Knecht offerts

[SkyHook]

Collier has come on nicely as well, winning his first rookie of the month award. I love his court vision. As of when I checked last week: since the start of 2025, he has a higher assist rate than everyone except Jokic and McConnell and a better assist-to-turnover ratio than: Harden, Trae, Lebron, Cade, Garland, Ja, Luka, Westbrook, Lillard, Maxey, Booker, Steph...

[Ducklett]

I think WCJ would fit quite well on the Lakers, personally. I know most of the Magic fanbase hates him now (as is our way to pick a player and blame everything on them) but he is a fine player and was just fine in our playoff run last year.

[BlazersBroncos]

IDK, I think LAL should hold on to him barring a trade that really improves the team.

Dalton long term as the 4th guy on a Luka run team is a nice play IMO - shooter that moves a ton. Should really benefit from Luka's vision.

Really what LAL should be doing is targeting a guy that expires summer 2026. The best bet for LAL to get a 2nd fiddle long term w/ Luka is in FA (Or using cap space) that offseason. Walker for example will be due an extension summer 2026 unless he plays on the QO, which seems unlikely. Do they want to burn their cap on Kessler?

They should do something like - Rui + Vincent + Maxi for Ayton + Thybulle (IDK if or how many SRP to PDX)

G - Luka Doncic / Tyus or Tre Jones (TPMLE) /Bronny James
G - Austin Reaves / Matisse Thybulle / Shake Milton
F - Dorian Finney-Smith / Dalton Knetch / (VM)
F - LeBron James / Jarred Vanderbilt / (2025 SRP)
C - DeAndre Ayton / Jaxson Hayes (VM) / Tre Jemison

Keeps the cap space open for 2026 while rounding out the squad IMO.

[LightTheBeam]

Williams/Buzelis were drafted as projects and Topic was known to be hurt going into the draft. I don't think their lack of production relative to Knecht in their rookie years is going to move the needle much. Knecht was expected to be better as a rookie, and he hasn't been SO MUCH better than expected that you'd have to re-assess what you think Knecht's NBA projection/ceiling is.

So Sheppard, Salaun, Carrington and Dillingham, maybe Carter? That's 12-13.

Well if you are looking at a redraft you have to look at the guys taken after 17 too, right? A few guys that I think have been better already than I thought they would be at the draft -- Jaylen Wells in the 2nd round wouldn't happen again, Filipowski in the early 2nd looks like a rotation stretch big. Post looks serviceable enough that he's probably not going in the 50s again. Missi at 21 looks like a limited skill set but rotation big. I think Da Silva's shot has been a bit more consistent overall (a few points below but not nearly the same swings in %) and shot well enough in college I expect he'll still get better there and he would have a similar profile as Knecht with a bit more size and rebounding.

Also maybe I'm crazy, I don't think any of those teams take Knecht over their guys yet.

Sheppard is super raw, but his upside is far higher and he's shown flashes.
Carrington & Dillingham still definitely go ahead of Knecht.
Supposedly the Kings knew Carter was injured at the draft, so it's not surprising he hasnt really played. If anything maybe we regret not taking Ware or Da Silva.

So that leaves Salaun, who is very very raw and a 19 year old prospect. I'm not sure, Charlotte seems far enough away they'd prefer Salaun upside but that ones debatable cuz we know they like Knecht.

Da Silva
Missi
Dunn
Flip
Wells
Definitely go above him. I think he stays in that 15-22 range even if the re-draft was today.

[Stanq]

Williams/Buzelis were drafted as projects and Topic was known to be hurt going into the draft. I don't think their lack of production relative to Knecht in their rookie years is going to move the needle much. Knecht was expected to be better as a rookie, and he hasn't been SO MUCH better than expected that you'd have to re-assess what you think Knecht's NBA projection/ceiling is.

So Sheppard, Salaun, Carrington and Dillingham, maybe Carter? That's 12-13.

Well if you are looking at a redraft you have to look at the guys taken after 17 too, right? A few guys that I think have been better already than I thought they would be at the draft -- Jaylen Wells in the 2nd round wouldn't happen again, Filipowski in the early 2nd looks like a rotation stretch big. Post looks serviceable enough that he's probably not going in the 50s again. Missi at 21 looks like a limited skill set but rotation big. I think Da Silva's shot has been a bit more consistent overall (a few points below but not nearly the same swings in %) and shot well enough in college I expect he'll still get better there and he would have a similar profile as Knecht with a bit more size and rebounding.

That's a very valid point for a redraft. But when talking about market value, given that most of these guys aren't available and Knetch could be, I think he will be regard in favor of those who went ahead, not the ones gone after.

[schaffy]

So Sheppard, Salaun, Carrington and Dillingham, maybe Carter? That's 12-13.

Well if you are looking at a redraft you have to look at the guys taken after 17 too, right? A few guys that I think have been better already than I thought they would be at the draft -- Jaylen Wells in the 2nd round wouldn't happen again, Filipowski in the early 2nd looks like a rotation stretch big. Post looks serviceable enough that he's probably not going in the 50s again. Missi at 21 looks like a limited skill set but rotation big. I think Da Silva's shot has been a bit more consistent overall (a few points below but not nearly the same swings in %) and shot well enough in college I expect he'll still get better there and he would have a similar profile as Knecht with a bit more size and rebounding.

That's a very valid point for a redraft. But when talking about market value, given that most of these guys aren't available and Knetch could be, I think he will be regard in favor of those who went ahead, not the ones gone after.

I'm a little lost as you were the one who initially suggested that if you re-do the 24 draft he moves up about 4 spots, and then seemed to back that up only looking at guys taken in front of him. Thats just an incomplete analysis by not looking at guys taken after him that have potentially played better (that you now seem to be trying to justify).

I also just disagree that he'd move up much at all. I think almost every guy taken in front of him was taken as a project for a team betting more on the longterm upside, except for Edey and Carter to some extent. Like Dillingham for example, who you list. He's a potential PG of the future who the front office liked as another guy who could get his own shot when needed but also provide youth at the position behind a 37 yr old PG. He hasn't played much or consistently -- theres been games he has looked great and games he tries to do too much and looks terrible. Hes a 20 yr old, smaller PG and that happens. I dont think there is anyway the Wolves would go back in time and take Knecht instead as he doesnt fit what they need. Maybe they'd have taken McCain or Carrington instead.

I dont necessarily agree that today any of those teams would instead prefer Knecht. All those teams had a chance to take Knecht and they all passed for 1 reason or another. Maybe some teams have changed their optimism on their own young guys after 60 some-odd games. But I dont think Knechts current play thus far would materially change how people view his long-term output vs what they thought at the time of the draft.

[Stanq]

Well if you are looking at a redraft you have to look at the guys taken after 17 too, right? A few guys that I think have been better already than I thought they would be at the draft -- Jaylen Wells in the 2nd round wouldn't happen again, Filipowski in the early 2nd looks like a rotation stretch big. Post looks serviceable enough that he's probably not going in the 50s again. Missi at 21 looks like a limited skill set but rotation big. I think Da Silva's shot has been a bit more consistent overall (a few points below but not nearly the same swings in %) and shot well enough in college I expect he'll still get better there and he would have a similar profile as Knecht with a bit more size and rebounding.

That's a very valid point for a redraft. But when talking about market value, given that most of these guys aren't available and Knetch could be, I think he will be regard in favor of those who went ahead, not the ones gone after.

I'm a little lost as you were the one who initially suggested that if you re-do the 24 draft he moves up about 4 spots, and then seemed to back that up only looking at guys taken in front of him. Thats just an incomplete analysis by not looking at guys taken after him that have potentially played better (that you now seem to be trying to justify).

I also just disagree that he'd move up much at all. I think almost every guy taken in front of him was taken as a project for a team betting more on the longterm upside, except for Edey and Carter to some extent. Like Dillingham for example, who you list. He's a potential PG of the future who the front office liked as another guy who could get his own shot when needed but also provide youth at the position behind a 37 yr old PG. He hasn't played much or consistently -- theres been games he has looked great and games he tries to do too much and looks terrible. Hes a 20 yr old, smaller PG and that happens. I dont think there is anyway the Wolves would go back in time and take Knecht instead as he doesnt fit what they need. Maybe they'd have taken McCain or Carrington instead.

I dont necessarily agree that today any of those teams would instead prefer Knecht. All those teams had a chance to take Knecht and they all passed for 1 reason or another. Maybe some teams have changed their optimism on their own young guys after 60 some-odd games. But I dont think Knechts current play thus far would materially change how people view his long-term output vs what they thought at the time of the draft.

The point was made while discussing how valuable he is, which for me is a good first, in the 10-15 range. That’s why the draft position discussion, not solely to re-do the draft. I think a FRO pick today from a team like Orlando worth about the same as Dalton Knetch, whereas a pick from the Knicks worth less and a pick from NOP worth more.

[zimpy27]

That's a very valid point for a redraft. But when talking about market value, given that most of these guys aren't available and Knetch could be, I think he will be regard in favor of those who went ahead, not the ones gone after.

I'm a little lost as you were the one who initially suggested that if you re-do the 24 draft he moves up about 4 spots, and then seemed to back that up only looking at guys taken in front of him. Thats just an incomplete analysis by not looking at guys taken after him that have potentially played better (that you now seem to be trying to justify).

I also just disagree that he'd move up much at all. I think almost every guy taken in front of him was taken as a project for a team betting more on the longterm upside, except for Edey and Carter to some extent. Like Dillingham for example, who you list. He's a potential PG of the future who the front office liked as another guy who could get his own shot when needed but also provide youth at the position behind a 37 yr old PG. He hasn't played much or consistently -- theres been games he has looked great and games he tries to do too much and looks terrible. Hes a 20 yr old, smaller PG and that happens. I dont think there is anyway the Wolves would go back in time and take Knecht instead as he doesnt fit what they need. Maybe they'd have taken McCain or Carrington instead.

I dont necessarily agree that today any of those teams would instead prefer Knecht. All those teams had a chance to take Knecht and they all passed for 1 reason or another. Maybe some teams have changed their optimism on their own young guys after 60 some-odd games. But I dont think Knechts current play thus far would materially change how people view his long-term output vs what they thought at the time of the draft.

The point was made while discussing how valuable he is, which for me is a good first, in the 10-15 range. That’s why the draft position discussion, not solely to re-do the draft. I think a FRO pick today from a team like Orlando worth about the same as Dalton Knetch, whereas a pick from the Knicks worth less and a pick from NOP worth more.

I think it's too early to do a redraft but only guys that definitely go ahead of him now I think are:
Sarr, Edey, McCain, Ware, Castle, Clingan

Borderline because they are top pick projects that showed something or have performed ok in a niche role:
Risacher, Buzelis, Post, Missi, Reed, Dilly, Dunn

So I guess I have Knecht around 14

[Snakebites]

If we had our first this year (17-21 range) I’d trade it for Knect.

[Astaluego]

If we had our first this year (17-21 range) I’d trade it for Knect.

Markkanen/Knech to PISTONS..
The Pistons gain size at the 4 to start with a frontcourt of ....which should improve spacing and defense
..signs Capela to maintain a balloon threat alongside Cade.

Cade/Beasley/Thompson/Lauri/Stewart
Sasser/Knecht/Holland/Klitman/Capela?


Duren the LAKERS

Harris/Fontecchio/Ivey/Lakers 31 to JAZZ