PG Knicks/Lakers

[spree2kawhi]

I’d be happy with them bringing back Donte instead of a big trade. Growth from within goes a long way. But childish fans won’t allow things to grow.

0-8 against top 3 teams in both conferences and you’re talking about allowing things to grow. Delusional as hell

That mskes sense. Our quick change left us unready for this level.

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I don’t exactly understand what you want to say, but it sure can’t be denied that this team has tons of room to grow and it is a very real possibility that they’ll realize their two-way potential sooner than later.

[3toheadmelo]

KAT getting exposed by all the top contenders is extremely worrisome. He looks like one of the best big men in the league against bad teams and then looks very mid against contenders. Mikal does the same thing too. Very sad we went all in on fake stars.

[Chanel Bomber]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 i mentioned but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

We even had a chance to get Donovan Mitchell without giving up Randle, Mitchell Robinson and IQ. Never forget. Now Brunson has no help.

Losing out on Mitchell was blunder #1.

Trading for Mikal was blunder #2.

It baffles me how some of our friends here overthink this.

Mitchell is a borderline MVP candidate who's playing with another small guard and leading the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. Supposedly the Cavs beat our best offer yet the trade would've been destructive for us but not for them? The Grimes package with RJ and 3 firsts was more than fair - if not a bargain - for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, Mikal has never been an All-Star, the impact metrics don't particularly fancy him that much, and his defense regressed the season before the Knicks acquired him. And trading 3 unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap and a protected first to our crosstown rival for him is reasonable?

I swear it feels like I'm in the twighlight zone at times.

[spree2kawhi]

KAT getting exposed by all the top contenders is extremely worrisome. He looks like one of the best big men in the league against bad teams and then looks very mid against contenders. Mikal does the same thing too. Very sad we went all in on fake stars.

Rest assured they look better than any real option you have suggested for this team.

[spree2kawhi]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 i mentioned but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

We even had a chance to get Donovan Mitchell without giving up Randle, Mitchell Robinson and IQ. Never forget. Now Brunson has no help.

Losing out on Mitchell was blunder #1.

Trading for Mikal was blunder #2.

It baffles me how some of our friends here overthink this.

Mitchell is a borderline MVP candidate who's playing with another small guard and leading the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. Supposedly the Cavs beat our best offer yet the trade would've been destructive for us but not for them? The Grimes package with RJ and 3 firsts was more than fair - if not a bargain - for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, Mikal has never been an All-Star, the impact metrics don't particularly fancy him that much, and his defense regressed the season before the Knicks acquired him. And trading 3 unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap and a protected first to our crosstown rival for him is reasonable?

I swear it feels like I'm in the twighlight zone at times.

When we decided not to trade for Mitchell their miniature backcourt looked bad (which is why there was that discussion in the first place) and their team in general was at exactly the same stage we are now. Now look what they’ve developed in only one year by standing pat and letting their talent grow from within.

[god shammgod]

and i know it's all thibs fault as usual, not that he's without fault, but if you think that this roster with another coach can get 4 wins against the cavs, 4 wins against celtics and 4 wins against whoever comes out of the west you're kidding yourself. you'll be lucky if you can just accomplish the 1st one.

[Clyde_Style]

Waking up and seeing a loss in OT

Consumed with gratitude for the extra two hours of sleep gained by not staying up to watch the second half.

[Bob Ross]

Waking up and seeing a loss in OT

Consumed with gratitude for the extra two hours of sleep gained by not staying up to watch the second half.

Same. I f*cking hate the lakers

[spree2kawhi]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 i mentioned but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

We even had a chance to get Donovan Mitchell without giving up Randle, Mitchell Robinson and IQ. Never forget. Now Brunson has no help.

Losing out on Mitchell was blunder #1.

Trading for Mikal was blunder #2.

It baffles me how some of our friends here overthink this.

Mitchell is a borderline MVP candidate who's playing with another small guard and leading the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. Supposedly the Cavs beat our best offer yet the trade would've been destructive for us but not for them? The Grimes package with RJ and 3 firsts was more than fair - if not a bargain - for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, Mikal has never been an All-Star, the impact metrics don't particularly fancy him that much, and his defense regressed the season before the Knicks acquired him. And trading 3 unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap and a protected first to our crosstown rival for him is reasonable?

I swear it feels like I'm in the twighlight zone at times.

Bridges will be the role player we’ve been looking for soon enough. I cannot understand everybody’s impatience with this roster. Bridges has a long history of being an absolute two-way force. Her, his role and usage are diminished. Let things fall into place. He isn’t even as bad as you all claim after looking at the boxscores. There s still aren’t many players in the league I’d rather put on Steph Curry, maybe nobody.

[3toheadmelo]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 i mentioned but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

We even had a chance to get Donovan Mitchell without giving up Randle, Mitchell Robinson and IQ. Never forget. Now Brunson has no help.

Losing out on Mitchell was blunder #1.

Trading for Mikal was blunder #2.

It baffles me how some of our friends here overthink this.

Mitchell is a borderline MVP candidate who's playing with another small guard and leading the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. Supposedly the Cavs beat our best offer yet the trade would've been destructive for us but not for them? The Grimes package with RJ and 3 firsts was more than fair - if not a bargain - for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, Mikal has never been an All-Star, the impact metrics don't particularly fancy him that much, and his defense regressed the season before the Knicks acquired him. And trading 3 unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap and a protected first to our crosstown rival for him is reasonable?

I swear it feels like I'm in the twighlight zone at times.

It’s because people don’t want to admit they were wrong that’s all it is. We would be an amazing team with Donovan Mitchell. Trading 5 picks for Mikal is a top 3 worst move of all time for the Knicks.

[3toheadmelo]

KAT getting exposed by all the top contenders is extremely worrisome. He looks like one of the best big men in the league against bad teams and then looks very mid against contenders. Mikal does the same thing too. Very sad we went all in on fake stars.

Rest assured they look better than any real option you have suggested for this team.

Yeah they’re better than Giannis and Donovan Mitchell. God your takes are awful.

[3toheadmelo]

and i know it's all thibs fault as usual, not that he's without fault, but if you think that this roster with another coach can get 4 wins against the cavs, 4 wins against celtics and 4 wins against whoever comes out of the west you're kidding yourself. you'll be lucky if you can just accomplish the 1st one.

Like I said in another post, I don’t mind getting an upgrade over Thibs. But this roster ain’t it, no matter who the coach is.

[Clyde_Style]

Thibs has left our best backup PG rotting on the bench.

Now that Brunson is out does Kolek see the light of day?

Or does the Orc only rely on Cameron Payne?

[robillionaire]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 i mentioned but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

We even had a chance to get Donovan Mitchell without giving up Randle, Mitchell Robinson and IQ. Never forget. Now Brunson has no help.

Losing out on Mitchell was blunder #1.

Trading for Mikal was blunder #2.

It baffles me how some of our friends here overthink this.

Mitchell is a borderline MVP candidate who's playing with another small guard and leading the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. Supposedly the Cavs beat our best offer yet the trade would've been destructive for us but not for them? The Grimes package with RJ and 3 firsts was more than fair - if not a bargain - for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, Mikal has never been an All-Star, the impact metrics don't particularly fancy him that much, and his defense regressed the season before the Knicks acquired him. And trading 3 unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap and a protected first to our crosstown rival for him is reasonable?

I swear it feels like I'm in the twighlight zone at times.

funny thing is people were celebrating not “overpaying” with that Mitchell package because he allegedly isn’t an A list superstar and hasn’t won a championship like Giannis, therefore we are too good for him. Then we turn around and trade a superstar package for Mikal who isn’t A list or B list or really any list of star, and this is defended. I could even be fine with that hypocrisy if he was a good role player glue guy or defender that puts us over the top, like OG seems to be. But he struggles even to be that at times. Most the time he barely makes an impact. Oh and the best part is now we can’t get Giannis either

Not getting Mitchell was bad, maybe not the end all be all because at least we kept the assets and pick package and there was still a window of opportunity to use them for something else really good. But in the end, we didn’t do that. We traded it all for a 3rd rate role player with a 4th rate impact

[Clyde_Style]

Fuq Thibs and his hair dye

[HopelessKnick]

The longer it takes to get an official update on Brunson the worse the injury is probably.....if it was truly a light 1-2 weeks thing we would have heard back already. They have already examined the ankle and taken pictures....this reminds me of Randle's shoulder injury and subsequqent team silence afterwards.....

[kNicksGmen]

We even had a chance to get Donovan Mitchell without giving up Randle, Mitchell Robinson and IQ. Never forget. Now Brunson has no help.

Losing out on Mitchell was blunder #1.

Trading for Mikal was blunder #2.

It baffles me how some of our friends here overthink this.

Mitchell is a borderline MVP candidate who's playing with another small guard and leading the Cavs to the best record in the NBA. Supposedly the Cavs beat our best offer yet the trade would've been destructive for us but not for them? The Grimes package with RJ and 3 firsts was more than fair - if not a bargain - for a player of his caliber.

Meanwhile, Mikal has never been an All-Star, the impact metrics don't particularly fancy him that much, and his defense regressed the season before the Knicks acquired him. And trading 3 unprotected firsts and an unprotected pick swap and a protected first to our crosstown rival for him is reasonable?

I swear it feels like I'm in the twighlight zone at times.

funny thing is people were celebrating not “overpaying” with that Mitchell package because he allegedly isn’t an A list superstar and hasn’t won a championship like Giannis, therefore we are too good for him. Then we turn around and trade a superstar package for Mikal who isn’t A list or B list or really any list of star, and this is defended. I could even be fine with that hypocrisy if he was a good role player glue guy or defender that puts us over the top, like OG seems to be. But he struggles even to be that at times. Most the time he barely makes an impact. Oh and the best part is now we can’t get Giannis either

Not getting Mitchell was bad, maybe not the end all be all because at least we kept the assets and pick package and there was still a window of opportunity to use them for something else really good. But in the end, we didn’t do that. We traded it all for a 3rd rate role player with a 4th rate impact

i agree with your take but the difference was at the time of the mitchell trade the knicks weren't even considered anything close to contending. brunson was still an unknown and not expected to be a star. at the time of the bridges trade there was the combination of the assets losing value and knicks approaching being locked into the roster due to apron restrictions. and fans/people felt the january knicks that were dominant basically just adding bridges would be contenders. the expectation of losing i-hart also forced their hand imo

i'm not defending the trade and like i said i agree in hindsight trading for mitchell was the better move - but the context of where the team was in their timeline was different.

also i am sure if the knicks did trade for mitchell, fans would have defended it as not being an overpay. fans are largely homers at the end of the day so will defend the move the team makes or downplay the move they didn't make etc.

[Lord Commander]

I'm still mad as hell we lost to these douchebags. Anyway, its another learning situation on the way to a greatly improved team. Prayers up for JB. Believe it or not the team is still gelling; Mikal probably shouldn't be starting and Mitch is still rounding into form. I still think this team has the potential to make it to the ECF. Patience! We haven't reached our ceiling.

[JXL]

Went to sleep once Hart didn't take the shot to force OT.

Knew this loss was coming, now Brunson could miss time with that ankle sprain.

Basketball gods are punishing Thibs for not respecting the grind.

[DaGawd]

We needed a hilarious sequence of bad breaks to blow this game. Up to and including Brunson getting injured with the game tied in OT. I still feel we were the better team. Even with towns and bridges having terrible scoring games, even with McBride our only legit bench player going 0-6, we missed so many free throws late, bad bounces on rebounds, that 3 they made to end the 3rd to cut it from 11 to 8 shifted the momentum. Gabe Vincent shooting out his ass. Our defense looked really good for a change.

I would say chin up we are fine but we don’t know if Brunson’s injury is serious . Ankle injury totally derailed Randle’s season a couple years ago so let’s hope for a good prognosis. Get him some extra rest leading up to the playoffs. It’s going to be ok

that hilarious sequence seems to happen way too often for us that’s the issue