Goodbye My Beloved Mavs.

[GermanFan120]

Goodbye...

Ky's injury is the final blow.

I cannot take this anymore.

If Nico is not fired by tomorrow, then basically it is confirmed that the owners and Nico purposely wanted to destroy this team so their hidden agenda whatever that is can come true.

The curse of Luka trade will last for 15 - 20 years.

We just entered the forever darkness, there is no light, there is no hope, and this is only the beginning.

Bye my fellow Mavs fans.

[Captain_Obvious]

Just go ahead and void the team, Silver

We had a good run. Time of death: night of February 1–2, 2025

[bledredwine]

They traded Luka for an injury specialist

Kyrie got injured

They raised prices by 9 percent


My sincere sympathy. That sucks man.
This is probably even worse than our Rose injury and the ensuing torture.

At least you do have AD and Kyrie, if they can be healthy and a tandem.

[Mr B]

They seriously should just dissolve the team. Is anyone actually watching any of the remaining games?

[maverick_41]

I know someday you'll have a beautiful life
I know you'll be a star
In somebody else's sky
But why
Why
Why can't it be
Why can't it be mine

[41Dirk41]

Probably we will never pass this pain...maybe we can step over it.

But just after Harrison head will be cutted.

[joesha1698]

Here is what I posted about Kyrie in the general board:

He will be back from this injury. He should start rehabbing now and have surgery asap. As a free agent next year (his selling point to teams should be that he has changed his game to reduce injuries) which is something I have been calling for - for years. What do I suggest?

1. He primarily should score moving off the ball ala Allen Iverson and Rip Hamilton.
2. When the ball in his hands he should take a page out of Jason Kidd's book. Push the ball and look for others others. Become a pass first point guard with the ball in his hands.
3. In 4th quarters in the final 7 minutes - he should play more freely which includes attacking.

I thought he should have done this about 2-3 years ago to be honest. If there is a silver lining in this injury its that Kyrie is an exceptionally talented player and could easily average 18ppg and 10app - and be just as effective on the court - if he puts his mind to it...and if he stays with Dallas - Jason Kidd could really help him refine his passing skills.

Good luck Kyrie!

[joesha1698]

Goodbye...

Ky's injury is the final blow.

I cannot take this anymore.

If Nico is not fired by tomorrow, then basically it is confirmed that the owners and Nico purposely wanted to destroy this team so their hidden agenda whatever that is can come true.

The curse of Luka trade will last for 15 - 20 years.

We just entered the forever darkness, there is no light, there is no hope, and this is only the beginning.

Bye my fellow Mavs fans.

If the owners have an agenda, they have an agenda. We will see. I think Kyrie needs to change his game next year (if he's able to come back) I think he should be pass first and then score in the half court off screens mostly. In the meantime, when healthy we still have some good pieces, we have all off-season to get better. I think we need to focus on health and keeping guys healthy.

[41Dirk41]

Hi Joesha, how are you? Are you happy with the new ball movement and all defense on the court?
I hope so!

You, and few others, deserve all this ****. Badly.

Enjoy.

[joesha1698]

Hi Joesha, how are you? Are you happy with the new ball movement and all defense on the court?
I hope so!

You, and few others, deserve all this ****. Badly.

Enjoy.

Hello,

I'm fine. I hope you're doing well.

I was watching the game when Kyrie got a hurt. I couldn't even watch the free throws. It is what it is.

Like my comment above, I had suggested Kyrie be used more off the ball at this stage of his career. If Kyrie is here next year - I hope he changes his game and becomes pass-first and a off the ball scorer. I think this will extend his career and help him avoid injuries. I would say the same to AD. There's a reason Malone and Stockon stayed so healthy. Their games were very simple. I would tell A.D. and Kyrie (even if he's not back) to keep your movements simple - pick and roll and use that jump shot. Later in games, if needed, attack a little bit. But only if needed. Prioritize your health. Pick and roll, mid-range jumpers, and let your shooters shoot. 4th quarters become more aggressive if needed.

As for myself and others deserving this, come on bro. Us fans have no control over organizational decisions or injuries. Luka was traded because the ownership didn't want to pay him. Kyrie got injured because (wear and tear, accident, slim body etc) and A.D. kinda has the same issues. I hope management understands this and gets both of them or at least A.D to change his game going into next season.

[arkuo]

Time to tank!

[Bob8]

Hi Joesha, how are you? Are you happy with the new ball movement and all defense on the court?
I hope so!

You, and few others, deserve all this ****. Badly.

Enjoy.

Hello,

I'm fine. I hope you're doing well.

I was watching the game when Kyrie got a hurt. I couldn't even watch the free throws. It is what it is.

Like my comment above, I had suggested Kyrie be used more off the ball at this stage of his career. If Kyrie is here next year - I hope he changes his game and becomes pass-first and a off the ball scorer. I think this will extend his career and help him avoid injuries. I would say the same to AD. There's a reason Malone and Stockon stayed so healthy. Their games were very simple. I would tell A.D. and Kyrie (even if he's not back) to keep your movements simple - pick and roll and use that jump shot. Later in games, if needed, attack a little bit. But only if needed. Prioritize your health. Pick and roll, mid-range jumpers, and let your shooters shoot. 4th quarters become more aggressive if needed.

As for myself and others deserving this, come on bro. Us fans have no control over organizational decisions or injuries. Luka was traded because the ownership didn't want to pay him. Kyrie got injured because (wear and tear, accident, slim body etc) and A.D. kinda has the same issues. I hope management understands this and gets both of them or at least A.D to change his game going into next season.

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

[joesha1698]

Hi Joesha, how are you? Are you happy with the new ball movement and all defense on the court?
I hope so!

You, and few others, deserve all this ****. Badly.

Enjoy.

Hello,

I'm fine. I hope you're doing well.

I was watching the game when Kyrie got a hurt. I couldn't even watch the free throws. It is what it is.

Like my comment above, I had suggested Kyrie be used more off the ball at this stage of his career. If Kyrie is here next year - I hope he changes his game and becomes pass-first and a off the ball scorer. I think this will extend his career and help him avoid injuries. I would say the same to AD. There's a reason Malone and Stockon stayed so healthy. Their games were very simple. I would tell A.D. and Kyrie (even if he's not back) to keep your movements simple - pick and roll and use that jump shot. Later in games, if needed, attack a little bit. But only if needed. Prioritize your health. Pick and roll, mid-range jumpers, and let your shooters shoot. 4th quarters become more aggressive if needed.

As for myself and others deserving this, come on bro. Us fans have no control over organizational decisions or injuries. Luka was traded because the ownership didn't want to pay him. Kyrie got injured because (wear and tear, accident, slim body etc) and A.D. kinda has the same issues. I hope management understands this and gets both of them or at least A.D to change his game going into next season.

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

[Bob8]

Hello,

I'm fine. I hope you're doing well.

I was watching the game when Kyrie got a hurt. I couldn't even watch the free throws. It is what it is.

Like my comment above, I had suggested Kyrie be used more off the ball at this stage of his career. If Kyrie is here next year - I hope he changes his game and becomes pass-first and a off the ball scorer. I think this will extend his career and help him avoid injuries. I would say the same to AD. There's a reason Malone and Stockon stayed so healthy. Their games were very simple. I would tell A.D. and Kyrie (even if he's not back) to keep your movements simple - pick and roll and use that jump shot. Later in games, if needed, attack a little bit. But only if needed. Prioritize your health. Pick and roll, mid-range jumpers, and let your shooters shoot. 4th quarters become more aggressive if needed.

As for myself and others deserving this, come on bro. Us fans have no control over organizational decisions or injuries. Luka was traded because the ownership didn't want to pay him. Kyrie got injured because (wear and tear, accident, slim body etc) and A.D. kinda has the same issues. I hope management understands this and gets both of them or at least A.D to change his game going into next season.

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

There's no way he will play off ball with Exum and Dinwiddie as playmakers and there isn't in reality any Pg available, who's even remotely capable of running Mavs offense. Idiot Nico traded the best Pg in the league for injury prone big, that's the end of the story. Next year is already gone. We can talk about 26/27 season, with 3 injury prone grandpas running the show, nobody capable of running Mavs offense.

[HMFFL]

Hello,

I'm fine. I hope you're doing well.

I was watching the game when Kyrie got a hurt. I couldn't even watch the free throws. It is what it is.

Like my comment above, I had suggested Kyrie be used more off the ball at this stage of his career. If Kyrie is here next year - I hope he changes his game and becomes pass-first and a off the ball scorer. I think this will extend his career and help him avoid injuries. I would say the same to AD. There's a reason Malone and Stockon stayed so healthy. Their games were very simple. I would tell A.D. and Kyrie (even if he's not back) to keep your movements simple - pick and roll and use that jump shot. Later in games, if needed, attack a little bit. But only if needed. Prioritize your health. Pick and roll, mid-range jumpers, and let your shooters shoot. 4th quarters become more aggressive if needed.

As for myself and others deserving this, come on bro. Us fans have no control over organizational decisions or injuries. Luka was traded because the ownership didn't want to pay him. Kyrie got injured because (wear and tear, accident, slim body etc) and A.D. kinda has the same issues. I hope management understands this and gets both of them or at least A.D to change his game going into next season.

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

Kyrie is his best with the ball in his hands and you want him to play off the ball? Interesting.

This off-season:
-Kyrie will opt out and leave.
-Kyrie will opt in to be moved to the destination he desires.

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[joesha1698]

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

There's no way he will play off ball with Exum and Dinwiddie as playmakers and there isn't in reality any Pg available, who's even remotely capable of running Mavs offense. Idiot Nico traded the best Pg in the league for injury prone big, that's the end of the story. Next year is already gone. We can talk about 26/27 season, with 3 injury prone grandpas running the show, nobody capable of running Mavs offense.

I disagree. Kyrie (if back and healthy) should be our primary point guard but play more like a pass first guy most of the game. I'm thinking John Stockton/Jason Kidd/Steve Nash. However, once the game settles down in the half court - he should be pick and roll with A.D and move without the ball when he's looking for his shot. We have a whole off-season to find another ball handler that can help out. A lot of decisions will be made by next year. We have a lot of pieces we can move.

Keepers:
AD (game needs to change as well to prioritize health, think more Karl Malone, where like Kyrie he avoids the explosive plays)
Irving (if he's healthy and it makes sense to bring him back, needs to change his game to extend his career)
Caleb Martin
Max Christie
Lively
Klay

50/50 could move or stay
Pj Washington -6th man if he's not moved.
Gafford
Marshall
Powell
Prosper
Hardy

Those guys in the move category could fetch us a lot of players to build this team around.

Kyrie - change change to pass-first most of the time.
Klay - shooter
Christie - POA defender
AD - play more like Karl Malone to avoid injuries
Lively - bring in serviceable stater in case of injuries.

Bench:
PG - passer, defender, 3-point shooter. Could bring Exum but i would look for someone younger and less injury prone
SG - Martin - would share minutes with Klay and Christie
SF - Washington / Prosper - I slightly prefer Washington over Marshall because of rebounding, 3point shooter, and his ability to play SF/PF.
PF - Washington -/Prosper
C - I would add a backup center who's a veteran and can step in if Lively gets hurt.


Note: If KD is available, you have to consider it as long as you don't have to give up Lively. With that being said, we gotta make sure we're young enough as well. If I can have Lively, Ad, KD, Klay, and Kyrie. I'm good with that. While adding a backup pg thats not injury prone, martin, Christie, prosper, adding more shooting at PF, decent backup big. I'm good with that. As long as we add enough youth around the edges.

[joesha1698]

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

Kyrie is his best with the ball in his hands and you want him to play off the ball? Interesting.

This off-season:
-Kyrie will opt out and leave.
-Kyrie will opt in to be moved to the destination he desires.

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Just to be clear about the Kyrie thing. I want the ball in his hands. I just do not want him going one on one in the half court unless its absolutely necessary. This is so he can avoid injuries as he ages and recovers. Last 5 minutes of the 4th or what not, he can be a little more aggressive but for the most part he needs to change his game, imo. I prefer he scores in the half court off the pick and roll with A.D, pull up 3's on the break, or coming off screens where he's looking for that mid-range jumper ala Jason Terry/ Rip Hamilton. Now, all of this is contingent on him being healthy and the Mavs re-signing him. I have no idea what happens there.

[Bob8]

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

There's no way he will play off ball with Exum and Dinwiddie as playmakers and there isn't in reality any Pg available, who's even remotely capable of running Mavs offense. Idiot Nico traded the best Pg in the league for injury prone big, that's the end of the story. Next year is already gone. We can talk about 26/27 season, with 3 injury prone grandpas running the show, nobody capable of running Mavs offense.

I disagree. Kyrie (if back and healthy) should be our primary point guard but play more like a pass first guy most of the game. I'm thinking John Stockton/Jason Kidd/Steve Nash. However, once the game settles down in the half court - he should be pick and roll with A.D and move without the ball when he's looking for his shot. We have a whole off-season to find another ball handler that can help out. A lot of decisions will be made by next year. We have a lot of pieces we can move.

Keepers:
AD (game needs to change as well)
Irving (if he's healthy and it makes sense, his game needs to change)
Caleb Martin
Max Christie
Lively
Klay

50/50 could move or stay
Pj Washington - if he's not moved.
Gafford
Marshall
Powell
Prosper
Hardy

Those guys in the move category could fetch us a lot of players to build this team around.

Kyrie - point first more
Klay - shooter
Christie - POA defender
AD - play more like Karl Malone to avoid injuries
Lively - starter but bring in a backup that can stretch the floor/rebound

Bench:
PG - passer, defender, 3-point shooter. Could bring Exum but i would look for someone younger and less injury prone
SG - Martin - would share minutes with Klay and Christie
SF - Washington / Prosper - I slightly prefer Washington over Marshall because of rebounding, 3point shooter, and his ability to play SF/PF.
PF - Washington -/Prosper
C - I would add a backup center who's a veteran and can step in if Lively gets hurt.

Kyrie is not true floor general, he never was and he never will be. He's fantastic Iso player though. You can't make something that he never was from 33 years old player.

That team on paper looks good, but there're 3 big problems,

1. Not enough creativity in starting lineup. There're are 4 players that need someone to create for them, and 1, who mostly creates for himself.

2. Kyrie and AD are great second option for a contender, but neither are real first option.

3. You have 4 injury prone players in the starting lineup, 3 old ones.

KD will have no interest coming in Dallas, knowing that Kyrie will be out for more or less the whole season. And even if he comes, do you really believe that you can play 4 injury prone grandpas together and win something? You traded Luka, because D wins championships and you will have 3 bad defenders in starting lineup?

[Mr B]

Probably we will never pass this pain...maybe we can step over it.

But just after Harrison head will be cutted.

Honestly I was just as hurt in ‘95 when the Mavs traded a 23 year old Jason Kidd. I just didn’t have social media to express how upset I was. Took me several years to get over that trade. Honestly I don’t think I ever REALLY got over it until Kidd came back at the end of his career.

[Mr B]

They could play like you want only if Luka was there. With heliocentric offense you hate that much.

In fairness to me, I was saying they should play Kyrie off the ball last year when Luka was here. Defenses are getting taller and taller - and i see no reason a 6-2-6-3 guy should be trying to score over guys 4-5 inches taller than him in the hall court. That's a recipe for bad shooting nights and injuries. I really would love to see Kyrie become a pass first guy (like when J. Kidd was playing) and just score abt 18ppg, and 10apg. I can envision an offense where Kyrie is pushing it down court (looking for shooters and cutters) using the pick and roll in the half court and moving off the ball for jumpers. I wish he made the transition quicker.

Kyrie is his best with the ball in his hands and you want him to play off the ball? Interesting.

This off-season:
-Kyrie will opt out and leave.
-Kyrie will opt in to be moved to the destination he desires.

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It’s likely Kyrie opts in and spends the first half of next season rehabbing. Then he can come back after the All Star break, get back in rhythm and showcase himself for free agency in ‘26.