Is Dalen Terry an NBA level player?

[sco]

I have been Terry's biggest supporter from the day he was drafted, he was who I wanted with the pick and was very happy the Bulls picked him (yep, I'm outing myself).

But, he has been terrible, he's had the odd flash here and there but he's been given opportunities to take advantage of and he just hasn't. I hope they don't pick up his option for next season. He just doesn't have it, he should be a good G-league player though... maybe.

No, Dalen Terry is not an NBA level player, unless you think Shaquille Harrison is an NBA level player.

I'm with you.

It highlights to me at least that the 3pt shot is the key differentiator between the guys in and out of the league. I'm still rooting for him to figure it out. He's been a hard worker and a good guy, but with a 32% 3 ball, it's a challenge.

[Jcool0]

The other guy was Christian Braun a 6'7" wing from Kansas. He was drafted 21st by Denver and is currently averaging 15 points on 57/36/83 with 5 rebounds and 1.2 steals. I really liked him at #18 at the time (mostly because of the NCAA title game), but it really can go either way at that spot. So hard to find rotational players.

[DuckIII]

Surprising. The primary debate here when we shockingly took Terry was why we didn’t take Kessler instead when he was considered a vastly superior prospect who provided what we lacked (and still lack) whereas Terry was projected as a mid-second rounder and we already had 3 layers of redundancy at his role.

Pretty terrible. But AK’s draft record, despite being a weakness, is less significant than his other incompetencies. He drafted Matas and Ayo, after all. Both outstanding picks for the draft slot.

The only counterargument is that Billy Donovan would have not played Kessler. But that is more ignorance of BD.

Hear me out. We had Vooch backed up by Drummond. Drummond a former allstar barely played. So given Donovan's track record, I don't see him being used much. We would have treated him like he was Marko.

But even if it wasn't Kessler, there are about 10 players after Dalen that I think most would rather.

Even if true so what? We don’t play Terry either. We’d at least have him under contract once we can get rid of Vuc.

[Muzbar]

I have been Terry's biggest supporter from the day he was drafted, he was who I wanted with the pick and was very happy the Bulls picked him (yep, I'm outing myself).

But, he has been terrible, he's had the odd flash here and there but he's been given opportunities to take advantage of and he just hasn't. I hope they don't pick up his option for next season. He just doesn't have it, he should be a good G-league player though... maybe.

No, Dalen Terry is not an NBA level player, unless you think Shaquille Harrison is an NBA level player.

I'm with you.

It highlights to me at least that the 3pt shot is the key differentiator between the guys in and out of the league. I'm still rooting for him to figure it out. He's been a hard worker and a good guy, but with a 32% 3 ball, it's a challenge.

Obviously I'm still rooting for him to succeed, but in the end all he's really got going for him is length and some playmaking abilities, but he hasn't shown enough to secure his option to be picked up next year (IMO, but AK will probably disagree) or to even get a 2nd contract from the Bulls.

He started the last 2 games and amassed a total of 6pts, 2rbs & 3asts on 30% shooting, granted it was in only 17mpg, but still, a 'starter' shouldn't only be getting 17mpg unless they're just not very good. I'd be replacing him in the starting line-up with Julian Phillips (who I'm not to high on), he has at least shown slightly more promise due to his athleticism and decent 3 ball.

[ChiTownHero1992]

The other guy was Christian Braun a 6'7" wing from Kansas. He was drafted 21st by Denver and is currently averaging 15 points on 57/36/83 with 5 rebounds and 1.2 steals. I really liked him at #18 at the time (mostly because of the NCAA title game), but it really can go either way at that spot. So hard to find rotational players.

I'll admit i didn't like Braun, thought he would bust as most Kansas players do, but i was wrong (atleast it looks that way now), at the same time I wanted no part of Dalen Terry! I knew from 4 months pre-draft (basically his entire season at Arizona) that guy had no tangible skills and would never be more than an 11-12th guy on a team.

My personal pick, i really wanted to see Andrew Nembhard out of Gonzaga, 6'5" combo guard, he was an unsung hero so-to-speak for Gonzaga during their multiple runs, a 4 year starter at 2 different elite programs, 3x sweet-sxiteen appearance and was in the championship game a year prior. Everyone talked about Strawther, Timme and Holmgren and wasn't looking at him. I watch a ton of NCAA ball, basically all I watch on TV besides an occasional NBA game and thought Nembhard would be a perfect pair with Ayo for the 2 to run the bench guards or both spot start.

My other guy was Max Christie out of Michigan St. who we are now seeing starting to come into his own with Dallas.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Surprising. The primary debate here when we shockingly took Terry was why we didn’t take Kessler instead when he was considered a vastly superior prospect who provided what we lacked (and still lack) whereas Terry was projected as a mid-second rounder and we already had 3 layers of redundancy at his role.

Pretty terrible. But AK’s draft record, despite being a weakness, is less significant than his other incompetencies. He drafted Matas and Ayo, after all. Both outstanding picks for the draft slot.

The only counterargument is that Billy Donovan would have not played Kessler. But that is more ignorance of BD.

Hear me out. We had Vooch backed up by Drummond. Drummond a former allstar barely played. So given Donovan's track record, I don't see him being used much. We would have treated him like he was Marko.

But even if it wasn't Kessler, there are about 10 players after Dalen that I think most would rather.

Even if true so what? We don’t play Terry either. We’d at least have him under contract once we can get rid of Vuc.

Totally agree. I was more pointing out the ineptitude that is Billy Donovan.

[kodo]

I was actually hoping for Marc Williams or Tari Eason, I was surprised both were gone by the time we picked.
I don't blame the Bulls for not picking Braun he was projected mostly 30th or 2nd round.

CBS mock:
Terry 17, Kessler 37, Braun 43

The Ringer:
Terry 19, Kessler 24, Braun 43

SI:
Terry 21, Braun 22, Kessler 31

ESPN:
Kessler 19, Terry 21, Braun 30

Sporting News:
Terry: 26, Kessler 29, Braun 30

[League Circles]

It's nice to have the 15th man for a bad team locked up for over $5 million next year. SMFH

[MrSparkle]

It's nice to have the 15th man for a bad team locked up for over $5 million next year. SMFH

That could be nice salary filler in a trade.

Problem is I don't know what the end-goal of any trade would be, for these rebuildaBulls.

[sco]

It's nice to have the 15th man for a bad team locked up for over $5 million next year. SMFH

The good news is that it is a conveniently sized expiring contract to use in a trade.

[Ice Man]

That could be nice salary filler in a trade.

The Bulls could accomplish the same by paying me $5 million to be a guy whom you don't want on the court. Come to think of it, that sounds like an excellent idea.

[sco]

So is Terry's (and arguably Phillips') inability to become average 3pt shooters an indictment of Peter Patton?

[League Circles]

It's nice to have the 15th man for a bad team locked up for over $5 million next year. SMFH

That could be nice salary filler in a trade.

Problem is I don't know what the end-goal of any trade would be, for these rebuildaBulls.

We already have almost a hundred million in expiring deals mostly for guys we shouldn't want anyway next year. We never should have picked up his 4th year option IMO.

[MGB8]

I have been Terry's biggest supporter from the day he was drafted, he was who I wanted with the pick and was very happy the Bulls picked him (yep, I'm outing myself).

But, he has been terrible, he's had the odd flash here and there but he's been given opportunities to take advantage of and he just hasn't. I hope they don't pick up his option for next season. He just doesn't have it, he should be a good G-league player though... maybe.

No, Dalen Terry is not an NBA level player, unless you think Shaquille Harrison is an NBA level player.

I'm with you.

It highlights to me at least that the 3pt shot is the key differentiator between the guys in and out of the league. I'm still rooting for him to figure it out. He's been a hard worker and a good guy, but with a 32% 3 ball, it's a challenge.

He was at 37% earlier in the year. And even at the current 32.3% (low volume), that is still a nice jump from his first 2 seasons, at 26% (tiny volume) and 23% (low volume). THT jumped to 33% from the mid to high 20s in his 5th season, last year, and is at 37% now. And he had landed a nice contract with the Lakers before stalling.

Anyway, we don’t have good insight as to whether Terry has a decent shot of improving into a solid player or whether it’s marginal, and he will be out of the league like Troy Brown, etc. The coaching staff should have a better sense of his work ethic, drive, love for the game and professionalism, as well as whether there are any “blocks” like inflammatory conditions, etc.

For where the Bulls are now, in year one of a long stint in the wasteland, it doesn’t really matter.

[MGB8]

It's nice to have the 15th man for a bad team locked up for over $5 million next year. SMFH

That could be nice salary filler in a trade.

Problem is I don't know what the end-goal of any trade would be, for these rebuildaBulls.

We already have almost a hundred million in expiring deals mostly for guys we shouldn't want anyway next year. We never should have picked up his 4th year option IMO.

Wont make a bit of difference. No player of worth is being traded to the Bulls. His contract will make zero difference. And I highly doubt that the Bulls will take on longer term salary for draft capital.

Bulls are going to be bad, for a while. Until they luck into a new cornerstone or two. Bulls are probably a touch ahead of the wizards in terms of existing team talent - but in many ways that is worse because middling guys like - well, everyone on the team except maybe Matas - just make it harder to get a higher pick, increasing the odds of hitting the jackpot.

[Jcool0]

I was actually hoping for Marc Williams or Tari Eason, I was surprised both were gone by the time we picked.
I don't blame the Bulls for not picking Braun he was projected mostly 30th or 2nd round.

CBS mock:
Terry 17, Kessler 37, Braun 43

The Ringer:
Terry 19, Kessler 24, Braun 43

SI:
Terry 21, Braun 22, Kessler 31

ESPN:
Kessler 19, Terry 21, Braun 30

Sporting News:
Terry: 26, Kessler 29, Braun 30

Mocks don't mean anything. For example in the 2020 draft The Ringer had Killian Hayes as the #1 player (Williams was #7), he was drafted 7th & current not on a NBA roster.

[Ice Man]

So is Terry's (and arguably Phillips') inability to become average 3pt shooters an indictment of Peter Patton?

It's an indictment of the concept that one 3 point shooting coach can be meaningfully better than another. (If there is such a thing as a 3-point coach who can have dramatic effect, he is worth a LOT more than he is getting paid. About $20 million per year more.)

[DuckIII]

So is Terry's (and arguably Phillips') inability to become average 3pt shooters an indictment of Peter Patton?

No. If that is all there was to being a good NBA 3pt shooter, the lack of one would not be as significant a downside evaluating draft prospects. It would carry little weight.

[rosenthall]

I was a Dalen Terry fan going into the season and thought there was a chance he would take a leap this year. Hasn't happened. Right now I'm hoping the team just rescinds their rights to him next year so he can become an UFA and we lose his cap hold.

He still might turn into something but there hasn't been even a flicker of improvement this year.

All signs point to him being an unimportant end of roster player.

[ShadyMoney]

Randy brown type