PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic.

[R-DAWG]

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.

I think it's a combination a few things - one is the pressure of being traded for 5 first round picks, but more importantly, he's going playing out of position. He's a small forward who shouldn't be relied on for creation/ball handling.

OG/Bridges/Hart is just too redundant. And Bridges has been the odd man out.

[TheGreenArrow]

I would not extend him and would use him in a trade to add another piece.

That’s the plan hopefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrDollarBills]

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.

I think it's a combination a few things - one is the pressure of being traded for 5 first round picks, but more importantly, he's going playing out of position. He's a small forward who shouldn't be relied on for creation/ball handling.

OG/Bridges/Hart is just too redundant. And Bridges has been the odd man out.

I agree. I just think that it's odd that he is playing averse to contact.

Josh needs to come off the bench. His shooting is just non existent

[MrDollarBills]

I would not extend him and would use him in a trade to add another piece.

That’s the plan hopefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's not working and Leon cannot be afraid to pivot especially if there is a deal to be made this summer.

[MrDollarBills]

It's killing me to say this stuff because I like Mikal and I wanted him to come here, but I can't lie. I thought we were getting a piece that would lock down the perimeter and be a viable 3rd option offensively.

Part of me is upset that Tom really doesn't use him to his strengths offensively but him not fighting through screens and the overall poor defense is 100% Mikal.

[spree2kawhi]

He is always doing the most to piss us off.

He had a pretty good game, especially passing the ball and defensively against Curry. I am watching it right now and haven’t watched the fourth quarter yet, but through three quarters, he was by far the best Knick not named OG.

It's not enough

Well he was actually rock-solid in that game, also down the stretch. 2 three point misses came in the final seconds with the game out of reach. He basically guarded Curry full time and was the lone help side player for most of the second half. He can’t guard everybody. Him and OG are a nice duo defensively.

Also, I won’t allow any Hart slander either, he has been playing an incredible season.

[Wildcat]

It's killing me to say this stuff because I like Mikal and I wanted him to come here, but I can't lie. I thought we were getting a piece that would lock down the perimeter and be a viable 3rd option offensively.

Part of me is upset that Tom really doesn't use him to his strengths offensively but him not fighting through screens and the overall poor defense is 100% Mikal.

I think it's fair to believe we'll see a different Mikal next season unless we got a deal that can't be missed. Thibs offense isn't ideal for him and on defense, I think the scheme isn't great for him. I think Hart going to the bench will solve many issues.

[DOT]

Josh needs to come off the bench. His shooting is just non existent

Hart's 3pt shooting by month:

October: 27.8%
November: 40.4%
December: 42.6%
January: 25.0%
February: 23.8%
March: 0%

He's still overall efficient because he's at 80% from the line and an absurd 65% from 2, and we can live with those numbers if we have KAT at the 5, but if we're gonna put Hart next to Mitch or Precious, it won't work

Example, Hart and Towns has a Net of +8.5 (would be 3rd in the league), but Hart and Precious have a Net of -3.5 (would be 8th worst in the league, just below the Blazers), and that's in 500 minutes together so not a small sample size. O rating drops from 121.5 (would be #2 in the league) with KAT to 113.5 with Precious (would be 15th, so not awful, but not nearly as good)

Mitch hasn't played enough minutes with Hart to get stats on him

My controversial take is that we need to start Deuce instead of Hart, not Mitch.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.

With the Nets he was at 27.3% and 23.7% frequency as the pick and roll ball handler, with us he's at 9.5% frequency. Basically he's not getting the ball and playing off picks anymore.


Changing his shot was disastrous to his game, you see it in the fact he can't shoot above the break threes without catching the ball and using momentum to shoot it. With the Nets he could hit top of the key threes off a dribble and screen and without needing to run to do it. We haven't used him well but the form change was an idiotic move that also impacted his freethrow percentage.

[Gravy]

Josh Hart is going through a slump, he'll be alright. It highlights how great our record is with the limited talent we have on the roster in some areas.

[TheGreenArrow]

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.

With the Nets he was at 27.3% and 23.7% frequency as the pick and roll ball handler, with us he's at 9.5% frequency. Basically he's not getting the ball and playing off picks anymore.


Changing his shot was disastrous to his game, you see it in the fact he can't shoot above the break threes without catching the ball and using momentum to shoot it. With the Nets he could hit top of the key threes off a dribble and screen and without needing to run to do it. We haven't used him well but the form change was an idiotic move that also impacted his freethrow percentage.

Which is why he wants no parts of contact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which leads to him only attempting fadeaway jumpers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

Josh Hart is going through a slump, he'll be alright. It highlights how great our record is with the limited talent we have on the roster in some areas.

Yeah not going to be perfect through an 82 game season...last few Hart hasn't been good. He is also dealing with that knee injury from overuse.

I just think it made no sense to bring Hart back in the game last night in the 4th...he clearly was having a rough game...should have just kept Deuce in. But that would require the coach to be more adaptable.

[spree8]

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.

With the Nets he was at 27.3% and 23.7% frequency as the pick and roll ball handler, with us he's at 9.5% frequency. Basically he's not getting the ball and playing off picks anymore.


Changing his shot was disastrous to his game, you see it in the fact he can't shoot above the break threes without catching the ball and using momentum to shoot it. With the Nets he could hit top of the key threes off a dribble and screen and without needing to run to do it. We haven't used him well but the form change was an idiotic move that also impacted his freethrow percentage.

Even tho I defend Mikal for Thibs not putting him in a position to succeed, I won’t deny reality and not hold him accountable for that wild shot change. Dunno wtf that was about, but that’s def got a hefty part to play in all this.

[JXL]

Josh needs to come off the bench. His shooting is just non existent

Hart's 3pt shooting by month:

October: 27.8%
November: 40.4%
December: 42.6%
January: 25.0%
February: 23.8%
March: 0%

He's still overall efficient because he's at 80% from the line and an absurd 65% from 2, and we can live with those numbers if we have KAT at the 5, but if we're gonna put Hart next to Mitch or Precious, it won't work

Example, Hart and Towns has a Net of +8.5 (would be 3rd in the league), but Hart and Precious have a Net of -3.5 (would be 8th worst in the league, just below the Blazers), and that's in 500 minutes together so not a small sample size. O rating drops from 121.5 (would be #2 in the league) with KAT to 113.5 with Precious (would be 15th, so not awful, but not nearly as good)

Mitch hasn't played enough minutes with Hart to get stats on him

My controversial take is that we need to start Deuce instead of Hart, not Mitch.

Deuce with the starting lineup is basically better on both ends. While Hart likes to push the tempo, his presence in the half-court with Brunson makes him a liability offensively. He works way better with the bench unit. Payne/Hart/Shamet/stretch 4/Robinson.

[Gravy]

Josh Hart is going through a slump, he'll be alright. It highlights how great our record is with the limited talent we have on the roster in some areas.

Yeah not going to be perfect through an 82 game season...last few Hart hasn't been good. He is also dealing with that knee injury from overuse.

I just think it made no sense to bring Hart back in the game last night in the 4th...he clearly was having a rough game...should have just kept Deuce in. But that would require the coach to be more adaptable.

Thibs wants size and rebounds. We got out rebounded again 44-42, not much but last season thats how we won games. I can see why Deuce could have stayed in the game but he was cold too. It was going to be a loss with so many cold shooters, we were 24% from three. Having Precious as the center to close the game also doesn't help but with no KAT its tough to win.

[dakomish23]

We need everyone available to beat good teams. Period. We aren't invincible and we haven't been healthy all season. The Lakers are going to be a real challenge if KAT isn't there. Unfortunately, the real world has more important things going on than basketball right now. Hope it all works out for everyone involved.

Vs the other 5 top teams in the East
CLE: 0-2
BOS: 0-3
MIL: 2-0
IND: 2-1
DET: 1-2

Vs the top 6 in the West
OKC: 0-2
LAL: 0-1
DEN: 2-0
MEM: 2-0
HOU: 1-1
GSW: 0-1

11-13. Obviously the top tier OKC CLE BOS 0-7 is horrific

DRTG
CLE - 7th (1st ORTG)
BOS - 5th (3rd ORTG)
MIL - 10th (14 ORTG)
IND -18th (8th ORTG)
DET - 9th (13th ORTG)


OKC - 1st (4th ORTG)
LAL - 13th (9th ORTG)
DEN - 17th (2nd ORTG)
MEM - 11th (6th ORTG)
HOU - 4th (15th ORTG)
GSW - 8th (16th ORTG)


If you can play defense you might beat us more often than not, if you have a top 10 offense with a top 10 defense you're going to annhilate us.

MEM is right on the edge. Pretty amazing we're 2-0

[Adelheid]

mikal way too chill. OG looks pretty dead serious; he would not even smile even after a victory. Our captain is another guy who is way too serious

[3toheadmelo]

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[MrDollarBills]

Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.

With the Nets he was at 27.3% and 23.7% frequency as the pick and roll ball handler, with us he's at 9.5% frequency. Basically he's not getting the ball and playing off picks anymore.


Changing his shot was disastrous to his game, you see it in the fact he can't shoot above the break threes without catching the ball and using momentum to shoot it. With the Nets he could hit top of the key threes off a dribble and screen and without needing to run to do it. We haven't used him well but the form change was an idiotic move that also impacted his freethrow percentage.

He's averaging 17ppg which i kind of figured he would with less touches. I think if Tom ran play calls (lmao yeah sure) for him he'd probably be less likely to just disappear like he has been in big games.

His shot mechanics is baffling, and his deep ball is at a near career worst 35%, lowest since his rookie season. I don't understand who or what advised him to change something that didn't need fixing!!!

I still contend that his inconsistent effort defensively is a bigger issue though.