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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#181 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Mar 5, 2025 11:48 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Josh needs to come off the bench. His shooting is just non existent

Hart's 3pt shooting by month:

October: 27.8%
November: 40.4%
December: 42.6%
January: 25.0%
February: 23.8%
March: 0%

He's still overall efficient because he's at 80% from the line and an absurd 65% from 2, and we can live with those numbers if we have KAT at the 5, but if we're gonna put Hart next to Mitch or Precious, it won't work

Example, Hart and Towns has a Net of +8.5 (would be 3rd in the league), but Hart and Precious have a Net of -3.5 (would be 8th worst in the league, just below the Blazers), and that's in 500 minutes together so not a small sample size. O rating drops from 121.5 (would be #2 in the league) with KAT to 113.5 with Precious (would be 15th, so not awful, but not nearly as good)

Mitch hasn't played enough minutes with Hart to get stats on him

My controversial take is that we need to start Deuce instead of Hart, not Mitch.


Deuce with the starting lineup is basically better on both ends. While Hart likes to push the tempo, his presence in the half-court with Brunson makes him a liability offensively. He works way better with the bench unit. Payne/Hart/Shamet/stretch 4/Robinson.


I'm also on board with Deuce starting at SG, but I want Mitch to start so that KAT won't be the anchor on D.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#183 » by Adelheid » Thu Mar 6, 2025 12:36 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
JXL wrote:
DOT wrote:Hart's 3pt shooting by month:

October: 27.8%
November: 40.4%
December: 42.6%
January: 25.0%
February: 23.8%
March: 0%

He's still overall efficient because he's at 80% from the line and an absurd 65% from 2, and we can live with those numbers if we have KAT at the 5, but if we're gonna put Hart next to Mitch or Precious, it won't work

Example, Hart and Towns has a Net of +8.5 (would be 3rd in the league), but Hart and Precious have a Net of -3.5 (would be 8th worst in the league, just below the Blazers), and that's in 500 minutes together so not a small sample size. O rating drops from 121.5 (would be #2 in the league) with KAT to 113.5 with Precious (would be 15th, so not awful, but not nearly as good)

Mitch hasn't played enough minutes with Hart to get stats on him

My controversial take is that we need to start Deuce instead of Hart, not Mitch.


Deuce with the starting lineup is basically better on both ends. While Hart likes to push the tempo, his presence in the half-court with Brunson makes him a liability offensively. He works way better with the bench unit. Payne/Hart/Shamet/stretch 4/Robinson.


I'm also on board with Deuce starting at SG, but I want Mitch to start so that KAT won't be the anchor on D.


the idea that KAT can be a rim protecting 5 is so freaking (Please Use More Appropriate Word), i can't even fathom there are highly paid people allowing this to happen
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#184 » by Spree2Houston » Thu Mar 6, 2025 12:41 am

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#185 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Mar 6, 2025 1:56 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:Evan Roberts on WFAN brought up a good point about Mikal: he isn't the same player that he was in BKN and is playing afraid of contact. I had to think about it and I kinda agree. The way he is playing overall is not the same as the guy i saw when he first got traded by Phoenix.

He was getting to the line and fighting around screens. Now? He's not doing any of that.

Full disclosure, I missed the game last night, so I can't speak to how he played against GS, but something isn't right with him. Is he trying to avoid contact to keep his streak going or something?

Weird stuff.



With the Nets he was at 27.3% and 23.7% frequency as the pick and roll ball handler, with us he's at 9.5% frequency. Basically he's not getting the ball and playing off picks anymore.


Changing his shot was disastrous to his game, you see it in the fact he can't shoot above the break threes without catching the ball and using momentum to shoot it. With the Nets he could hit top of the key threes off a dribble and screen and without needing to run to do it. We haven't used him well but the form change was an idiotic move that also impacted his freethrow percentage.


Which is why he wants no parts of contact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which leads to him only attempting fadeaway jumpers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which he makes… here, Bridges is used to maximize his strengths, which is as a defender, slasher and post-up player against smaller guards. It is a vastly reduced role, which is good, and he’s adjusting to that. It also shows in the numbers, which y’all don’t like but should get over - he’s had a good game against GSW.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#186 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:00 am

Adelheid wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
JXL wrote:
Deuce with the starting lineup is basically better on both ends. While Hart likes to push the tempo, his presence in the half-court with Brunson makes him a liability offensively. He works way better with the bench unit. Payne/Hart/Shamet/stretch 4/Robinson.


I'm also on board with Deuce starting at SG, but I want Mitch to start so that KAT won't be the anchor on D.


the idea that KAT can be a rim protecting 5 is so freaking (Please Use More Appropriate Word), i can't even fathom there are highly paid people allowing this to happen

Yeah, Mitch has to start imo. He changed the whole dynamic of this team. Hart is an incredible plus off the bench.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#187 » by HopelessKnick » Thu Mar 6, 2025 10:06 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
JXL wrote:
DOT wrote:Hart's 3pt shooting by month:

October: 27.8%
November: 40.4%
December: 42.6%
January: 25.0%
February: 23.8%
March: 0%

He's still overall efficient because he's at 80% from the line and an absurd 65% from 2, and we can live with those numbers if we have KAT at the 5, but if we're gonna put Hart next to Mitch or Precious, it won't work

Example, Hart and Towns has a Net of +8.5 (would be 3rd in the league), but Hart and Precious have a Net of -3.5 (would be 8th worst in the league, just below the Blazers), and that's in 500 minutes together so not a small sample size. O rating drops from 121.5 (would be #2 in the league) with KAT to 113.5 with Precious (would be 15th, so not awful, but not nearly as good)

Mitch hasn't played enough minutes with Hart to get stats on him

My controversial take is that we need to start Deuce instead of Hart, not Mitch.


Deuce with the starting lineup is basically better on both ends. While Hart likes to push the tempo, his presence in the half-court with Brunson makes him a liability offensively. He works way better with the bench unit. Payne/Hart/Shamet/stretch 4/Robinson.


I'm also on board with Deuce starting at SG, but I want Mitch to start so that KAT won't be the anchor on D.


I completely understand where you guys are coming from, but the problem then is that you will have Hart, Precious and Mitch off the bench which essentially kills any potential spacing etc. What you are essentially saying is we need another guy that can shoot and defend well. We thought we'd get that and more in Bridges but he has been completely underwhelming---his 3 pointer is even below average which has been truly unexpected.

The problem with this roster remains that you have 2 strictly offensive players in JB and KAT that need to play a lot for the team to be competitive offensively and then you have two strictly defensive players in Precious and Mitch.....we have 2 good 2-way players in Deuce and OG that can shoot the 3 effectively.....and a player that currently seems not right in Bridges. If you look at other elite teams they have more players that can do it all. And then we have a coach that may be good, but is certainly not elite and his track record proves that.

Either Bridges can elevate his shot and defense back to Phoenix times or we have to get creative with the roster or coaching position. With current personnel we simply are not as good as Boston, OKC or Cleveland....and we definitely have the worst coach out of these 3 teams.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#188 » by nedleeds » Thu Mar 6, 2025 4:17 pm

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robillionaire wrote:Hopefully towns will come back and save us soon. Hopefully his personal issue is ok. Very bad team with plodding rim runner at the 5


I'm not worried about Mitch. Takes time to get his game legs under him. Least he was more active on the glass than slow-ass Achiuwa.


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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Warriors: Pathetic. 

Post#189 » by nedleeds » Thu Mar 6, 2025 4:18 pm

The KnicksFix wrote:Watching Mikal makes my eyes bleed, do you play defense? Do you play offense? Do you do anything on the offensive end to help the team other than take tough fadeaways? You bum


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