Bulls @ Magic 6pm CT Mar. 6 2025

[Rose2Boozer]

The perfect game for Coby White to go on a heater. I'm calling it. White will be traded to the Orlando Magic.

For who and what? They will be in the tax next year if they keep all players. Have all 15 guaranteed money besides below.

Have 4 TO players in
M. Wagner 11m
Harris 7.5m
Joseph 3.5m
Houstan 2.2m

With Banchero extension also Anthony end of next year.
Oh and 2 first round picks in 25. They are in a spot of bother.


What you thinking?

It would probably be something like Goga Bitadze and Nuggets 2025 pick for Coby White. The Magic needs White's scoring more than they need big man depth. They'll pick up Wagner's team option and they'll still have Isaac for further depth.

[sco]

The perfect game for Coby White to go on a heater. I'm calling it. White will be traded to the Orlando Magic.

For who and what? They will be in the tax next year if they keep all players. Have all 15 guaranteed money besides below.

Have 4 TO players in
M. Wagner 11m
Harris 7.5m
Joseph 3.5m
Houstan 2.2m

With Banchero extension also Anthony end of next year.
Oh and 2 first round picks in 25. They are in a spot of bother.


What you thinking?

It would probably be something like Goga Bitadze and Nuggets 2025 pick for Coby White. The Magic needs White's scoring more than they need big man depth. They'll pick up Wagner's team option and they'll still have Isaac for further depth.

I like Goga, but I'd want more draft compensation.

[kodo]

Giddey/Coby backcourt is starting to look really strong…

Ayo might be the odd man out.

We are loaded with good guards. White, Giddey, Ball, Jones, Ayo. Even Heuter is producing now. We need turn a couple of them into frontcourt pieces or draft picks.

I’d probably resign Jones and try to flip him later instead of letting him walk if he’d take a similar deal to what he’s on now. Not sure how feasible that would be with Giddey about to get paid though.

All that happened is what should have happened at the season start, and what almost everyone on the board wanted.
PG = Giddey (not Coby)
SG = Coby (not Ayo)

There was a stretch where Giddey had to take a breather and Coby resumed PG duties and it was ugly as always. He's not a point guard or combo guard. He's a pure SG and and shouldn't ever be dribbling around trying to figure out how to manufacture a score for teammates. Just shoot/drive or if neither are there make a safe pass.

[kodo]

I didnt watch the game ,but how the hell Collins and Smith got 6 fouls and Buz 5?? What was going on under the basket!? Like they were playing vs Shaq

Billy had Josh Giddey playing center. We won the game, but Billy tried hard to lose it.
And the Magic didn't really take advantage of Giddey at center with Wendell & Bitadze, they just went into the same old Wagner & Banchero head down drives.

[MrSparkle]

I didnt watch the game ,but how the hell Collins and Smith got 6 fouls and Buz 5?? What was going on under the basket!? Like they were playing vs Shaq

Billy had Josh Giddey playing center. We won the game, but Billy tried hard to lose it.
And the Magic didn't really take advantage of Giddey at center with Wendell & Bitadze, they just went into the same old Wagner & Banchero head down drives.

It’s fascinating. Orlando really struggled rebounding the ball. Matas’ length and Giddey’s strength, these two took over the glass. Wendell got 5, but Goga got 1 and Franz got 2, way below averages. They’re just a tall team, but Bulls looked comfortable in the paint.

I just remember Vuc getting dominated mercilessly by every last big on the Orlando bench (even microwave Mo) the last dozen meets.

They’re also clearly struggling, having lost Suggs, and chemistry looks off. After getting hosed in the trade and whipped by them for years, it is satisfying seeing them kinda crumble. I do like Franz’s game a lot. Last night, though they rarely matched up, Matas looked really similar.

[ChettheJet]

That was a bit stunning. They didn't mention why Issac didn't play but I'd bet money he would have made a 3 point difference. It was a rare sight to have the Bulls recognize that Coby was white hot and keep riding him. In the past you'd have either Zach or Demar, or even Vuc, get hot but as one of them did so Zach or Demar would get jealous and have to get his shots good or bad.

for Wes, the Bulls bigs were reaching, challenging shots near the basket without much help and not doing it very well.

This game should give the players confidence that when they focus they can compete, the Bulls with their record are locked in the lottery and play in which is proof they don't fully understand how to bring the effort every night but the guys that stay might learn.

[Chi town]

Bully Ball Coby is a fun watch

[Ice Man]

Billy had Josh Giddey playing center. We won the game, but Billy tried hard to lose it.

Hmmm, well we had lost our 3 previous games in Orlando while playing a center at center. So maybe this wasn't the worst decision after all.

[DASMACKDOWN]

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[drosestruts]

I was and am a huge skeptic of Orlando for some time now. I had them labeled as a try hard regular season team without the talent to ever actually win a first round series.

The biggest question I posed was - what does Orlando look like when they simply stop playing harder than their opponents every night.

Well, looks like we have our answer.

Banchero was anointed too quickly, he did not deserve to be an all-star last season. He did not deserve to be ROY his rookie season.

He has a 53% TS% this season. A 1.5:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Orlando will have to pay the tax to keep their current core together as soon as next season. They're quickly becoming very expensive, and not all that good.

[pipfan]

I have proposed numerous Coby-Orl deals
Coby/Terry for Anthony/Howard/Den pick
Coby/Port pick for Anthony/Orl pick (currently #11)

It makes A LOT of sense-they could use his scoring, and I'd love to see us go with
Ball/Ayo/Carter
Giddy/Huerter/Anthony
Matas/Phillips/PWill
Flagg/PWill
Collins/Smith/Nurkic

Vuc to Char for Nurkic and the #36
White to Orl for the #11 and Anthony

I might be jumping the gun a bit on Flagg at the 4, but you gotta put positive energy out to get something back

[Red8911]

I was and am a huge skeptic of Orlando for some time now. I had them labeled as a try hard regular season team without the talent to ever actually win a first round series.

The biggest question I posed was - what does Orlando look like when they simply stop playing harder than their opponents every night.

Well, looks like we have our answer.

Banchero was anointed too quickly, he did not deserve to be an all-star last season. He did not deserve to be ROY his rookie season.

He has a 53% TS% this season. A 1.5:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Orlando will have to pay the tax to keep their current core together as soon as next season. They're quickly becoming very expensive, and not all that good.

Yeah not sure why many bulls fans here acted like Orlando has anything special. Sure they’ve become a playoff team and have a couple of good young players but the way they are now they won’t go anywhere past the first round. They need to add a lot more to become something more.

[Ice Man]

Banchero was anointed too quickly, he did not deserve to be an all-star last season. He did not deserve to be ROY his rookie season.

He has a 53% TS% this season. A 1.5:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Advanced stats have Paulo as being the 50 to 100 range -- say, the 2nd best starter on an average team or the 3rd starter on a good team. That's not bad, but it's well below his reputation. But such is the case with volume scorers who are not efficient, as they tend to be well known.

[sco]

I was and am a huge skeptic of Orlando for some time now. I had them labeled as a try hard regular season team without the talent to ever actually win a first round series.

The biggest question I posed was - what does Orlando look like when they simply stop playing harder than their opponents every night.

Well, looks like we have our answer.

Banchero was anointed too quickly, he did not deserve to be an all-star last season. He did not deserve to be ROY his rookie season.

He has a 53% TS% this season. A 1.5:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Orlando will have to pay the tax to keep their current core together as soon as next season. They're quickly becoming very expensive, and not all that good.

Yeah not sure why many bulls fans here acted like Orlando has anything special. Sure they’ve become a playoff team and have a couple of good young players but the way they are now they won’t go anywhere past the first round. They need to add a lot more to become something more.

ORL is a great team with Suggs who is akin to Ball in terms of his impact on winning (and adding a 3pt shooter to a non-3pt shooting team).

[Ice Man]

ORL is a great team with Suggs who is akin to Ball in terms of his impact on winning (and adding a 3pt shooter to a non-3pt shooting team).

Great?

They have some good & useful players, but they need a Top 20 player to move up the ladder. A true 1st option. Maybe Franz will get there in a year or two ...

[Jello Biafra]

Orlando kicked our asses in that Vuc trade, but not looking like it will be parlayed into much. WCJ I hated that pick, didn't care he was traded, for the exact reason he's proving.... He's JAG. High floor low ceiling player. It was obvious even at the draft. In that draft , I felt we needed to roll the dice on MPJ. We needed to swing for the fences not lay down a bunt.

The Franz portion of that trade stings, but not Brooklyn level. I kinda feel like Orlando gonna be treadmilling it for a long time. Franz and Paulo are really nice pieces, but those 2 being your core on MAX contracts, really limits the ceiling imo. Especially with Suggs also being paid big bucks. I feel like Orlando best case is like a 2010's Jazz or Atlanta

Edit to add: I know in hindsight that MPJ wasn't the correct pick either, SGA was. But i can still guarantee you that MPJ at the 2021 trade deadline, had a HELL of alot more trade value than Wendell. Wendell was basically a throw-in. For comparison, MPJ would have gotten us Vuc without needing to include those picks, possibly even Orlando having to be the ones to add draft compensation as a sweetener.

As I said earlier, the trade was a big nothing. The Bulls have been tanking all season and Orlando's only got a handful more wins. Neither WCJ, Franz or Banchero are elite and don't appear to be stars on a championship level team. What kind of pick do you think the Magic could get for Franz in this draft?

[Dan Z]

The Bulls have 25 wins. If they were in the west they'd be the third worst team (New Orleans and Utah have worse records).

[sco]

Orlando kicked our asses in that Vuc trade, but not looking like it will be parlayed into much. WCJ I hated that pick, didn't care he was traded, for the exact reason he's proving.... He's JAG. High floor low ceiling player. It was obvious even at the draft. In that draft , I felt we needed to roll the dice on MPJ. We needed to swing for the fences not lay down a bunt.

The Franz portion of that trade stings, but not Brooklyn level. I kinda feel like Orlando gonna be treadmilling it for a long time. Franz and Paulo are really nice pieces, but those 2 being your core on MAX contracts, really limits the ceiling imo. Especially with Suggs also being paid big bucks. I feel like Orlando best case is like a 2010's Jazz or Atlanta

Edit to add: I know in hindsight that MPJ wasn't the correct pick either, SGA was. But i can still guarantee you that MPJ at the 2021 trade deadline, had a HELL of alot more trade value than Wendell. Wendell was basically a throw-in. For comparison, MPJ would have gotten us Vuc without needing to include those picks, possibly even Orlando having to be the ones to add draft compensation as a sweetener.

As I said earlier, the trade was a big nothing. The Bulls have been tanking all season and Orlando's only got a handful more wins. Neither WCJ, Franz or Banchero are elite and don't appear to be stars on a championship level team. What kind of pick do you think the Magic could get for Franz in this draft?

4th pick...I think you're underselling him.

[MrSparkle]

Franz is a 23yo 25/5/5 guy with all-defensive caliber defense and high motor/effort. How is he not elite? He was injured for a month, and their sub-500 slide began. I get the vibe he’ll be a top-15 in his prime, maybe even top-10 once the current old guard retires/declines.

If Matas pans into a Franz (I could see the potential), we’d be throwing a parade.

[Muzbar]

The Bulls have 25 wins. If they were in the west they'd be the third worst team (New Orleans and Utah have worse records).

The Bulls could very well make the play-in with less than 30 wins, that's just not right.