Zach Collins discussion thread

[Muzbar]

I think we are destined for Malauch. It's hard to wrap my head around Collins with this thought already foreclosed.

I am highly intrigued by him, but his very unproven 3-ball (of course draft hype will be “he’s working on it” with the gym reel showing off the range, like every 0% 3P C ever) means he’s not going to be anything more than a lob threat and garbage buckets.

Which sounds great to me! These low usage Cs help in today’s NBA, and we have multiple players who can make a great pass.

But:

1. Does AK value a defensive C? (Gafford was sent for very little)

2. Do you spend a 8-12 pick on a defensive project?

I do think he could be an exciting player. His defensive potential is sky high. Serious bust floor, though.

Maybe Okongwu is a decent comp.

The thing about Maluach is you could draft him and bring him along slowly, let him develop and learn behind Collins and Smith (assuming Vuc is traded), he seems to have good shot mechanics, he's a good FT shooter so he could definitely develop a reliable 3 ball in my opinion. So yeah, if the Bulls are picking around 8 or 9 I'd definitely pick up Maluach to develop him (bring back Loul to help him!).

This is a good draft, with some pretty good bigs (Maluach, Sorber & Queen (I'm not big on Queen though, especially defensively)). The Bulls should come away with a decent player even if they don't move up.

[sco]

I think we are destined for Malauch. It's hard to wrap my head around Collins with this thought already foreclosed.

I am highly intrigued by him, but his very unproven 3-ball (of course draft hype will be “he’s working on it” with the gym reel showing off the range, like every 0% 3P C ever) means he’s not going to be anything more than a lob threat and garbage buckets.

Which sounds great to me! These low usage Cs help in today’s NBA, and we have multiple players who can make a great pass.

But:

1. Does AK value a defensive C? (Gafford was sent for very little)

2. Do you spend a 8-12 pick on a defensive project?

I do think he could be an exciting player. His defensive potential is sky high. Serious bust floor, though.

Maybe Okongwu is a decent comp.

The thing about Maluach is you could draft him and bring him along slowly, let him develop and learn behind Collins and Smith (assuming Vuc is traded), he seems to have good shot mechanics, he's a good FT shooter so he could definitely develop a reliable 3 ball in my opinion. So yeah, if the Bulls are picking around 8 or 9 I'd definitely pick up Maluach to develop him (bring back Loul to help him!).

This is a good draft, with some pretty good bigs (Maluach, Sorber & Queen (I'm not big on Queen though, especially defensively)). The Bulls should come away with a decent player even if they don't move up.

I agree, but still, I hate drafting a C with a lotto pick. The good ones always seem to be available outside the lottery.

[pipfan]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

[sco]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

I don't see it happening. First, CHA loses, giving up a draft asset for a slight downgrade of a backup C. I would want the Bulls to either get a better draft asset back or an young asset with upside. I sorta like going into next season with Smith/Collins and maybe a young guy via the draft or FA at C. IMO next season is about building/assessing chemistry with a young core to see how to best build.

[WesPeace]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

Zero need to have Nurkic on roster alongside Collins and Smith, 3rd string C in rebuild year should be some G League guy on two way contract or some young prospect picked in 2nd round of draft

[HomoSapien]

15 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, and 40 minutes tonight. He brings a physicality and ruggedness that we haven't had at the 5 in a long time. If this keeps up, I'm not sure how we'll be able to work Vuc back in.

[greenwing]

15 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, and 40 minutes tonight. He brings a physicality and ruggedness that we haven't had at the 5 in a long time. If this keeps up, I'm not sure how we'll be able to work Vuc back in.

As much as I like Vucevic you’re looking at a good defensive center with average offense (Collins) versus a very good offensive center with below average defense (Vucevic). Vuc needs a great help-side defender to be effective on a contender. Collins needs an offensive power forward to be effective on a contender. It’s much easier to find an offensive player at the 4 than a rim protector these days. So if the decision is made to keep Collins then Vuc is certainly expendable.

Ironically, Collins is the type of big who would be a good fit with Patrick Williams. I’d much rather we develop Matas because he has a higher ceiling than Pat, but you could swap them in and out depending on in-game matchups and it could be effective.

[PJSteven22]

Decent stop gap center. When you watch him play, I can see why he was picked in front of guys like D Mitch and Bam. He has definitely has some skill.

[pipfan]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

Zero need to have Nurkic on roster alongside Collins and Smith, 3rd string C in rebuild year should be some G League guy on two way contract or some young prospect picked in 2nd round of draft

Vuc's value is not much, so saving a bit of $ and getting an early 2nd is a good return for Vuc. Nurkic is a harmless expiring during a rebuilding year

Char has 2 early 2nds, so giving one for a nice C upgrade is worth it for a team who'll be wanting to start winning next year. Williams misses A LOT of games-Vuc is reliable and consistent

[WesPeace]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

Zero need to have Nurkic on roster alongside Collins and Smith, 3rd string C in rebuild year should be some G League guy on two way contract or some young prospect picked in 2nd round of draft

Vuc's value is not much, so saving a bit of $ and getting an early 2nd is a good return for Vuc. Nurkic is a harmless expiring during a rebuilding year

Char has 2 early 2nds, so giving one for a nice C upgrade is worth it for a team who'll be wanting to start winning next year. Williams misses A LOT of games-Vuc is reliable and consistent

Bro, I think it was logical its not about money! Its about playing time and having 3 similar C who all wants to play as much as possible. Zero need for all of them and team to have that situation..

[HomoSapien]

20 points, 12 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists, and a block against the mighty Cavs. We're in agreement, he's better than Vuc right?

He's averaging 18, 10, and 3 on 59% shooting since becoming a starter.

[BullChit]

15 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists, and 40 minutes tonight. He brings a physicality and ruggedness that we haven't had at the 5 in a long time. If this keeps up, I'm not sure how we'll be able to work Vuc back in.

As much as I like Vucevic you’re looking at a good defensive center with average offense (Collins) versus a very good offensive center with below average defense (Vucevic). Vuc needs a great help-side defender to be effective on a contender. Collins needs an offensive power forward to be effective on a contender. It’s much easier to find an offensive player at the 4 than a rim protector these days. So if the decision is made to keep Collins then Vuc is certainly expendable.

Ironically, Collins is the type of big who would be a good fit with Patrick Williams. I’d much rather we develop Matas because he has a higher ceiling than Pat, but you could swap them in and out depending on in-game matchups and it could be effective.

As much as I thought I was done with P. Will I actually want to see him with this team, seeing as everybody else has had a little bump in there production and activity I'd be keen to see if Patrick has anything to give.

[Ice Man]

20 points, 12 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists, and a block against the mighty Cavs. We're in agreement, he's better than Vuc right?

The positive news about a guy like Zach -- or Javonte or Jalen Smith -- is that there are a lot of useful players floating around, easily available. Therefore, a team that assembles a good young core without completing busting its budget should be able to find the remaining pieces without spending draft assets.

It's just the good young core part that is tricky ...

[ChiTownHero1992]

He'd beecent tank commander Center if we can move on from Vooch.

However I truly believe we'll end up with Maluach in the draft, which I am A-Ok with! Guy will be Noah-esque minus the passing/dribbling, him and Matas together will be an athletic frontcourt duo. Besides we know how much our franchise loves Blue Devils (Wendell, Luol, Duhan, Williams, Brand, etc)! If we retain Smith, and draft Maluach i can't see this team carrying 3 project Centers

[League Circles]

20 points, 12 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists, and a block against the mighty Cavs. We're in agreement, he's better than Vuc right?

He's averaging 18, 10, and 3 on 59% shooting since becoming a starter.

I haven't followed or watched him before the trade, but on the court since then, yea I'd say he's been playing a bit better than Vuc. Unfortunately that doesn't say much. I still want a legit rim protector at C for sure. But if we trade Vuc I'm certainly fine with Smith and Collins splitting the minutes at the 5.

[sco]

20 points, 12 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 assists, and a block against the mighty Cavs. We're in agreement, he's better than Vuc right?

The positive news about a guy like Zach -- or Javonte or Jalen Smith -- is that there are a lot of useful players floating around, easily available. Therefore, a team that assembles a good young core without completing busting its budget should be able to find the remaining pieces without spending draft assets.

It's just the good young core part that is tricky ...

This is also why I do not want us using our first on a C. The quality difference between everyone who isn't a top 5 guy isn't as big as any other position, coupled with the fact that it seems to take guys 5 years to become effective. I'm happy rolling with our 2 man combo for the next few years, and save the money to find a way to bring in one, ideally two impact starters.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

i love how this team is stacking centers yet billy refuses to play 2 tall guys at the same time

[sco]

I really like the deal of Nurkic/#34 for Vuc
We save a bit of $, move on from Vuc and have 3 playable centers in a transition year, plus add an early 2nd

Char gets a vet to help Williams in the middle

i love how this team is stacking centers yet billy refuses to play 2 tall guys at the same time

I'd probably do the deal, but I think Nurk is trash and I'd hope we could deal him to another team. Really, I just don't want to watch another season of Vuc.

[WindyCityBorn]

He’s a good player. Only Giddey has played better than him since Vuc went out.

[cocktailswith_2short]

I will be pissed if they use the lotto pick on a center . It's the last position I would be looking into .