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Post#101 » by tedbrogen » Wed Mar 5, 2025 10:46 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:No argument that Sims is very much a replacement level dude, but him and KPJ are perfect examples of why this obsession with trading away our most valuable assets and players just for "youth and athleticism" was always short-sighted and misguided. These are the kind of players that are available every trade deadline and every offseason for scraps/free. Just imagine how even more screwed this team would be if they did one of those countless "Dame for some young, warm bodies" panic trades posited on this board instead of actually just getting some decent athletes/shooters for dirt cheap around him and Giannis. Thankfully the latter mind-set won out.


It is definitely the argument for keeping top end talent as long as they are healthy enough to play and surround them with the best athletes and shooters you can. And not all those role players have to be perfect at everything, just be good at something and focus on putting them in that spot to do that something.
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Post#102 » by slos » Wed Mar 5, 2025 11:16 pm

Porter has played a total of 5 minutes in 7 games with Lillard, which limits him to 12 mpg when Dame is available. Has reached 20ish minutes in just two games with Dame out (and Rollins starting). I get it that he is in a learning process in a new (and his first winning) team, but it's time he gets more PT.

I'm not saying that he has to start. But Porter being that good should allow Dame play a couple of minutes less with the playoffs getting closer. They can also share the court for limited time. Just keep Porter for a couple of possesions when Lillard gets back on the court and start figuring it out how it could work for longer stretches.
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Post#103 » by DingleJerry » Thu Mar 6, 2025 12:42 am

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raysbookclub wrote:Kinda loving Jericho Sims. Would be happy to see him back next year. He had back-to-back possessions of moderate dominance :D in the second quarter last night. He altered a shot near the rim, then outran the Hawks to the rim where he got the ball and did a rhythm drop dribble and dunked, then altered another shot at the rim, leading to a wide-open 3 that our guy missed.


He’s very athletic, not as spazzy as Gadz, very good on the glass, switchable on D, and knows he should only take shots within three feet of the rim.

If they can retain KPJ to provide scoring punch off the bench and Brook comes back on a smaller deal, I’d be happy with him in his current role and they can let Bobby walk or S&T Bobby.


Didn't ever really think about how we don't have that lob rim runner type guy (other than GA who kinda shies away from it) which is so frequent in modern nba offense until we got this guy. Just such a change of pace from seeing Brook/Bobby slow foot and no leaping ability for so long. So he probably is looking a bit better to me than he really is, but overall its just good to add a skillset they lacked.

I know I'd rather keep him as the backup big at near league min than pay Bobby 15 mil per year. Shift that 15 mil salary slot to paying a wing. I assume keeping a wing like Trent or maybe KPJ is gonna cost some money in the future. Assume a Brook salary reduction next year and move a bunch of money to the wings.

An issue for me since Brook got the bigger contracts is having so much money spent on bigs (giannis 50 mil too) at a time when bigs aren't needed that much. Basically at a time when you usually only play one big at a time (and we have one of the best in the league getting 35 mins) its not good use of salary to pay 3 bigs legit money.
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Post#104 » by KidA24 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 1:22 am

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raysbookclub wrote:Kinda loving Jericho Sims. Would be happy to see him back next year. He had back-to-back possessions of moderate dominance :D in the second quarter last night. He altered a shot near the rim, then outran the Hawks to the rim where he got the ball and did a rhythm drop dribble and dunked, then altered another shot at the rim, leading to a wide-open 3 that our guy missed.


He’s very athletic, not as spazzy as Gadz, very good on the glass, switchable on D, and knows he should only take shots within three feet of the rim.

If they can retain KPJ to provide scoring punch off the bench and Brook comes back on a smaller deal, I’d be happy with him in his current role and they can let Bobby walk or S&T Bobby.


He also went to the Brook Lopez school of laying wood on screens. Makes it easy for anyone running pnr with him
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Post#106 » by BUCKnation » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:45 am

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Frank Nova wrote:Something I’ve come back to over the past 12 hours is Kyle Kuzma. Dude played last night on a bum ankle and played well. This season could hinge on the difference of that vs the alternative which would’ve been if Khris Middleton twists an ankle, he’s likely out for the foreseeable future afterwards. No way does Khris tweak an ankle and play the next game, or even the next few. That is likely a huge outlier to what is currently happening with the uptick in team play. I’m not even trying to dump on Khris but that just seems like a given to me.



Midds twisted his ankle last season and it ended with double ankle surgery. He did put on an epic performance against the Pacers in the first round with almost no help, so not trying to dog him either.


Yeah, he gutted it out in the playoffs and was excellent but it basically cost him 75% of this season thus far
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Post#107 » by WeMajor34 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:36 am

Very happy to see we have a team option on Sims this offseason.

He hasn’t been great by any means but for the price we paid, it’s terrific value.

Trading MarJon and Wright for KPJ and Sims was highway robbery in terms of finding cheap talent.
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Post#108 » by slos » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:12 am

Looking into next season with tight money to bring everyone back, I think a smart move would be to talk Pat into opting out his 9,4 mil to sign a new 2y/12mil.

Pat doesn’t lose money since he will be a definite min player at 34 y/o. Bucks save 3,4 mil next season to spend it for KPJ, GTJ, Bobby, Brook etc. On top they keep the salary slot available for a future trade.

In the meantime Pat can serve as a nice presence in the locker room. We all know his good relationship with the board. I don’t mind having Pat as 15th. It was Thanasis’ spot for years. At least Pat can play.
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Post#109 » by pifhluk23 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:52 am

Pat needs to do us a solid and opt out/retire this Summer. I'm sure we can find some real estate deals to make up for it. Or give him a coaching staff job, he's probably a good dude to have around.
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Post#110 » by soxperry » Thu Mar 6, 2025 11:16 am

slos wrote:Looking into next season with tight money to bring everyone back, I think a smart move would be to talk Pat into opting out his 9,4 mil to sign a new 2y/12mil.

Pat doesn’t lose money since he will be a definite min player at 34 y/o. Bucks save 3,4 mil next season to spend it for KPJ, GTJ, Bobby, Brook etc. On top they keep the salary slot available for a future trade.

In the meantime Pat can serve as a nice presence in the locker room. We all know his good relationship with the board. I don’t mind having Pat as 15th. It was Thanasis’ spot for years. At least Pat can play.


Pat will have an expiring contract. Hes now useful to us as trade filler salary that isnt seen as a burden and wont cost picks to move. So for a team that could really use consolidation, thats pretty important.

We also have very few guys who we could or would trade before December since so many guys are upcoming free agents. Kuzma, Pat, and Bobby if he opts in are the only contracts of any girth at all. The rest is either not getting traded or damn near vet min.

Its going to be fun to really get into the off-season cap stuff because there are just so many moving parts. Im very curious how low we can get the team salary after all holds are rescinded (and appropriate players re signed).
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Post#111 » by MVP2110 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 1:14 pm

Horst is going to have a tough offseason. I have no idea how he's going to choose who to prioritize coming back.

GTJ
KPJ
Brook
Bobby
Prince
Rollins
Sims

all guys I would like back
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Post#112 » by dbrodz7 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 1:53 pm

MVP2110 wrote:Horst is going to have a tough offseason. I have no idea how he's going to choose who to prioritize coming back.

GTJ
KPJ
Brook
Bobby
Prince
Rollins
Sims

all guys I would like back


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Post#113 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:16 pm

Has there been any word of Bobby at practice? If I remember correctly, he's allowed to be in team facilities but just not at the games.
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Post#114 » by MickeyDavis » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:20 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Has there been any word of Bobby at practice? If I remember correctly, he's allowed to be in team facilities but just not at the games.

Yes he's been at practice. He also travels with the team. He can't be in the arena 2 hours before game time.
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Post#115 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:45 pm

what happened to Jrue suddenly? his production seems to have taken a sharp decline. at least the narrative that Jrue is a better player 1:1 than Dame finally died
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Post#116 » by soxperry » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:52 pm

Kpj numbers are wild.

His usage is about 33% which is 99th percentile
His percentage of fgs assisted by others is mind bogglingly low. Giannis and Dame are among the qualified league leaders in this, i think around 30-40%. Kpj is around 10%. Hes 100th percentile. And its not just overall but its every single major part of the floor.

His points per shot attempt is great and the bucks offense and defense are putting up good percentages w him on the court. His defensive rebounding is elite

His assist percentage is great.

But his overall impact on +/- is being dragged by turnovers. Thats the only thing i can find to explain it.

Long road ahead, but holy crap is he exciting.
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Post#117 » by soxperry » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:54 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:what happened to Jrue suddenly? his production seems to have taken a sharp decline. at least the narrative that Jrue is a better player 1:1 than Dame finally died


I think now people can fully appreciate why that move was made. Jrue may very well be himself in the playoffs but imagine trying to get through a full season relying on him to be your third best player.
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Post#118 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:15 pm

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GiannisAnte34 wrote:what happened to Jrue suddenly? his production seems to have taken a sharp decline. at least the narrative that Jrue is a better player 1:1 than Dame finally died


I think now people can fully appreciate why that move was made. Jrue may very well be himself in the playoffs but imagine trying to get through a full season relying on him to be your third best player.


*2nd best player. Many will never appreciate that we sold high on Jrue at the absolute best time because the incredibly stupid championship confirmation bias narrative (with Boston) will always be there. But this team would be a bottom-8 offense and stuck firmly in play-in territory right now with this version of Jrue and whatever meh starter(s) we would have used Grayson and those pick swaps to acquire.
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Post#119 » by crowhead76 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:41 pm

If Bobby and Pat both opt in, I would try to package them with picks for Cam Johnson. Saves about 2.3 million too
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Post#120 » by fan230 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 3:50 pm

Pat will surely opt in. He likes/needs to stay in Milwaukee because of his own business, plus he will not easily get more money from any other team.

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