Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[oldncreaky]

Have you given up on the idea of Anthony Black being that guy?

Watched Black for the 2 games in a row against a Raptor squad blatantly tanking, keeping its best players on the bench in crunch time because of "minutes restrictions", and winning anyway. As others have noted, Wagner and Banchero played well, but the rest of the Magic were pretty tragic.

Black is a good young prospect, above-average defender, and may yet develop into a rotation piece -- but he is nowhere near ready to run a good team

I've got a strong feeling Black gets moved in the summer with one of WCJ or Jett and a 1st for a better fitting player. Black is really the only decent young piece that shows some promise that could entice a tanking team.

Sounds reasonable -- Orlando has a lot of pieces that have value. If that better fitting piece is a lead guard, I think Orlando could make a jump. As I said to start the discussion, I can't recall seeing a team in more need of a lead guard to run the O.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Watched Black for the 2 games in a row against a Raptor squad blatantly tanking, keeping its best players on the bench in crunch time because of "minutes restrictions", and winning anyway. As others have noted, Wagner and Banchero played well, but the rest of the Magic were pretty tragic.

Black is a good young prospect, above-average defender, and may yet develop into a rotation piece -- but he is nowhere near ready to run a good team

I've got a strong feeling Black gets moved in the summer with one of WCJ or Jett and a 1st for a better fitting player. Black is really the only decent young piece that shows some promise that could entice a tanking team.

Sounds reasonable -- Orlando has a lot of pieces that have value. If that better fitting piece is a lead guard, I think Orlando could make a jump. As I said to start the discussion, I can't recall seeing a team in more need of a lead guard to run the O.

we've been saying it for years on the Orlando page and thought this past deadline they'd at least kick the tires on a guard like Simons/Sexton/White level

[slos]

For some reason Magic love their FRPs and aren't willing to trade them. Maybe they will be better off letting that 8th seed to Atlanta (they would certainly welcome it since they don't own their FRP) and enter the lottery. They are going nowhere without Suggs as currently constracted and stealth tanking should be a better option than forcing Suggs to play earlier at this point.

Jakucionis could fall in their hands with that strategy.

[jayjaysee]

So what’s the singular best asset for DDV?

Assuming.. Naz agrees to opt in and extend as a last favor to Minn?

Conley and 33rd to Washington (buyout immediately?)
KD to Minnesota
Randle, Shannon, Det first, DDV salary/value to Phoenix
DDV to fourth team

Have Washington and Phoenix send their late 2nds to Minnesota. Minnesota can spend right up to the second apron if NAW will take 9-10 million? Is he worth more than Mitchell/DJJ got? Wiggle some extra room by chopping Garza salary down to a late 2nd round pick?

[Godaddycurse]

So what’s the singular best asset for DDV?

Assuming.. Naz agrees to opt in and extend as a last favor to Minn?

Conley and 33rd to Washington (buyout immediately?)
KD to Minnesota
Randle, Shannon, Det first, DDV salary/value to Phoenix
DDV to fourth team

Have Washington and Phoenix send their late 2nds to Minnesota. Minnesota can spend right up to the second apron if NAW will take 9-10 million? Is he worth more than Mitchell/DJJ got? Wiggle some extra room by chopping Garza salary down to a late 2nd round pick?

Didn't naz already said he would opt out. I have NAW aiming for full MLE at least

[jayjaysee]

So what’s the singular best asset for DDV?

Assuming.. Naz agrees to opt in and extend as a last favor to Minn?

Conley and 33rd to Washington (buyout immediately?)
KD to Minnesota
Randle, Shannon, Det first, DDV salary/value to Phoenix
DDV to fourth team

Have Washington and Phoenix send their late 2nds to Minnesota. Minnesota can spend right up to the second apron if NAW will take 9-10 million? Is he worth more than Mitchell/DJJ got? Wiggle some extra room by chopping Garza salary down to a late 2nd round pick?

Didn't naz already said he would opt out. I have NAW aiming for full MLE at least

I agree he is aiming for it. I think NAW and DJJ were both aiming for the MLE last year.

Naz part? Yeah. But that’s why it’s one last favor? The max they can give him, player option, all the dressings? No idea if he’d sacrifice that one year money or not. No idea what Brooklyn will give him? Detroit can offer him a deal starting around 20-22 if they go that route and clear cap space?

[Mavrelous]

So what’s the singular best asset for DDV?

Assuming.. Naz agrees to opt in and extend as a last favor to Minn?

Conley and 33rd to Washington (buyout immediately?)
KD to Minnesota
Randle, Shannon, Det first, DDV salary/value to Phoenix
DDV to fourth team

Have Washington and Phoenix send their late 2nds to Minnesota. Minnesota can spend right up to the second apron if NAW will take 9-10 million? Is he worth more than Mitchell/DJJ got? Wiggle some extra room by chopping Garza salary down to a late 2nd round pick?

Gafford + 2 2nds?

[Astaluego]

I think a veteran like McCollum would be a blessing for Orlando.

[Mavrelous]

Bizarre that Lakers 23 off season moves, extending Rui, Vando and Reaves, signing Gabe and signing DLo to a human trade exception that turned to DFS, yielded only after 25 deadline...
Vando injured, Gave injured, DLo couldn't get traded before turning to expiring, and Reaves rebounded after quasi disappointing year last year.

[Astaluego]

In my opinion the Knicks need a scorer/offense generator when Brunson sits...

I'm not sure how to adjust the value

M.Robinson to LAKERS
Maxi+2 SRP(Lakers) to JAZZ
Clarksson to KNICKS..?

Or

Knech+Maxi(Cut) to BULLS
Robinson+Dadiet to LAKERS
White to KNICKS

then the Knicks go for Adams in FA?

[Domejandro]

So what’s the singular best asset for DDV?

Assuming.. Naz agrees to opt in and extend as a last favor to Minn?

Conley and 33rd to Washington (buyout immediately?)
KD to Minnesota
Randle, Shannon, Det first, DDV salary/value to Phoenix
DDV to fourth team

Have Washington and Phoenix send their late 2nds to Minnesota. Minnesota can spend right up to the second apron if NAW will take 9-10 million? Is he worth more than Mitchell/DJJ got? Wiggle some extra room by chopping Garza salary down to a late 2nd round pick?

Didn't naz already said he would opt out. I have NAW aiming for full MLE at least

For the record, it was a patented Jake Fischer garbage report where Naz Reid was trending, so he threw out a "Teams are preparing for Naz Reid to opt-out!" (which is a complete nonstatement).

I fully expect him to opt-out, but the reporting was worthless.

[Mavrelous]

I wouldn't have it as a given Naz is opting out, I think opt in and max extension is in play, he's in a similar spot to Kyrie 1.5 years ago, he needs his team help to get more money and the team only loses by helping him, he has to work with them to get paid.

[Godaddycurse]

I wouldn't have it as a given Naz is opting out, I think opt in and max extension is in play, he's in a similar spot to Kyrie 1.5 years ago, he needs his team help to get more money and the team only loses by helping him, he has to work with them to get paid.

Dont think Detroit needs minny help to offer him a better deal

[Mavrelous]

I wouldn't have it as a given Naz is opting out, I think opt in and max extension is in play, he's in a similar spot to Kyrie 1.5 years ago, he needs his team help to get more money and the team only loses by helping him, he has to work with them to get paid.

Dont think Detroit needs minny help to offer him a better deal

We'll see, they need to renounce everyone's bird rights, Cade not make all NBA, to have the cap space to pursue him, I just don't see this happening for Naz Reid, the likeliest scenario for DET is MLE route or smaller cap of ~MLE sized + room exception.
He's eligible to ~110/5 with the Wolves, he'd need to get more than 100/4 for this to be worth it for him.

[Texas Chuck]

I wouldn't have it as a given Naz is opting out, I think opt in and max extension is in play, he's in a similar spot to Kyrie 1.5 years ago, he needs his team help to get more money and the team only loses by helping him, he has to work with them to get paid.

Dont think Detroit needs minny help to offer him a better deal

We'll see, they need to renounce everyone's bird rights, Cade not make all NBA, to have the cap space to pursue him, I just don't see this happening for Naz Reid, the likeliest scenario for DET is MLE route or smaller cap of ~MLE sized + room exception.
He's eligible to ~110/5 with the Wolves, he'd need to get more than 100/4 for this to be worth it for him.

They have some other easy paths to clear salary to make room.

But I'm not sure Naz should be a target unless they move on from Stewart.*

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Spoiler:

They should move on from Stewart, but not saying this where any Pistons fans can see. I know he's beloved.

[oldncreaky]

Dont think Detroit needs minny help to offer him a better deal

We'll see, they need to renounce everyone's bird rights, Cade not make all NBA, to have the cap space to pursue him, I just don't see this happening for Naz Reid, the likeliest scenario for DET is MLE route or smaller cap of ~MLE sized + room exception.
He's eligible to ~110/5 with the Wolves, he'd need to get more than 100/4 for this to be worth it for him.

They have some other easy paths to clear salary to make room.

But I'm not sure Naz should be a target unless they move on from Stewart.*

*

Spoiler:

They should move on from Stewart, but not saying this where any Pistons fans can see. I know he's beloved.

Detroit 2025-26

Estimated salary cap $154.6M

10 players under contract for $127.4M

The only player I think they'd dump is Fontecchio at $8.3M

Most fans think they'll keep the rights to Beasley who has been far too good to lose. His cap hold is $7.2M. The rest can be renounced. No FRP.

Add in holds for minimum roster spots, and Detroit has around $25M in cap space.

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Reid might be a nice target for Detroit. However, he might be expensive to pry away, and I'm not sure he'd be the first target. I've long thought that if IND wants to move on from Obi Toppin for financial reasons (if IND keeps Turner they are well into the tax next year) Obi would be a great fit in terms of play/role/salary on DET

[Mavrelous]

We'll see, they need to renounce everyone's bird rights, Cade not make all NBA, to have the cap space to pursue him, I just don't see this happening for Naz Reid, the likeliest scenario for DET is MLE route or smaller cap of ~MLE sized + room exception.
He's eligible to ~110/5 with the Wolves, he'd need to get more than 100/4 for this to be worth it for him.

They have some other easy paths to clear salary to make room.

But I'm not sure Naz should be a target unless they move on from Stewart.*

*

Spoiler:

They should move on from Stewart, but not saying this where any Pistons fans can see. I know he's beloved.

Detroit 2025-26

Estimated salary cap $154.6M

10 players under contract for $127.4M

The only player I think they'd dump is Fontecchio at $8.3M

Most fans think they'll keep the rights to Beasley who has been far too good to lose. His cap hold is $7.2M. The rest can be renounced. No FRP.

Add in holds for minimum roster spots, and Detroit has around $25M in cap space.

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Reid might be a nice target for Detroit. However, he might be expensive to pry away, and I'm not sure he'd be the first target. I've long thought that if IND wants to move on from Obi Toppin for financial reasons (if IND keeps Turner they are well into the tax next year) Obi would be a great fit in terms of play/role/salary on DET

Does this accout for Cade making all NBA? It will eat additional ~7M.

[HadAnEffectHere]

What extension do we think Kessler gets this offseason?

Close to 5/150 or 5/200?

I think 5/150 is his floor at this point just because the Jazz have said over and over again that they're intentionally losing for AJ next year and they refuse to trade Kessler... So they have to sit Walker as much as possible and they'll only get away with it if they massively overpay him.

[Mavrelous]

What extension do we think Kessler gets this offseason?

Close to 5/150 or 5/200?

This the problem with tanking, you don't know hoe much you should pay the role players when you don't have thr star...

[Texas Chuck]

I wouldn't pay him close to either of those numbers.