat us the last 2 times we played. If not for Wemby being out, SA would probably get it. So we may get saved by injuries once again, at least to play 1 or 2 games in the play ins. I don't see us winning 2 of them or getting up to 8th where we'd have to win 1 (or winning that one if we did get it).

But who knows, maybe Sabonis, Edwards, and Kawhi will all go down to help our chances of getting a first round matchup and getting 4 games there.

At this point, I completely see the merit in just going for it (nothing to lose) and hopefully make playoffs and maybe make some noise (high unlikely) but I also wonder if it's better to just miss play-ins altogether in spite of all these gifts we're getting with players going down left and right. I'm very much of the view that this team needs of a real change in direction this offseason and I worry making playoffs will give Ishbia hope to keep on keeping on

I can't imagine Ishbia is feeling great but he almost has to hurt I feel like

[TeamTragic]

Warriors beat the Knicks and are now firmly in the playoffs. I guess that Butler is not hot garbage.

Maybe the Suns FO can take notes. Clearly they have no clue how to build a team.

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[thamadkant]

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This is just so grotesquely stupid that it's really almost unimaginable! Ishbia and Isiah Thomas should be banned from the NBA for life with Ishbia being forced to sell the team to the league office itself until a competent NBA owner can he identified and put into place!!

It just blows my mind that this guy could be so unbelievably delusional! 15 yr rebuild incoming in the next 2-3 years. There needs to he a massive boycott and protests until he sells the team! He's going to go down as the worst owner in Arizona history by a wide margin!

EFFIN' TED STEPIEN 2.0!!!

Suns hopefully are just drumming up Booker's value.

Because he stinks as a first option player.

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This is just so grotesquely stupid that it's really almost unimaginable! Ishbia and Isiah Thomas should be banned from the NBA for life with Ishbia being forced to sell the team to the league office itself until a competent NBA owner can he identified and put into place!!

It just blows my mind that this guy could be so unbelievably delusional! 15 yr rebuild incoming in the next 2-3 years. There needs to he a massive boycott and protests until he sells the team! He's going to go down as the worst owner in Arizona history by a wide margin!

EFFIN' TED STEPIEN 2.0!!!

The grass is not always greener..


Sarver>Ishbia.

[mkot]

Geez there are a lot of pages since I last checked in, so I might be saying something that has been said.

It looks like we might make the play in now, not because we are good enough, but because in addition to AD, Lively and Gafford being out, Kyrie tore his ACL (('m sure that's not news here).

Positive for Dallas is they have their draft pick this year. They almost might as well tank.

Of course we'd still have to finish ahead of Portland, who beat us the last 2 times we played. If not for Wemby being out, SA would probably get it. So we may get saved by injuries once again, at least to play 1 or 2 games in the play ins. I don't see us winning 2 of them or getting up to 8th where we'd have to win 1 (or winning that one if we did get it).

But who knows, maybe Sabonis, Edwards, and Kawhi will all go down to help our chances of getting a first round matchup and getting 4 games there.

That's the spirit and I'm serious

Not hoping for injury but we can't tank so we just need to keep riding this out and things might go our way. And who knows maybe more injury to other teams or we get some hot shooting nights and we win 2 games and make it to the PO

Ride this **** out, then offseason trade KD for picks, trade Book for picks preferably our picks, keep Beal as our tank commender and start rebuilding

[garrick]

I guess no one is watching the game tonight but both KD and Book are not even trying on defense and giving up open drives to the rim or open jumpers it's just disgusting to watch.

No hands up no attempts to rotate on defense and on top of it all KD has the gall to get pissed at coach Bud for calling him out.

We are getting embarrassed on national TV and if that doesn't make our superstars ashamed and fight harder to win nothing will, unfortunately opponents will look at KD's bad attitude and cause them to not really offer enough value back in a potential trade package.

It's just pathetic and I am done with this team until a major overhaul of this front office and roster is complete. Terrible!

[mkot]

We are getting embarrassed on national TV and if that doesn't make our superstars ashamed and fight harder to win nothing will,

Instead of fighting harder they just pout and quit.

Beal out with soreness