Bears 11.0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond

[Dresden]

I bet we could get that kind of WR in FA pretty cheap.

[patryk7754]

It always sounded like the bengals would pick to keep Henderson over Higgins. Sam Hubbard retired out of nowhere. I think there is little chance they let Hendrickson leave now

[patryk7754]

I think if Jonathan Allen is on the radar, we should wait for him to be cut. I think he’ll be had for a lot less than what his cap hit would be via trade

[patryk7754]

If we finish free agency with a center, Mack, and Allen that would be great. Then supplement That with a de in the first and DT in the second

[dice]

what a gift to the rams. good gracious

https://sidelionreport.com/rams-benching-of-jonah-jackson-further-proves-great-decision-by-the-lions

Yes. We're going to miss that 6th round pick on our practice squad.

you and your 3 'and 1's somehow all managed to miss the point

[dice]

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Him, a high pick, plus that other big kid and Kiran would make a fairly respectable bench core

not understanding the mindset that tenders bill murray but not sanborn

[dice]

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the bears spending on o-line was so low because they had 2 quality T and a quality G on rookie deals

[dice]

I like these two move by Poles. Now we enter the Free Agency period much less desperate. I still want Dalman but we don't have to overpay for interior offensive line help. And we can still draft an O-Lineman in round 2 or 3 and develop them to take over for Jackson or Thuney after next season.

poles didn't trade for those guys not to extend them. which is a big part of why both were bad trades. the bears only matter going forward if caleb becomes a franchise QB. and if he is, 2025 is a minor consideration. so the overwhelming concern with these trades is the picks given up and the contract extensions for 2026 and beyond

after spending substantially on edmunds and davis w/ both being busts, i think poles may be shying away from the compressed negotiation window of day 1 FA. he seems to be far more comfortable w/ extending guys under contract. the stress of the process is spread out and you're not competing w/ other teams. the problem is that when you trade for a guy to extend him, he has you by the balls with negotiation leverage

thuney is sweat redux, though not as bad because a lesser pick was surrendered and the extension will be smaller. same failure of a mindset, though

i'm already out on this poles/johnson hybrid thing. maybe they'll have some draft synergy, but my hopes are quite low. time to spend on an accomplished, independent GM now

[dice]

Really like the Thuney trade - 4th round pick in next years draft is equivalent of a 5th roun pick this year.

there is no time value of draft picks. a 4th rounder next year is worth the same as a 4th rounder 44 years from now...except to the current GM

[dice]

Dice this chart is for you any time you get upset about the Bears trading away a pick where expectations are “draftable/ Backup”

Bleacher Report's NFL draft grading scale:

10: Generational talent/No. 1 overall
9.5–9.9: Top-five prospect
9.0–9.4: Top-10 prospect
8.5–8.9: Immediate impact prospect / 1st round
8.0–8.4: Year 1 starter / Late 1st-2nd round
7.5–7.9: Potential impact player / 2nd round
7.0–7.4: High-level backup / Potential starter / 3rd round
6.5–6.9: Potential role player / 4th round
6.0–6.4: Developmental prospect / 5th round
5.5–5.9: Backup/Draftable / 6th-7th round
4.0-5.4 UDFA

For me, this chart helps keep me level headed when trading picks away. It has also made me realize that top 100 picks are very valuable and how you have to hit on rounds 1-2.

doesn't factor in salary/guarantees. which is half the consideration. the NFL is about bang for your buck

[dice]

Maybe Pryor and Jackson can compete with Thuney manning the other side.

sounds good to me

when the news broke i was listening to cap and j-hood on the way to work. they were whining, rightly, that both thuney and jackson are LG specialist. a smooth or even successful transition to RG is not inevitable. one of them suggested that braxton would get moved so the new acquisitions would man the left side of the line

[dice]

So maybe Ashton Jeanty is lining up as a possibility at #10?

It would be a mistake so I hope the bears do it .

someone you have your eye on?

[jnrjr79]

Really like the Thuney trade - 4th round pick in next years draft is equivalent of a 5th roun pick this year.

there is no time value of draft picks. a 4th rounder next year is worth the same as a 4th rounder 44 years from now...except to the current GM

This may be how you feel about it, but it’s been a longstanding rule of thumb for NFL transactions that a pick in the future year is worth 1 round fewer than it would be in the current year.

[Betta Bulleavit]

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Wow! I cannot say I saw this one coming!

[dice]

Really like the Thuney trade - 4th round pick in next years draft is equivalent of a 5th roun pick this year.

there is no time value of draft picks. a 4th rounder next year is worth the same as a 4th rounder 44 years from now...except to the current GM

This may be how you feel about it, but it’s been a longstanding rule of thumb for NFL transactions that a pick in the future year is worth 1 round fewer than it would be in the current year.

so a 4th round pick 5 years from now is negative value?

the rule of thumb is for the exact reason i specified. a GM's priority is his job security. so his team priorities are very skewed to the present. those w/ long-term job security should not be thinking like that

not to mention that NFL, and sports in general, are very slow to move on from conventional wisdom

[ThisGuyFawkes]

there is no time value of draft picks. a 4th rounder next year is worth the same as a 4th rounder 44 years from now...except to the current GM

This may be how you feel about it, but it’s been a longstanding rule of thumb for NFL transactions that a pick in the future year is worth 1 round fewer than it would be in the current year.

so a 4th round pick 5 years from now is negative value?

the rule of thumb is for the exact reason i specified. a GM's priority is his job security. so his team priorities are very skewed to the present. those w/ long-term job security should not be thinking like that

not to mention that NFL, and sports in general, are very slow to move on from conventional wisdom

I have to disagree. Firstly, no team trades picks beyond 1-2 years in the future so the premise of a 4th round pick in 5 years is a little over the top and disingenuous.

Secondly, if we just look at the market, that's how NFL teams have been valuing picks. To say that there's no time value of draft picks is disproven immediately by tons of trade history. You may disagree with the notion, but that doesn't negate how things actually work.

I understand your logic. I'm just saying that it doesn't really matter if 32 NFL GM's don't follow that logic on a historical basis.

[Dresden]

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Wow! I cannot say I saw this one coming!

I think his best days are long gone, and he's been injured a fair bit.

[Dresden]

Going into the offseason, the Bears had 4 major needs- 2 new guards, a center, and a DE. We've nailed two of them down already, and haven't even hit FA. That's a pretty dang good start.

[Dresden]

Dice this chart is for you any time you get upset about the Bears trading away a pick where expectations are “draftable/ Backup”

Bleacher Report's NFL draft grading scale:

10: Generational talent/No. 1 overall
9.5–9.9: Top-five prospect
9.0–9.4: Top-10 prospect
8.5–8.9: Immediate impact prospect / 1st round
8.0–8.4: Year 1 starter / Late 1st-2nd round
7.5–7.9: Potential impact player / 2nd round
7.0–7.4: High-level backup / Potential starter / 3rd round
6.5–6.9: Potential role player / 4th round
6.0–6.4: Developmental prospect / 5th round
5.5–5.9: Backup/Draftable / 6th-7th round
4.0-5.4 UDFA

For me, this chart helps keep me level headed when trading picks away. It has also made me realize that top 100 picks are very valuable and how you have to hit on rounds 1-2.

doesn't factor in salary/guarantees. which is half the consideration. the NFL is about bang for your buck

You could have a whole team of Jack Sanborn's, who was very productive given what he was being paid, and it wouldn't get you anywhere. You also need impact players.

[patryk7754]

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Wow! I cannot say I saw this one coming!

I think his best days are long gone, and he's been injured a fair bit.

I have no interest in him