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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#101 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Mar 5, 2025 11:59 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Hart tricked everyone, he was making threes, then regression to the mean popped up. He's basically unplayable if there's a center on the floor with him that can't shoot.

It's not necessarily his fault individually, but the offense just can't function with two non-floor spacers.

Katz highlighted it by breaking down lineup data recently on KFS.

Hart and Mitch's minutes need to be staggered. If we intend to play Hart starter minutes, then Mitch can only play backup minutes behind KAT. And if we do need more rim protection/size, then Hart's minutes need to be significantly reduced.

This is 2025.
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Post#102 » by Reign23 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 12:01 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Hart tricked everyone, he was making threes, then regression to the mean popped up. He's basically unplayable if there's a center on the floor with him that can't shoot.

It's not necessarily his fault individually, but the offense just can't function with two non-floor spacers.

Katz highlighted it by breaking down lineup data recently on KFS.

Hart and Mitch's minutes need to be staggered. If we intend to play Hart starter minutes, then Mitch can only play backup minutes behind KAT. And if we do need more rim protection/size, then Hart's minutes need to be significantly reduced.

This is 2025.

agree. and Mikals outside shooting is disappointing af as well.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#103 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Mar 5, 2025 12:02 pm

This team is going absolutely nowhere without KAT. He saved our season.

Hopefully he and his family are ok but you never like to hear the word cancer unless it's destroying the Brooklyn Nets from the inside.
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Post#104 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Mar 5, 2025 12:07 pm

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Post#106 » by Guano » Wed Mar 5, 2025 12:22 pm

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I can't believe you have been coming at my guy Grimes while supporting this guy all season. Was it the cool rebounds? What do you see in him?


unfortunately your boy grimes couldn't handle the pressure of playing significant mins on a successful team - but i'm sure he'll give philly nice stats every other game as he mans their tank

He dropped 44 on your warriors and handed Curry an L 8-)


and then klay2.0 proceeded to score 5 points on 10 shots the next day
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Post#107 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:02 pm

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unfortunately your boy grimes couldn't handle the pressure of playing significant mins on a successful team - but i'm sure he'll give philly nice stats every other game as he mans their tank

He dropped 44 on your warriors and handed Curry an L 8-)


and then klay2.0 proceeded to score 5 points on 10 shots the next day

He handed your warri0rs an L that’s all that matters here
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Post#108 » by RHODEY » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:17 pm

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HighRyzer83 wrote:Kat and bridges for Giannis. I'd do it

Our spacing would be bad.

If they keep starting Hart yes. I just watched the warriors kill us with 3 non shooters on the court most of the game.

Warrior have multiple playmakers in there starting lineup. We only have one when Josh Hart is off. OG, Mikal,and Mitch don't fit that bill.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#109 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:18 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Hart tricked everyone, he was making threes, then regression to the mean popped up. He's basically unplayable if there's a center on the floor with him that can't shoot.

It's not necessarily his fault individually, but the offense just can't function with two non-floor spacers.

Katz highlighted it by breaking down lineup data recently on KFS.

Hart and Mitch's minutes need to be staggered. If we intend to play Hart starter minutes, then Mitch can only play backup minutes behind KAT. And if we do need more rim protection/size, then Hart's minutes need to be significantly reduced.

This is 2025.


Dude was being talked about like an all star a few weeks ago. We have people reacting to one game without KAT as an indictment on his play this year? This place is hilarious. One by one up and down roster from the preseason to now, people have trashed this team. Every single player has been maligned at some point this season. Game to game. Quarter to quarter. Play to play. The up and down reactions have been hilarious. At the same time, guys like Grimes getting praise for a couple of good games all season. Of course! He's not on this team.

40-21 and the #3 seed. We need to blow it up and start over around a new 30+ year old star who isn't even on the market. How long before we need to flip him for someone else? Will you guys be able to handle an entire season before calling for trades? :lol:
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Post#110 » by spree8 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:29 pm

61 games in and we still have all the same issues as day 1.

The starters aren’t being used to their fullest capabilities mainly because there’s no offensive system or creativity, our new acquisitions aren’t being used correctly and Thibs doesn’t stagger lineups properly.

Poor staggering limits opportunities throughout the game like we saw last night with a long stretch of just OG out there with the bench… put Mikal out there too and put the ball in his hands and give him the green light like he had in BK. With the starters he doesn’t have that and his personality type isn’t one to demand it.

Not to mention they’re being misused on defense as well (KAT in drop, Mikal at POA) and that has a ripple effect on everything else. Then you have the excessive minutes and wear n tear on KAT/Hart’s knees and OG’s glass body. We absolutely are getting by on pure talent.

Plus we can’t guard the 3, and don’t take nearly enough of our own.

Hart should’ve never been a starter especially with no true wings off the bench and no better POA defender than Deuce on the team. It should’ve been Deuce day 1. Hart’s energy off the bench is perfect for that role too.

I don’t think I’ve blamed any player this year for anything really. The root cause is coaching. Seems like people know that but still get sucked in to blaming the symptoms instead of the disease after bad performances based on their emotions.

Don’t forget the real culprit is this idiot

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Post#111 » by TKKnicks1 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:31 pm

KAT possibility of not joining the team on this road trip absolutely sucks. We could be looking at dropping in the standings real quick.
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Post#112 » by Knicksfan1992 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:32 pm

Don't have too much to say other than the non ball-knowers are in here slandering/scapegoating Hart again :banghead:
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Post#113 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:36 pm

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Post#114 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:04 pm

TKKnicks1 wrote:KAT possibility of not joining the team on this road trip absolutely sucks. We could be looking at dropping in the standings real quick.


We could lose every game and still be the three seed. The worst we could be is .5 game out of the #3 seed if both MIL/IND win 5 in a row at the same time.. Let's hope neither of these things happen.
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Post#115 » by Handledatruth » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:19 pm

We'll be fine. It is good to give Mitch a chance to get his legs under him at the 5 and shake the rust off. He should be good for a 10 and 10 stat-line every night if he can just get back to his normal self.

However, we need Hart off the floor with Mitch. Brunson is getting trapped by either Hart's defender or Mitch's defender and that pretty much takes the ball out of his hands to create. I hate that Hart is becoming a non-shooter, but the reality is that in today's NBA you can only afford to have 1 on the floor. For that reason Hart needs to run the second unit. He can even be the first man off the bench and sub out Mitch.

I'm looking forward to the Brunson, Bridges, OG, Towns, and Mitch line-up that we'll go to the playoffs with. It's on Thibs to get this right.
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Post#116 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:22 pm

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RHODEY wrote:Our spacing would be bad.

If they keep starting Hart yes. I just watched the warriors kill us with 3 non shooters on the court most of the game.

Yeah....we dont have enough playmaking. And we need more high IQ play. Or maybe we just need more time...we are infact a recently assembled squad while this other teams have been playing with each other for years.

that is fair - i've viewed that as an issue going back to last year - coming into this year even if we kept randle i still thought we could use another playmaker in the rotation. that issue is made worse with thibs lack of structured offense.
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Post#117 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:30 pm

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Shame or Prescious

Might give us the best balance and stagger as needed.
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Post#118 » by knicks94 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:32 pm

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TKKnicks1 wrote:KAT possibility of not joining the team on this road trip absolutely sucks. We could be looking at dropping in the standings real quick.


We could lose every game and still be the three seed. The worst we could be is .5 game out of the #3 seed if both MIL/IND win 5 in a row at the same time.. Let's hope neither of these things happen.

If the Knicks drop in the standings after being the number 3 seed for the majority of the season Thibs has to be let go after the playoffs, unless we somehow get to the conference finals.
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Post#119 » by mpharris36 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:35 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Hart tricked everyone, he was making threes, then regression to the mean popped up. He's basically unplayable if there's a center on the floor with him that can't shoot.

It's not necessarily his fault individually, but the offense just can't function with two non-floor spacers.

Katz highlighted it by breaking down lineup data recently on KFS.

Hart and Mitch's minutes need to be staggered. If we intend to play Hart starter minutes, then Mitch can only play backup minutes behind KAT. And if we do need more rim protection/size, then Hart's minutes need to be significantly reduced.

This is 2025.



All fair points. I agree Hart needs to basically be attached to KAT minutes...and Mitch with Deuce or someone else that can shoot to provide enough spacing.

I do find it interesting that Butler/Draymond don't really take or attempt many 3's and because of the sets Kerr runs GS didn't have as much trouble in getting open looks like we did.

They use Draymond as an off ball screener so much to free up shooters like Curry/Hield because people play off him and they use that against them. We just have Hart stand around the 3 pt line doing nothing for most of the possession.

We could get more creative to use people sagging off Hart against them but our offense is very ISO centric and values more spacing and standing and letting Brunson/KAT cook then running guys off screens ect...
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Post#120 » by Jalen Bluntson » Wed Mar 5, 2025 2:42 pm

Mitch is back for 3 games and has played about 35 minutes. KAT has missed one of those games and possibly more. We played 2 games ALL SEASON at full strength and won both of those in comeback fashion. We choked away the one game KAT missed. I think we need to wait and see who needs to do what and when right now. We need KAT no matter what and, his recent situation may impact that for a few games.

This team has not been able to build any consistency at any point in this season. Precious missed 20+ games. Shamet missed 30ish games. Deuce missed 10+ games. Payne missed 6-7 games. Mitch missed 58 games. We are 40-21 after all of that. There's quite a bit of talent here obviously. The erratic playing time has been a problem all year. Hopefully we can find some stability before the regular season ends and the playoffs begin.
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