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[BowlRips]

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Your loyalty is comendable

Let be fair here...I'm defending his skill set. I'm not defending his play. I'm not on here saying bridges is playing up to his potential he's not. I'm saying he's being used incorrectly.

You don't give up that package...and not run plays for him. If anything I think thats going to get Thibs fired down the road. The FO clearly believes in Bridges talent and fit to this team. He is being used like Dorien Finney Smith...can we at least agree with that?

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We are in agreement. Hell he isn't even using kat correctly. He shouls be firing up more 3s. With all that said play better in the role you're in. He is playing passive on offense is afraid to get to the rim/ft line. He fcked up his shot.

And it's understabdle that knicks fans are frustrated with a guy we gave up 5 picks for is underwhelming. And is being passive on the offensive end. I'm sure I'd like mikal if we didnt go all in on him. But as is this is crippling. We needed another creator and he isn't it. Regardless of system if he can't go 1v1

At this level, rhythm and confidence are the 2 most important things. Right now he has none. On 75 percent of the offensive possessions he doesn’t touch the ball. That’s on Thibs - he needs to scheme him rhythm touches so he gains confidence. And I really don’t buy the bull he can’t create his own shot. He played 110 games for the Nets as the first option and was able to put up 21.5 PPG on 45/37 shooting line, getting to the line almost 5 times a game.
It’s in there - he doesn’t know his role, has no rhythm.
It’s on the coach to maximize his players.

[ezmoney707]

I get why we didn’t do many JB KAT pick n rolls today to avoid Brunson having LeBron switch on him, but there needed to be a double action or more post touches for KAT and more off ball movement (especially on the doubles). We’ve seen this team move with out the ball and make smart cuts. It’s easy to throw that on coaching, but when they show they can do it for multiple quarters, but get into ball stopping mode like they did in the early 4th when Jalen was resting that’s an execution issue. It’s also can issue of not having another on ball creator. Cam Payne 3s are cool when they are going in, but his main objective should be setting up his teammates and the offense, and tonight his minutes killed us.

Beginning of the season, it seemed like we played off Towns in the high post a ton.. now feels like we haven’t seen that in quite some time. Anyone else noticing it?

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

[mpharris36]

No we aren’t. He took 6 shot attempts in 43 minutes. The same Cam Payne had in 10. Dude didn’t want to shoot

Cam Payne takes deep above the break 3's. THe same shots that Donte would take...that is open to them. That is not a Mikal shot. If you wanted a player to take that shot he shouldn't have been acquired in the first place.

THANK YOU.

Why is it so hard for this to be comprehended.

Mikal isn’t a just throw me the ball and go to work player. People so used to watching isolation basketball they don’t realize there is nuance with playstyles. We shouldn’t have gotten Mikal if Thibs was going to be his coach.

Basically this...Mikal is an elite "system" player. He is not a guy you just ISO like brunson. He needs actions to get him to his spots.

There is nothing wrong with that. Rip Hamilton would have been trash in thibs system...if we can even call it that. He needed actions...and he was very good when plays were run for him...but Rip Hamilton also wasn't going to isolate and create his own look doesn't mean he was a bad offensive player.

[robillionaire]

No we aren’t. He took 6 shot attempts in 43 minutes. The same Cam Payne had in 10. Dude didn’t want to shoot

Cam Payne takes deep above the break 3's. THe same shots that Donte would take...that is open to them. That is not a Mikal shot. If you wanted a player to take that shot he shouldn't have been acquired in the first place.

THANK YOU.

Why is it so hard for this to be comprehended.

Mikal isn’t a just throw me the ball and go to work player. People so used to watching isolation basketball they don’t realize there is nuance with playstyles. We shouldn’t have gotten Mikal if Thibs was going to be his coach.

Really makes you wonder how he has managed to average 15 attempts a game all year long in the same system but then suddenly tonight wouldn’t even look for a shot

[Guano]

Not only that but when he does get the ball he’s always going backwards. Looking like Okoro with an endless supply of minutes

It's frustrating to watch. He doesn't even look at the hoop when he gets the ball he is actively trying to get rid of it. And any time he has it in the paint if it's not clear he is taking a fade.

And we are nearing the end of the season and I honestly can't speak on his handle. OG's is comical but he atleast attacks with his. We never see novatilikina show his off.

I'm disgusted we gave up 5 picks for him. I wanted us to stagger him with the bench to create but he has shown he can do that or even wants to at all this season.

OG, for as awkward and stumbling and bumbling as he can be, has had so many more self creation moments this year. Times where you are borderline shocked Anunoby pulled off XYZ. Mikal likes to shoot corner 3s and take fades. It’s a different kind of boring then RJ, but it’s the same tasteless vanilla flavor.

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

[mpharris36]

I get why we didn’t do many JB KAT pick n rolls today to avoid Brunson having LeBron switch on him, but there needed to be a double action or more post touches for KAT and more off ball movement (especially on the doubles). We’ve seen this team move with out the ball and make smart cuts. It’s easy to throw that on coaching, but when they show they can do it for multiple quarters, but get into ball stopping mode like they did in the early 4th when Jalen was resting that’s an execution issue. It’s also can issue of not having another on ball creator. Cam Payne 3s are cool when they are going in, but his main objective should be setting up his teammates and the offense, and tonight his minutes killed us.

Beginning of the season, it seemed like we played off Towns in the high post a ton.. now feels like we haven’t seen that in quite some time. Anyone else noticing it?

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

when is the last time we threw the ball to KAT in the elbow area in a triple threat spot. I remember Joakim Noah getting actions like that...ihart got them as well. KAT is a solid passer and I feel like we have used that at all recently.

[3toheadmelo]

Let be fair here...I'm defending his skill set. I'm not defending his play. I'm not on here saying bridges is playing up to his potential he's not. I'm saying he's being used incorrectly.

You don't give up that package...and not run plays for him. If anything I think thats going to get Thibs fired down the road. The FO clearly believes in Bridges talent and fit to this team. He is being used like Dorien Finney Smith...can we at least agree with that?

100%

We are in agreement. Hell he isn't even using kat correctly. He shouls be firing up more 3s. With all that said play better in the role you're in. He is playing passive on offense is afraid to get to the rim/ft line. He fcked up his shot.

And it's understabdle that knicks fans are frustrated with a guy we gave up 5 picks for is underwhelming. And is being passive on the offensive end. I'm sure I'd like mikal if we didnt go all in on him. But as is this is crippling. We needed another creator and he isn't it. Regardless of system if he can't go 1v1

I'm not saying you can't be frustrated...I'm frustrated. But if we keep treating Mikal like he's donte he's going to continue to struggle. The trade is done...no givesies backsies. So we are at a crossroads...keep playing him out of position...or actually use the things he does well and build off that?

And to your point...we don't use KAT well. He basically takes ATB 3's if a big sags off him...or he straight line drives.

Remember dantoni would run STAT off a pin down screen and hit him on the elbow so he could be in a triple threat spot. Either pull up for the mid range...or drive to the basket.

Just look to the last possession in overtime...Deuce was trying to force it to KAT on a 20 foot post up...which they denied...there was no player movement...no screens...just KAT run to deuce and try to get the ball.

How is that a legit play call down the stretch?

You need to watch tape on KAT the past couple of years. KAT has been taking straight line drives and spotting up 3 as his main ways to score. Thats who he is now. I’ve been pretty vocal about him going back to middies and creating jumpers off the dribble but he took that out of his game mostly. In the WCF he played exactly how he did today.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I get why we didn’t do many JB KAT pick n rolls today to avoid Brunson having LeBron switch on him, but there needed to be a double action or more post touches for KAT and more off ball movement (especially on the doubles). We’ve seen this team move with out the ball and make smart cuts. It’s easy to throw that on coaching, but when they show they can do it for multiple quarters, but get into ball stopping mode like they did in the early 4th when Jalen was resting that’s an execution issue. It’s also can issue of not having another on ball creator. Cam Payne 3s are cool when they are going in, but his main objective should be setting up his teammates and the offense, and tonight his minutes killed us.

Beginning of the season, it seemed like we played off Towns in the high post a ton.. now feels like we haven’t seen that in quite some time. Anyone else noticing it?

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

It's harder to run post ups when teams defend Hart with their center, go look at our games against the Celtics & Thunder. From the start of the game they put their center on Hart, and a wing on KAT, when teams do that it allows the center to roam and take away any drives that could come from spins out of the post. At no point in this season have we been able to deal with that when teams do it, almost all of our worst games have a center or big PF on Hart. It has replaced the zone for most effective defense against us, because the coach has no plan B.

[mpharris36]

Cam Payne takes deep above the break 3's. THe same shots that Donte would take...that is open to them. That is not a Mikal shot. If you wanted a player to take that shot he shouldn't have been acquired in the first place.

THANK YOU.

Why is it so hard for this to be comprehended.

Mikal isn’t a just throw me the ball and go to work player. People so used to watching isolation basketball they don’t realize there is nuance with playstyles. We shouldn’t have gotten Mikal if Thibs was going to be his coach.

Really makes you wonder how he has managed to average 15 attempts a game all year long in the same system but then suddenly tonight wouldn’t even look for a shot

its not just tonight thought. Our offense recently has not been good and Feb was his lowest shot attempts all season. Is that a surprise to you?


Even KAT is struggling recently.

We play better when those guys are involved early.

[WargamesX]

It's frustrating to watch. He doesn't even look at the hoop when he gets the ball he is actively trying to get rid of it. And any time he has it in the paint if it's not clear he is taking a fade.

And we are nearing the end of the season and I honestly can't speak on his handle. OG's is comical but he atleast attacks with his. We never see novatilikina show his off.

I'm disgusted we gave up 5 picks for him. I wanted us to stagger him with the bench to create but he has shown he can do that or even wants to at all this season.

OG, for as awkward and stumbling and bumbling as he can be, has had so many more self creation moments this year. Times where you are borderline shocked Anunoby pulled off XYZ. Mikal likes to shoot corner 3s and take fades. It’s a different kind of boring then RJ, but it’s the same tasteless vanilla flavor.

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

[mpharris36]

Beginning of the season, it seemed like we played off Towns in the high post a ton.. now feels like we haven’t seen that in quite some time. Anyone else noticing it?

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

It's harder to run post ups when teams defend Hart with their center, go look at our games against the Celtics & Thunder. From the start of the game they put their center on Hart, and a wing on KAT, when teams do that it allows the center to roam and take away any drives that could come from spins out of the post. At no point in this season have we been able to deal with that when teams do it, almost all of our worst games have a center or big PF on Hart. It has replaced the zone for most effective defense against us, because the coach has no plan B.

While I agree with that. And you aren't wrong. A lot of teams run functional offense with 1 non floor spacer. You don't need to have a 5 out to run a functional offense.

[Wildcat]

If he's out for an extended period of time we're cooked. The team's offense has been in freefall since the new year, we're 12th in the league offensively since then, that is with Jalen. The offense and lack of creativity without him is going to be horrific.

Heh, I feel like I'm talking to my kid. You're telling me with 20 games to go, the Knicks without JB can't win 10 of those games, which include Charlotte, Dallas, Washington, San Antonio, Philly, and Brooklyn? Your perspective is highly skewed right now.

It doesn’t matter either way. We can go to 4/5 and win and then see if Cleveland is a fugazi. We beat em 2 years ago. We know the Bucks and Celtics can win so they can have each other

This team is a 2nd round exit regardless of who they face. I rather this team play Boston sooner rather than later.

[3toheadmelo]

Mikal can you please cut with a sense of purpose, dribble, shoot, self create, play with confidence and not immediately throw it to back to Payne or Mitch in the open court

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

It's harder to run post ups when teams defend Hart with their center, go look at our games against the Celtics & Thunder. From the start of the game they put their center on Hart, and a wing on KAT, when teams do that it allows the center to roam and take away any drives that could come from spins out of the post. At no point in this season have we been able to deal with that when teams do it, almost all of our worst games have a center or big PF on Hart. It has replaced the zone for most effective defense against us, because the coach has no plan B.

While I agree with that. And you aren't wrong. A lot of teams run functional offense with 1 non floor spacer. You don't need to have a 5 out to run a functional offense.

To compete with the Celtics and Thunder I think you do, the Cavs have been benching Allen in close games lately, he's been net negative against the Celtics all season, and that's part of why they traded for Hunter since he can be the smallball 4 next to Mobley.

[Guano]

Let be fair here...I'm defending his skill set. I'm not defending his play. I'm not on here saying bridges is playing up to his potential he's not. I'm saying he's being used incorrectly.

You don't give up that package...and not run plays for him. If anything I think thats going to get Thibs fired down the road. The FO clearly believes in Bridges talent and fit to this team. He is being used like Dorien Finney Smith...can we at least agree with that?

100%

We are in agreement. Hell he isn't even using kat correctly. He shouls be firing up more 3s. With all that said play better in the role you're in. He is playing passive on offense is afraid to get to the rim/ft line. He fcked up his shot.

And it's understabdle that knicks fans are frustrated with a guy we gave up 5 picks for is underwhelming. And is being passive on the offensive end. I'm sure I'd like mikal if we didnt go all in on him. But as is this is crippling. We needed another creator and he isn't it. Regardless of system if he can't go 1v1

I'm not saying you can't be frustrated...I'm frustrated. But if we keep treating Mikal like he's donte he's going to continue to struggle. The trade is done...no givesies backsies. So we are at a crossroads...keep playing him out of position...or actually use the things he does well and build off that?

And to your point...we don't use KAT well. He basically takes ATB 3's if a big sags off him...or he straight line drives.

Remember dantoni would run STAT off a pin down screen and hit him on the elbow so he could be in a triple threat spot. Either pull up for the mid range...or drive to the basket.

Just look to the last possession in overtime...Deuce was trying to force it to KAT on a 20 foot post up...which they denied...there was no player movement...no screens...just KAT run to deuce and try to get the ball.

How is that a legit play call down the stretch?

We already agreed thibs is a problem. You're still defending mikal to death pinning it all on thibs.

We need him to be more than rip hamilton

If he can't create were kinda fcked. Idgaf about the system or not. We have no other creators on this team. And he needs to hit above the break 3s too. That's another problem with him.

What I'm hearing from you is mikal isn't enough. He is a role player that we gave up half a decade of pick control for

[Buttah304]

It's frustrating to watch. He doesn't even look at the hoop when he gets the ball he is actively trying to get rid of it. And any time he has it in the paint if it's not clear he is taking a fade.

And we are nearing the end of the season and I honestly can't speak on his handle. OG's is comical but he atleast attacks with his. We never see novatilikina show his off.

I'm disgusted we gave up 5 picks for him. I wanted us to stagger him with the bench to create but he has shown he can do that or even wants to at all this season.

OG, for as awkward and stumbling and bumbling as he can be, has had so many more self creation moments this year. Times where you are borderline shocked Anunoby pulled off XYZ. Mikal likes to shoot corner 3s and take fades. It’s a different kind of boring then RJ, but it’s the same tasteless vanilla flavor.

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

What I’m speaking to is that for 82 games a year we would watch RJ put his head down and drive to the hoop and brick layups. Then he would aim his threes and miss horribly. The lack of variety in his game became puzzling. We’re 60 games into Mikals first year and it’s either fadeaway or a corner three. He hasn’t unlocked or shown anything else. Granted it was a completely different situation but I at least remember him looking saucy at times in P&R action in BK. Even in his last year in Pheonix he was getting to the line 3x per game (before it got to 6.6 and 3.9 as a Net). This dude is taking 1.1 FTA this year.

[Guano]

OG, for as awkward and stumbling and bumbling as he can be, has had so many more self creation moments this year. Times where you are borderline shocked Anunoby pulled off XYZ. Mikal likes to shoot corner 3s and take fades. It’s a different kind of boring then RJ, but it’s the same tasteless vanilla flavor.

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

[3toheadmelo]

Beginning of the season, it seemed like we played off Towns in the high post a ton.. now feels like we haven’t seen that in quite some time. Anyone else noticing it?

Yes I’m not sure where that went, it’s a big reason why last season’s offense was a success was playing ihart in that position and why the offense looked much better letting KAT make reads out of that high post, seems like our assists have fallen in part to that.

when is the last time we threw the ball to KAT in the elbow area in a triple threat spot. I remember Joakim Noah getting actions like that...ihart got them as well. KAT is a solid passer and I feel like we have used that at all recently.

We literally did that today and he got double teamed and threw the ball away

[mpharris36]

[x][/x]

Let be fair here...I'm defending his skill set. I'm not defending his play. I'm not on here saying bridges is playing up to his potential he's not. I'm saying he's being used incorrectly.

You don't give up that package...and not run plays for him. If anything I think thats going to get Thibs fired down the road. The FO clearly believes in Bridges talent and fit to this team. He is being used like Dorien Finney Smith...can we at least agree with that?

100%

We are in agreement. Hell he isn't even using kat correctly. He shouls be firing up more 3s. With all that said play better in the role you're in. He is playing passive on offense is afraid to get to the rim/ft line. He fcked up his shot.

And it's understabdle that knicks fans are frustrated with a guy we gave up 5 picks for is underwhelming. And is being passive on the offensive end. I'm sure I'd like mikal if we didnt go all in on him. But as is this is crippling. We needed another creator and he isn't it. Regardless of system if he can't go 1v1

At this level, rhythm and confidence are the 2 most important things. Right now he has none. On 75 percent of the offensive possessions he doesn’t touch the ball. That’s on Thibs - he needs to scheme him rhythm touches so he gains confidence. And I really don’t buy the bull he can’t create his own shot. He played 110 games for the Nets as the first option and was able to put up 21.5 PPG on 45/37 shooting line, getting to the line almost 5 times a game.
It’s in there - he doesn’t know his role, has no rhythm.
It’s on the coach to maximize his players.

he also get basically zero P&R ball handler attempts...I think the metrics actually say he's pretty effective as the P&R ball handler in terms of PPP but someone can fact check me on that.

where is this guy?

Watch on YouTube

look at how many attempts he got early in the game and he got into a rhythm. He's no comfortable or confident right now and like you said that also on the coach for not getting players involved. It can't always be brunson bails out the offense all the time.


Save that for the last 4-5 minutes of the game.

Earlier in the game should be getting our other players invovled.

[3toheadmelo]

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

Too far homie