Derik Queen

scrabbarista · Post #41 » by **scrabbarista** » Wed Feb 19, 2025 7:43 am

Wow wow wow, after hearing this guy's name on a bunch of pods, finally got around to watching about fifteen minutes of highlights. Fell in love in about five seconds.

This guy better have some major major flaws, especially on defense, to be as low as a lot of people have him. He pops the same as the "top three" guys, if you ask me. (Well, Harper and Bailey, anyway.)

Anyways, I can fall out of love just as easily as in when more info presents itself, but I am excited to see more of Queen. My current favorite 2025-ee, along with Flagg.

Not saying I have him number two - I don't have any ranks - just saying I'm excited to see what he does. Like very very excited.

Hopefully he's a new Vin Baker (minus the drink) and not a new Montrezl Harrell.

EDIT: Okay, he's 20.5 as a freshman. I guess that slows my hype a bit. Still excited to watch him.

azcatz11 · Post #42 » by **azcatz11** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 4:21 am

scrabbarista wrote:Wow wow wow, after hearing this guy's name on a bunch of pods, finally got around to watching about fifteen minutes of highlights. Fell in love in about five seconds.

This guy better have some major major flaws, especially on defense, to be as low as a lot of people have him. He pops the same as the "top three" guys, if you ask me. (Well, Harper and Bailey, anyway.)

Anyways, I can fall out of love just as easily as in when more info presents itself, but I am excited to see more of Queen. My current favorite 2025-ee, along with Flagg.

Not saying I have him number two - I don't have any ranks - just saying I'm excited to see what he does. Like very very excited.

Hopefully he's a new Vin Baker (minus the drink) and not a new Montrezl Harrell.

EDIT: Okay, he's 20.5 as a freshman. I guess that slows my hype a bit. Still excited to watch him.

The problem with Queen is you have to run your offense thru him...and he's undersized. He also does have major flaws on defense. Maryland hides him on defense he's so bad.

scrabbarista · Post #43 » by **scrabbarista** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:36 am

azcatz11 wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:Wow wow wow, after hearing this guy's name on a bunch of pods, finally got around to watching about fifteen minutes of highlights. Fell in love in about five seconds.

This guy better have some major major flaws, especially on defense, to be as low as a lot of people have him. He pops the same as the "top three" guys, if you ask me. (Well, Harper and Bailey, anyway.)

Anyways, I can fall out of love just as easily as in when more info presents itself, but I am excited to see more of Queen. My current favorite 2025-ee, along with Flagg.

Not saying I have him number two - I don't have any ranks - just saying I'm excited to see what he does. Like very very excited.

Hopefully he's a new Vin Baker (minus the drink) and not a new Montrezl Harrell.

EDIT: Okay, he's 20.5 as a freshman. I guess that slows my hype a bit. Still excited to watch him.

The problem with Queen is you have to run your offense thru him...and he's undersized. He also does have major flaws on defense. Maryland hides him on defense he's so bad.

Fair enough. You definitely don't see either of those things in the highlights.

God Squad · Post #44 » by **God Squad** » Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:08 pm

I personally like Sorber more than Queen.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #45 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Feb 22, 2025 4:27 pm

How much higher would people here be on Derik Queen if he were white?

Village Idiot · Post #46 » by **Village Idiot** » Sun Feb 23, 2025 11:57 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:How much higher would people here be on Derik Queen if he were white?

perhaps lower. What makes Queen a better prospect than Wolf?

babyjax13 · Post #47 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Feb 23, 2025 7:16 pm

Village Idiot wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:How much higher would people here be on Derik Queen if he were white?
perhaps lower. What makes Queen a better prospect than Wolf?

I think this was just a joke about the post-game press conference.

I have Wolf>Queen, but I do think there is a world where as Queen loses some fat and gains some muscle he's really able to bang inside while having better lateral quickness than Wolf. I could see him being more like a Sabonis clone to Wolf as something between Kelly Olynyk and Mehmet Okur (I've started to like this comp because Memo used to throw a mean lob from the three point line to a cutting Ronnie Brewer that Wolf does a lot).

The-Power · Post #48 » by **The-Power** » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:05 pm

A big part of the intrigue for Queen is his ability to attack off the dribble and stress defenses. If you believe that it doesn't translate then I completely understand being low on him. If you do believe that it translates then you're talking about a rare archetype that provides constant rim pressure (in transition, off the dribble, from the post, out of pick-and-rolls). In this case he should probably be ranked very high, not least because he comes playmaking and rebounding chops as well as some switchability on defense as ancillary skills.

shangrila · Post #49 » by **shangrila** » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:28 pm

The-Power wrote:A big part of the intrigue for Queen is his ability to attack off the dribble and stress defenses. If you believe that it doesn't translate then I completely understand being low on him. If you do believe that it translates then you're talking about a rare archetype that provides constant rim pressure (in transition, off the dribble, from the post, out of pick-and-rolls). In this case he should probably be ranked very high, not least because he comes playmaking and rebounding chops as well as some switchability on defense as ancillary skills.

I don't see it.

Maybe you can argue he can do it from the high post, and he seems fairly good in that regard, but beyond that area his lack of a shot just means people can play off him. And anywhere closer it's not really needed. For example, any defender can go under the screen when he's the handler in a PnR situation.

I also don't see it in transition. Yes he can rebound and bring the ball up himself but he's still slow so isn't really pushing the pace. I remember several times in (from memory) the Rutgers game where he was bringing the ball up in transition and kept trying to put the guy in jail (keep them on his hip and slightly behind). That's what guys like Trae and Shai do when driving into the paint; Queen was doing it in the backcourt. It just killed any momentum he could have generated and let the defence get set.

Overall I still can't quite get there with him. I get the stylistic comps to guys like Sabonis or Sengun but that kind of archetype needs to hit big on the offensive end to compensate for the defensive issues and I haven't seen that kind of monster upside from Queen on that end.

azcatz11 · Post #50 » by **azcatz11** » Thu Mar 6, 2025 2:37 am

I’ve seen enough from queen. He’s a tweener and won’t be able to play in the league. Hes just not big enough to be a big and way too slow to be a wing. Great college player. He’s undraftable

Catchall · Post #51 » by **Catchall** » Thu Mar 6, 2025 4:56 am

I think Queen is more or less the Domantas Sabonis of this draft, but like Sabonis he needs to be used the right way. He's a high-post initiator and dribble-handoff type. Obviously, you'd like to see him get in better shape and stretch his range, and you have to project that those things will happen. But he's really skilled for his size. He's going to kill mismatches from 17 feet in.

He needs to measure out well at the Combine, and he needs to play next to another big that complements him.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #52 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Thu Mar 6, 2025 6:57 am

no need for hyperbole like "undraftable" But people are right to be concerned. He'll need a specific landing spot that will overlook his defense like is the case with Sengun and Sabonis. The thing with both is they raise floors but lower ceilings and that's why it's hard to be confident Queen will be able to find that landing spot he needs. Definitely a tweener. I think if I knew he'd find a team that will play him despite the defense he's top 5-10. But there's a chance he either doesn't initially and has to play off the bench for a couple of seasons, or he never does, in which case, we're looking at a late 1st or even 2nd rounder. He's a really good and fun college player though.

BlazersBroncos · Post #53 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Mar 6, 2025 5:51 pm

Ya I too dont see it. And I cant believe that the hype is real. I think when all is said and done he is a late FRP.

I would be floored if Sorber didnt go ahead of him in the draft - and think its over 50% chance that Wolf goes before him as well.

He is a '1st big off the bench' caliber guy - and how many teams even want their 1st big off the bench to be a high usage offensive centric guy? IDK, just not seeing it. At all.

Dat2U · Post #54 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Mar 6, 2025 11:09 pm

My issue for him is his motor. It doesn't naturally run hot. He's a total projection though. The current version is outdated for the NBA model but folks will wonder what he looks like if... he slims down & expands his range (all very doable) because he clearly has NBA quality skills, instincts and feel for the game at his size which is not easy to find. You can't teach his quick processor. The questions are how bad he wants it and it will be up to front office's to do their due diligence to determine that.

20 years ago he's clearly a top 5 pick. I think he's worth the risk late lottery-mid 1st in this draft.

TheZachAttack · Post #55 » by **TheZachAttack** » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:52 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:Ya I too dont see it. And I cant believe that the hype is real. I think when all is said and done he is a late FRP.

I would be floored if Sorber didnt go ahead of him in the draft - and think its over 50% chance that Wolf goes before him as well.

He is a '1st big off the bench' caliber guy - and how many teams even want their 1st big off the bench to be a high usage offensive centric guy? IDK, just not seeing it. At all.

Agreed. I think his best role is conceptually like a Enes Kanter or Naz Reid (Naz can shoot better but functionally in terms of body type and role on a team). Maybe he's better defensively than those players.

Sorber is the easiest player to project into a valuable archetype at the NBA level (Horford-esque). I think the issue with Wolf is on if he's a tweener. If you're a Center who can do wing/guard things, but you can't do big man things well on either end you have to be REALLY good offensively to overcome that. Even Towns, who is very talented offensively, gets these questions. I think Wolf's best role is 6th man off the bench as a quasi Joe Ingles player but from the 5.

CptCrunch · Post #56 » by **CptCrunch** » Fri Mar 7, 2025 4:14 pm

This board is too traumatized by tweener post forwards with bad defense.

EMG518 · Post #57 » by **EMG518** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:33 am

Why do people think he is a tweener, he is obviously a center.

FarBeyondDriven · Post #58 » by **FarBeyondDriven** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:28 am

EMG518 wrote:Why do people think he is a tweener, he is obviously a center.

he's maybe 6'9.5" and not a great shot-blocker. I'm confident he can defend down low adequately against most centers but he likely won't be much of a deterrent for drivers and him being overweight and slower of feet it'll be tough for him to defend the perimeter so he's not really a 4 either. A tweener is a little bit of both with pluses and minus that make it hard to start at either position defensively. His offense as a 5 plays but I don't think it does as a 4.

Negrodamus · Post #59 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:57 pm

Hot take: I think he's going to be very, very good.

Post #60 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:31 pm

CptCrunch wrote:This board is too traumatized by tweener post forwards with bad defense.

It’s historically the most dangerous thing to fall in love with. Even when the NBA embraced post scoring it was the most common prototype for college player of the year, all american, etc that went on to do squat in the league :lol: