How good is and can Payton Pritchard be?

[og15]

the NBA is all about usage. There are a lot of guys languishing on NBA benches or down in the G-League that would produce if given the chance. Pritchard would put up all-star numbers if he was starting. His PER 36 have always indicated this. His defense is actually better than most point guards so it's funny how that is brought up all the time as a negative. I'd certainly take him and start him over anyone else on our roster in a heartbeat. I feel bad for him because of the contract he was forced to sign. Notice how they held back minutes/usage until he signed and now he's getting near starter minutes since. That's how you artificially keep a player's value down to screw him over. His agent failed him big time. But I guess he didn't foresee his minutes increasing and didn't want to bet on himself either. I hope to see him prove me right if/when he gets a chance to start somewhere someday.

Depends on what you mean by "produce". There are a lot of guys who can put up counting stats, yes, but whether they can have positive impact of be efficient over a large sample is a different question.

Prime JJ Redick is probably a good comp for him. People may say Redick was just a shooter but he could play point guard actually.

JJ is not a good comparison, and he would be the first to tell you that he can't "play point guard". He would say something more like, I can pass a little bit, he can be a little back up ball handler and can create from the off ball actions, but saying he can play point guard is a stretch. The difference in handles between them is pretty massive.

[RRR3]

the NBA is all about usage. There are a lot of guys languishing on NBA benches or down in the G-League that would produce if given the chance. Pritchard would put up all-star numbers if he was starting. His PER 36 have always indicated this. His defense is actually better than most point guards so it's funny how that is brought up all the time as a negative. I'd certainly take him and start him over anyone else on our roster in a heartbeat. I feel bad for him because of the contract he was forced to sign. Notice how they held back minutes/usage until he signed and now he's getting near starter minutes since. That's how you artificially keep a player's value down to screw him over. His agent failed him big time. But I guess he didn't foresee his minutes increasing and didn't want to bet on himself either. I hope to see him prove me right if/when he gets a chance to start somewhere someday.

Depends on what you mean by "produce". There are a lot of guys who can put up counting stats, yes, but whether they can have positive impact of be efficient over a large sample is a different question.

Prime JJ Redick is probably a good comp for him. People may say Redick was just a shooter but he could play point guard actually.

JJ is not a good comparison, and he would be the first to tell you that he can't "play point guard". He would say something more like, I can pass a little bit, he can be a little back up ball handler and can create from the off ball actions, but saying he can play point guard is a stretch. The difference in handles between them is pretty massive.

Redick played a good amount of PG in 2013 before he came to the Clippers lol

[mcfly1204]

This Boston spamming 3s era is his peak.

[CobraCommander]

this is the craziest thread on realm.... Payton is a solid bench player on a CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM! that's GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!

He's probably going to win 6th man of the year. Asking if a 6th man of the year winner who's still relatively young and potentially ascending (as opposed to an older player who's already settled into that role over their career) could be a starter somewhere is hardly a crazy thread.

OK, he can be a starter on a bad team

or

he can be a back up on a championship team-

same same

A losing team would definitely start him… he could start - a lot of guys start that are not as good as him honestly- and those teams love the lottery 1

His defense is suspect and his offense is inconsistent - he doesn’t have major size or strength or outrageous athleticism. I love the kid- he is the perfect place- pay him his money but don’t turn him into Jalen Brown -

The nba GMs suck- he may be better than Beal currently - but again that’s a player that can score - not defend on a bad team .

[Fencer reregistered]

You have to at least post his highlight reel from the game with this thread:

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Jesus no. The reason he doesn’t start is because he’s a sieve on d. He’s too easy to target on that end. Until he fixes that he should always be a 6th man type.

I haven't noticed this to be accurate, but I don't watch 50+ games of him a season either, but in the games I've seen, he's held his own about as well as any of the other smaller guards who get minutes

I'd add that he can quite the positive defender at times, due to energy -- most obviously in the full-court pickup, but sometimes in the half court as well.

[Fencer reregistered]

Really good bench player. Don't think he'll expand beyond that. He's not "complete sieve" level defensively, but he's going to get targeted over and over. Boston is a good enough defensive team to kinda hide that aspect a bit, but that issue isn't going away. He's kinda scrappy, but there is only so much that can do.

And of course, the guy is 27. He's in about the best situation he's ever going to find in terms of having a green light to shoot 3's, lots of other ball handlers in the lineup, and lots of good defenders to cover. It's highlighting his strengths and minimizing his weaknesses.

And lots of good shooters to pass to.

His assist/TO ratio is in the 4:1 range these days, which is pretty good for somebody who made his reputation as a scorer.

[Potential]

The young superstar is getting **** robbed right now lol. He'd easily get 40m+ offers in free agency to be the franchise PG somewhere else but it's **** crazy how the Celtics have him held hostage for the next 3 years on an amazing contract for them lmao

[Fencer reregistered]

I feel like he's a system guy for Boston to be honest. Boston spams 50 3's per game and PP only has one job when he gets in the game and that is to spam more 3's. Every time I see him touch the ball he's shooting.I mean you could swap PP out for a lot of players and Boston would be fine, i.e. good 3p shooters mostly coming off the bench like Malik Beasley, etc.

Per BB Reference, Pritchard has never had a season without a game where he got at least 8 assists. And of course he's had games with gaudier passing stats than that -- triple double, many assists with negligible TOs, etc.

Beasley has never had more than 6 assists in a game, ever.

[playa-hater]

Trying to understand the many double standards on here. PP "can't be a starter because he is a Sieve on defense" (not even true) Yet Doncic and Trae Young are all time level bad defenders yet one is an All star and the other (Luka) many consider an MVP level player???

[Big J]

Trying to understand the many double standards on here. PP "can't be a starter because he is a Sieve on defense" (not even true) Yet Doncic and Trae Young are all time level bad defenders yet one is an All star and the other (Luka) many consider an MVP level player???

Those guys are stars. Pritchard is not in the same class as them.

[1993Playoffs]

G league MVP

[playa-hater]

Trying to understand the many double standards on here. PP "can't be a starter because he is a Sieve on defense" (not even true) Yet Doncic and Trae Young are all time level bad defenders yet one is an All star and the other (Luka) many consider an MVP level player???

Those guys are stars. Pritchard is not in the same class as them.

That doesn't matter Pritchard is Being downgraded from whatever his level is because of his supposed bad defense and yet the All the stars do not receive the same treatment.

[Big J]

Trying to understand the many double standards on here. PP "can't be a starter because he is a Sieve on defense" (not even true) Yet Doncic and Trae Young are all time level bad defenders yet one is an All star and the other (Luka) many consider an MVP level player???

Those guys are stars. Pritchard is not in the same class as them.

That doesn't matter Pritchard is Being downgraded from whatever his level is because of his supposed bad defense and yet the All the stars do not receive the same treatment.

What do you mean whatever his level is? His level is what we are seeing. He’s a nice role player, not a star.

[og15]

the NBA is all about usage. There are a lot of guys languishing on NBA benches or down in the G-League that would produce if given the chance. Pritchard would put up all-star numbers if he was starting. His PER 36 have always indicated this. His defense is actually better than most point guards so it's funny how that is brought up all the time as a negative. I'd certainly take him and start him over anyone else on our roster in a heartbeat. I feel bad for him because of the contract he was forced to sign. Notice how they held back minutes/usage until he signed and now he's getting near starter minutes since. That's how you artificially keep a player's value down to screw him over. His agent failed him big time. But I guess he didn't foresee his minutes increasing and didn't want to bet on himself either. I hope to see him prove me right if/when he gets a chance to start somewhere someday.

Depends on what you mean by "produce". There are a lot of guys who can put up counting stats, yes, but whether they can have positive impact of be efficient over a large sample is a different question.

Prime JJ Redick is probably a good comp for him. People may say Redick was just a shooter but he could play point guard actually.

JJ is not a good comparison, and he would be the first to tell you that he can't "play point guard". He would say something more like, I can pass a little bit, he can be a little back up ball handler and can create from the off ball actions, but saying he can play point guard is a stretch. The difference in handles between them is pretty massive.

Redick played a good amount of PG in 2013 before he came to the Clippers lol

Oh I remember as it was one of the arguments I made about the signing to fellow Clippers fans who didn't like that Bledsoe was traded. Which is that he can do some complimentary ball handling and playmaking.

...but Redick is not a guy you would have in a primary ball handler role, he himself would say he's not a PG, and him and Payton's games are not the same.

Redick was a very good pick and roll passer, showed it on the Clippers too, coming off DHO's, wing and top pick and roll, he had a snake dribble, etc. That's different than being a PG and primary ball handler though.

[Lalouie]

he just now peaked
it's all downhill now

[SweaterBae]

We're witnessing his ceiling.

[doogie_hauser]

We're witnessing his ceiling.

And that's not a bad thing.

Some much more talented players than PP never came close to reaching their ceiling.

Payton has worked his literal backside off to get where he is now, he is a testament how hard work, patience and dedication can get a player in today's NBA.

Still got a massive fanbase in Oregon too

[SweaterBae]

We're witnessing his ceiling.

And that's not a bad thing.

Some much more talented players than PP never came close to reaching their ceiling.

Payton has worked his literal backside off to get where he is now, he is a testament how hard work, patience and dedication can get a player in today's NBA.

Still got a massive fanbase in Oregon too

It is not a bad thing, but he's 27.

[doogie_hauser]

We're witnessing his ceiling.

And that's not a bad thing.

Some much more talented players than PP never came close to reaching their ceiling.

Payton has worked his literal backside off to get where he is now, he is a testament how hard work, patience and dedication can get a player in today's NBA.

Still got a massive fanbase in Oregon too

He wasn't a lotto pick and stayed in College the full 4 years.
I don't think he will ever be an All Star type of player but he has become a real glue guy for the Celtics and a fan favourite.

[SweaterBae]

We're witnessing his ceiling.

And that's not a bad thing.

Some much more talented players than PP never came close to reaching their ceiling.

Payton has worked his literal backside off to get where he is now, he is a testament how hard work, patience and dedication can get a player in today's NBA.

Still got a massive fanbase in Oregon too

He wasn't a lotto pick and stayed in College the full 4 years.
I don't think he will ever be an All Star type of player but he has become a real glue guy for the Celtics and a fan favourite.

Don't get me wrong, he's the only player in the league I specifically follow.