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Duke4life831 wrote:I know Flagg's shooting splits since he turned 18 has been a big talking point.
But his facilitating and lack of mistakes has been huge as well. Over the last month he's had a 4:1 assist to turnover ratio while averaging 4 assists per game. And over the last 6 games he has a ridiculous 30 assists to just 3 turnovers.
He's been ridiculously amazing on the offensive end
Ice Man wrote:OK, we're getting off track here. There are two questions with Flagg -
1) As an 18 year old player, how does he compare to other players of his age?
2) How much will he improve in the future?
The answer to #1 is, he might be the best 17/18 year old ever. I mean, there's no proper comparison to Flagg, because anybody else you mention was in HS at that age. But he is surely a contender for the "best ever" crown.
The answer to #2, in contrast, is wide open. Personally, I think his game/mindset is of the sort that will improve greatly, but if you feel otherwise that's OK. You might be right.
Flagg shooting in low 30s would be still a better scorer than Wagner or Siakam, because his FTr is amazing and very similar to Zion (~45%), Tatum had 38% FTr in college and still shoots over 6 attempts a game on regular basis in the NBA, Banchero was at 37% in Duke and averages +7 FTA as an NBA player. 7-8 FTA a game sounds like a fair projection, so him without a legit spot up shooting from 3 IMHO would be more of Jimmy Butler-type scorer.zero rings wrote:As for his improvement, I think it mostly comes down to his jump shot. If he can knock down ~40% of his threes in the NBA, the sky is the limit. We’re talking peak Kawhi Leonard with playmaking. If he’s a low 30’s shooter, he might plateau as a Wagner or Siakam type of scorer. A good piece for sure, but not an elite offense unto himself.
The defense and playmaking should translate no matter what.
FrodoBaggins wrote:Do we think Cooper has NPOY locked up with Auburn losing to Texas A&M and Broome playing poorly? Two single-digit, sub-45% FG performances in a row. A strong outing against UNC will put the icing on the cake for Flagg.
FrodoBaggins wrote:Do we think Cooper has NPOY locked up with Auburn losing to Texas A&M and Broome playing poorly? Two single-digit, sub-45% FG performances in a row. A strong outing against UNC will put the icing on the cake for Flagg.
Handlez wrote:FrodoBaggins wrote:Do we think Cooper has NPOY locked up with Auburn losing to Texas A&M and Broome playing poorly? Two single-digit, sub-45% FG performances in a row. A strong outing against UNC will put the icing on the cake for Flagg.
That's what I'm wondering.
Did Broome's recent slide cost him the POY award.
May be Cooper's now.
But I will say Broome has faced better competition.
Bernman wrote:Tomtolbert wrote:You are completely off base about Duncan. A few points:
Duncan first started playing basketball at age 14, and was far behind the curve compared to other kids his age in terms of experience.
He was only 17 years old as a college freshman (only 3 years after first playing the sport), and didn't turn 18 till after the season ended.
By his sophomore season, he had already become the consensus #1 pick if he decided to declare for the draft. This despite the fact that the 1995 draft was loaded with talent, especially with big men.
You're the one completely off base, & I already proved it. Flagg was 17-18 this season & is already better than Duncan in his junior yr by some measures, let alone for Duncan's debut season. That should have ended this myth you're perpetrating.
I was around for the Duncan yrs. I know the hype wasn't AS great. Obviously there was some since he went #1.
Raps in 4 wrote:Silver better not give the pick to the Mavs. They don't deserve it.
He can rig it for anyone else and I won't mind. Just not the Mavs.
og15 wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Silver better not give the pick to the Mavs. They don't deserve it.
He can rig it for anyone else and I won't mind. Just not the Mavs.
If he doesn't rig it (which I think is dumb anyways) any lottery team can win including the Mavs, so what you're really asking for is that the league should rig it against the Mavs in case they do win, lol
Raps in 4 wrote:og15 wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Silver better not give the pick to the Mavs. They don't deserve it.
He can rig it for anyone else and I won't mind. Just not the Mavs.
If he doesn't rig it (which I think is dumb anyways) any lottery team can win including the Mavs, so what you're really asking for is that the league should rig it against the Mavs in case they do win, lol
If the Mavs are in the lottery, they're going to have ~1% chance of winning the first overall pick. If they get it, it'd be as close to indisputable evidence the draft is rigged as you can get.
Ice Man wrote:Why would anybody want to help the Mavs? Dallas isn't an unusually large markets and the Mavs are just another team. If the league were to rig the lottery, which of course it will not, a much wiser choice would be my Bulls, who are still the single biggest NBA brand overseas, a quarter century after their last title.
The Master wrote:Flagg shooting in low 30s would be still a better scorer than Wagner or Siakam, because his FTr is amazing and very similar to Zion (~45%), Tatum had 38% FTr in college and still shoots over 6 attempts a game on regular basis in the NBA, Banchero was at 37% in Duke and averages +7 FTA as an NBA player. 7-8 FTA a game sounds like a fair projection, so him without a legit spot up shooting from 3 IMHO would be more of Jimmy Butler-type scorer.zero rings wrote:As for his improvement, I think it mostly comes down to his jump shot. If he can knock down ~40% of his threes in the NBA, the sky is the limit. We’re talking peak Kawhi Leonard with playmaking. If he’s a low 30’s shooter, he might plateau as a Wagner or Siakam type of scorer. A good piece for sure, but not an elite offense unto himself.
The defense and playmaking should translate no matter what.
You are obviously right that his shooting development will be crucial for his projection as a scorer overall, just pointing out how great he can be on so many levels:
- 20PPG on 61TS% as an 18yo,
- 38.2% from 3s and 82.8% from FT,
- 6.0 FTA per game
- 4.2 APG per game
- 2.2 TOV per game
- on the best offense in college
He literally checks all the boxes to project 27-7 super efficient offensive output. He projects very well as a shooter, great as a playmaker, elite as a slasher. Doesn't mean he'll reach these heights, but again - what was the last time we've seen something like that? Even ignoring Flagg being younger than any college prospect? And him being perhaps the best defender among those high-volume offensive players?
If he ends up this year on a high note - that's generational output.
LakerLegend wrote:Apparently there's a possibility OKC can get Flagg via all the picks they've acquired?
Is this via a non lottery protected pick they traded for?
Ice Man wrote:Why would anybody want to help the Mavs? Dallas isn't an unusually large markets and the Mavs are just another team. If the league were to rig the lottery, which of course it will not, a much wiser choice would be my Bulls, who are still the single biggest NBA brand overseas, a quarter century after their last title.
