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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1661 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 7, 2025 6:41 pm

Dalek wrote:I may have to walk-back on my thoughts about Rasheer Fleming. He has such an NBA ready game. I originally saw him as more of a play finisher which is shooting catch and shoot and dunks, but he does show some ability to drive the ball and some post footwork to score.



Frame and motor reminds me a lot of Naz Reid which is a great outcome for any draft pick. Look at LSU Reid and they seem pretty similar. They both have a hard-nosed demeanor. Fleming might be our enforcer.


Well he's shooting 50% from downtown and 14-16 from the stripe his last 9 games so of course you will start to second guess but make no mistake his game is purely C&S 3 and off-ball activity like cutting and putbacks. Naz attempted a **** ton of non-rim 2s in college and had some self-created 3s and lower assisted rim %. He also did it against much better comp. I'm starting to agree he could return a little bit of value gambling on him as an off-ball piece but not enough to make me wanna touch him outside of 20-30 depending on who is left on board.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1662 » by billy_hoyle » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:01 pm

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https://www.nbarapm.com/player/Brandin_Podziemski

Butler ON Podz OFF (49 mins) -14.1 NET
Podz ON Butler OFF (882 mins) +1.7 NET
Podz ON Butler ON (233 mins) +19.6 NET

If anything the early data shows that Podz actually raises Jimmy's ceiling and there is ZERO argument for the opposite :lol:

Podz last year when he was on-ball 7% less (relative to position):

98th percentile rebounder
90th percentile forced turnovers
81st percentile assisted pts per game
92nd percentile net rating
(this year TOV% is in 83rd percentile)

What I can tell you is that having VJ t5 you better be sure he has the bag and that the dribble J will come otherwise he might just end up like "bum podz" being strong as a rebounder, turnover forcer, passer and ball protector with a middling TS% and relegated to a "bum" role player. As far as I'm concerned they come from the same player tree and both possess paths to improving their offensive output.


Does Podz start?
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1663 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:13 pm

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Dalek wrote:I may have to walk-back on my thoughts about Rasheer Fleming. He has such an NBA ready game. I originally saw him as more of a play finisher which is shooting catch and shoot and dunks, but he does show some ability to drive the ball and some post footwork to score.



Frame and motor reminds me a lot of Naz Reid which is a great outcome for any draft pick. Look at LSU Reid and they seem pretty similar. They both have a hard-nosed demeanor. Fleming might be our enforcer.


Well he's shooting 50% from downtown and 14-16 from the stripe his last 9 games so of course you will start to second guess but make no mistake his game is purely C&S 3 and off-ball activity like cutting and putbacks. Naz attempted a **** ton of non-rim 2s in college and had some self-created 3s and lower assisted rim %. He also did it against much better comp. I'm starting to agree he could return a little bit of value gambling on him as an off-ball piece but not enough to make me wanna touch him outside of 20-30 depending on who is left on board.


Almost every season so far he's had more turnovers than assists, so no big difference as a pro. Maybe he should stop taking the non-rim 2's because he's shot 53% from 2 the last 2 seasons.

Rasheer might be a little more mobile Naz Reid. Maybe Bam Adebayo, Naz Reid mix with more steals and blocks is his ceiling.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1664 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:23 pm

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Dalek wrote:I may have to walk-back on my thoughts about Rasheer Fleming. He has such an NBA ready game. I originally saw him as more of a play finisher which is shooting catch and shoot and dunks, but he does show some ability to drive the ball and some post footwork to score.



Frame and motor reminds me a lot of Naz Reid which is a great outcome for any draft pick. Look at LSU Reid and they seem pretty similar. They both have a hard-nosed demeanor. Fleming might be our enforcer.


Well he's shooting 50% from downtown and 14-16 from the stripe his last 9 games so of course you will start to second guess but make no mistake his game is purely C&S 3 and off-ball activity like cutting and putbacks. Naz attempted a **** ton of non-rim 2s in college and had some self-created 3s and lower assisted rim %. He also did it against much better comp. I'm starting to agree he could return a little bit of value gambling on him as an off-ball piece but not enough to make me wanna touch him outside of 20-30 depending on who is left on board.


That's I guess what I originally thought. He falls into the versatile defender who boards and finishes plays on offense. That still seems valuable to me, but I guess him ever being a point-forward/center type like Naz is out of the question.
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Post#1665 » by Psubs » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:27 pm

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Dalek wrote:I may have to walk-back on my thoughts about Rasheer Fleming. He has such an NBA ready game. I originally saw him as more of a play finisher which is shooting catch and shoot and dunks, but he does show some ability to drive the ball and some post footwork to score.



Frame and motor reminds me a lot of Naz Reid which is a great outcome for any draft pick. Look at LSU Reid and they seem pretty similar. They both have a hard-nosed demeanor. Fleming might be our enforcer.


Well he's shooting 50% from downtown and 14-16 from the stripe his last 9 games so of course you will start to second guess but make no mistake his game is purely C&S 3 and off-ball activity like cutting and putbacks. Naz attempted a **** ton of non-rim 2s in college and had some self-created 3s and lower assisted rim %. He also did it against much better comp. I'm starting to agree he could return a little bit of value gambling on him as an off-ball piece but not enough to make me wanna touch him outside of 20-30 depending on who is left on board.


That's I guess what I originally thought. He falls into the versatile defender who boards and finishes plays on offense. That still seems valuable to me, but I guess him ever being a point-forward/center type like Naz is out of the question.


How is he a point-forward averaging 2.2 assists and and A/T under 1? He also plays on a good team so it's not like they have bad players that miss assist opportunities.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1666 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 7, 2025 7:57 pm

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Well he's shooting 50% from downtown and 14-16 from the stripe his last 9 games so of course you will start to second guess but make no mistake his game is purely C&S 3 and off-ball activity like cutting and putbacks. Naz attempted a **** ton of non-rim 2s in college and had some self-created 3s and lower assisted rim %. He also did it against much better comp. I'm starting to agree he could return a little bit of value gambling on him as an off-ball piece but not enough to make me wanna touch him outside of 20-30 depending on who is left on board.


That's I guess what I originally thought. He falls into the versatile defender who boards and finishes plays on offense. That still seems valuable to me, but I guess him ever being a point-forward/center type like Naz is out of the question.


How is he a point-forward averaging 2.2 assists and and A/T under 1? He also plays on a good team so it's not like they have bad players that miss assist opportunities.


I don't think the stats show how Naz Reid plays. In watching Wolves games he plays with the ball in his hands quite a bit, and his value as a driver is important. He has some high level passing ability off the dribble. He is like a huge guard. Thinking Fleming could get to this level might not be a realistic goal.

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Post#1667 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 7, 2025 11:06 pm

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Dalek wrote:I may have to walk-back on my thoughts about Rasheer Fleming. He has such an NBA ready game. I originally saw him as more of a play finisher which is shooting catch and shoot and dunks, but he does show some ability to drive the ball and some post footwork to score.



Frame and motor reminds me a lot of Naz Reid which is a great outcome for any draft pick. Look at LSU Reid and they seem pretty similar. They both have a hard-nosed demeanor. Fleming might be our enforcer.


Well he's shooting 50% from downtown and 14-16 from the stripe his last 9 games so of course you will start to second guess but make no mistake his game is purely C&S 3 and off-ball activity like cutting and putbacks. Naz attempted a **** ton of non-rim 2s in college and had some self-created 3s and lower assisted rim %. He also did it against much better comp. I'm starting to agree he could return a little bit of value gambling on him as an off-ball piece but not enough to make me wanna touch him outside of 20-30 depending on who is left on board.


Almost every season so far he's had more turnovers than assists, so no big difference as a pro. Maybe he should stop taking the non-rim 2's because he's shot 53% from 2 the last 2 seasons.

Rasheer might be a little more mobile Naz Reid. Maybe Bam Adebayo, Naz Reid mix with more steals and blocks is his ceiling.


He's nowhere near either player. Also against the quality of competition played for a guy with his dimensions I would expect even greater stock rates if he were truly something special on the defensive end. He's just decent there.

He has great dimensions can dunk and looks to be a potentially good albeit high variance 3pt shooter (guys who shoot >40% on med volume w 60s to mid 70s FT% tend to be inconsistent and can waver a ton on shot acc from year to year).

I don't think his defense is special enough and combined with being a play finisher w/ low end playmaking ability and probably just slightly plus D the package isn't very attractive.

Yaxel is the more attractive small school 6'9 7'3-7'4 WS guy but what Rasheer has in athleticism and lacks in skill Yaxel might lack in athleticism despite being more skilled so they might both be flawed. Need to see athletic testing. At face value Yaxel's production is very intriguing.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3 

Post#1668 » by RoteSchroder » Sat Mar 8, 2025 12:15 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:
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You know last year I thought you made a number of intelligent comments and posts but it's as if someone hacked your account recently and you're an entirely different poster. You're going off on a rant about him not being an all-star right now as if many 2nd year players accomplish that and ignoring entirely the fact I said he's on a trajectory to becoming a borderline all-star. Very irresponsible reply by you.


Have u looked in the mirror. You’ve got to be trolling. Look at the numbers you posted for Podz, what a joke. Cherry picking incremental improvements that is probably just variation, and half of them are for things that don’t matter.

He takes 1.1 more threes, good for him, but drops from 38.5% to 31.9%. I guess that’s improvement somehow? He has no where near a high level impact and he only plays 25 MPG. What’s his competition for minutes? Moses Moody? Buddy Hield?

An “extremely high impact” is a star. Why was GSW so bad if Podz had such a great impact? Jimmy Butler is what I’d call extremely high impact

How exactly is he on his way to borderline stardom, his efficiency is horrible and he doesn’t even score that much. Gradey, Scottie and RJ are bashed for much less.


3PT% is less predictive of shooting success than FT% and 3PAr and given his samples he is on the low end which will revert upwards. I stopped reading after that. Keep hating.


Nearly every player in the league who shoots 3's has increased 3PAr from their rookie season. What are you on about. How's the three point shooting outlook looking for Scottie, RJ, Derozan, Draymond Green?

The dude took 1.1 to 1.5 FT's per game, at that volume, the variability is fairly high. Even at higher volumes, variability can sometimes be high, like with RJ (low 60's to low 80's). Ochai's FT% also varies within that range. Lack of FT's is probably more concerning in itself. Not to mention, many role players are also able to improve their FT% and hit over 75%.

You're grasping at straws.
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Post#1669 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:07 am

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Have u looked in the mirror. You’ve got to be trolling. Look at the numbers you posted for Podz, what a joke. Cherry picking incremental improvements that is probably just variation, and half of them are for things that don’t matter.

He takes 1.1 more threes, good for him, but drops from 38.5% to 31.9%. I guess that’s improvement somehow? He has no where near a high level impact and he only plays 25 MPG. What’s his competition for minutes? Moses Moody? Buddy Hield?

An “extremely high impact” is a star. Why was GSW so bad if Podz had such a great impact? Jimmy Butler is what I’d call extremely high impact

How exactly is he on his way to borderline stardom, his efficiency is horrible and he doesn’t even score that much. Gradey, Scottie and RJ are bashed for much less.


3PT% is less predictive of shooting success than FT% and 3PAr and given his samples he is on the low end which will revert upwards. I stopped reading after that. Keep hating.


Nearly every player in the league who shoots 3's has increased 3PAr from their rookie season. What are you on about. How's the three point shooting outlook looking for Scottie, RJ, Derozan, Draymond Green?

The dude took 1.1 to 1.5 FT's per game, at that volume, the variability is fairly high. Even at higher volumes, variability can sometimes be high, like with RJ (low 60's to low 80's). Ochai's FT% also varies within that range. Lack of FT's is probably more concerning in itself. Not to mention, many role players are also able to improve their FT% and hit over 75%.

You're grasping at straws.


This is a useless statement, has nothing to do with Podz's .085 jump and is actually flat out not true in the way you think it is. Your argument seems to be that Podz's offense sucks and I'm posting concrete evidence it is trending upwards with stats other than his 3PT% which you criticized, as if that's an indicator of where he's trending as a player. The first two players I looked up that came to mind had lower 3PAr their second year and those that do usually don't take that much of a jump. I'm not gonna argue with you bc I have nothing to gain or learn. You're just nitpicking things to try to win an argument so good for you - you win!
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Post#1670 » by dballislife » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:58 am

im watching our big man depth after poeltl and i literally cant stand it...im 99% sure we look center with out 2nd pick we have to...we should went c with our 2nd last year seeing post playing well for the warriors
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Post#1671 » by Psubs » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:15 am

dballislife wrote:im watching our big man depth after poeltl and i literally cant stand it...im 99% sure we look center with out 2nd pick we have to...we should went c with our 2nd last year seeing post playing well for the warriors


We had Olynyk. Then went to tank.

If you want a depth big, just steal Luke Kornet from Boston.
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Post#1672 » by RoteSchroder » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:47 am

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3PT% is less predictive of shooting success than FT% and 3PAr and given his samples he is on the low end which will revert upwards. I stopped reading after that. Keep hating.


Nearly every player in the league who shoots 3's has increased 3PAr from their rookie season. What are you on about. How's the three point shooting outlook looking for Scottie, RJ, Derozan, Draymond Green?

The dude took 1.1 to 1.5 FT's per game, at that volume, the variability is fairly high. Even at higher volumes, variability can sometimes be high, like with RJ (low 60's to low 80's). Ochai's FT% also varies within that range. Lack of FT's is probably more concerning in itself. Not to mention, many role players are also able to improve their FT% and hit over 75%.

You're grasping at straws.


This is a useless statement, has nothing to do with Podz's .085 jump and is actually flat out not true in the way you think it is. Your argument seems to be that Podz's offense sucks and I'm posting concrete evidence it is trending upwards with stats other than his 3PT% which you criticized, as if that's an indicator of where he's trending as a player. The first two players I looked up that came to mind had lower 3PAr their second year and those that do usually don't take that much of a jump. I'm not gonna argue with you bc I have nothing to gain or learn. You're just nitpicking things to try to win an argument so good for you - you win!


oooohhhhh, so now improving 3PAr only counts as an indicator if it's your 2nd year now. Yet, you can find plenty of examples where a higher 3PAr in their 2nd year didn't lead to great shooting: Stanley Johnson, Adam Morrison, Markell Fultz, Draymond Green, Scottie, RJ, Derozan. Where's the relationship?

you seem to be nitpicking arbritary stats that show incremental improvements, especially for a 2nd year player where many experience large improvements, yet you mention none of the stats he dropped in (rebounds, 3p%, efficiency, minutes). I mean..if 3PAr is his biggest statistical jump and the best indicator you got...that's just really sad. His 1 PPG increase looks more promising, although that's accompanied by a plummet in efficiency.

If a player needs this many conditional situations to look good (e.g. showing Butler's 49 min of play without Podz, which is the total sample size of one game and adds zero context to Butlers teammates/opponents), then maybe he's just not an "extremely high impact" player and future borderline star. Many role players play well.

He'd be hardpressed to surpass the impact of players like Poeltl, OG, iHart..and I don't consider any of those guys stars. The priority in this draft should be to identify players with actual upside over role players.
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Post#1673 » by Psubs » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:22 am

Oh, I thought up a Fears comp..... Keyonte George.
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Post#1674 » by LoveMyRaps » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:24 am

Will Riley really turned his season around big time.

Dude was projected to be a late lotto pick before the season, then had a horrendous first half and almost no mock had him as a first round pick, and now he's back hooping like a lotto pick.

Still don't think anyone takes him in the lottery but he looks like a guy that could go in the 20s.

I've watched a lot of him and I definitely see the upside, but I'm not so high on him right now.
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Post#1675 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Mar 8, 2025 8:14 am

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Nearly every player in the league who shoots 3's has increased 3PAr from their rookie season. What are you on about. How's the three point shooting outlook looking for Scottie, RJ, Derozan, Draymond Green?

The dude took 1.1 to 1.5 FT's per game, at that volume, the variability is fairly high. Even at higher volumes, variability can sometimes be high, like with RJ (low 60's to low 80's). Ochai's FT% also varies within that range. Lack of FT's is probably more concerning in itself. Not to mention, many role players are also able to improve their FT% and hit over 75%.

You're grasping at straws.


This is a useless statement, has nothing to do with Podz's .085 jump and is actually flat out not true in the way you think it is. Your argument seems to be that Podz's offense sucks and I'm posting concrete evidence it is trending upwards with stats other than his 3PT% which you criticized, as if that's an indicator of where he's trending as a player. The first two players I looked up that came to mind had lower 3PAr their second year and those that do usually don't take that much of a jump. I'm not gonna argue with you bc I have nothing to gain or learn. You're just nitpicking things to try to win an argument so good for you - you win!


oooohhhhh, so now improving 3PAr only counts as an indicator if it's your 2nd year now. Yet, you can find plenty of examples where a higher 3PAr in their 2nd year didn't lead to great shooting: Stanley Johnson, Adam Morrison, Markell Fultz, Draymond Green, Scottie, RJ, Derozan. Where's the relationship?

you seem to be nitpicking arbritary stats that show incremental improvements, especially for a 2nd year player where many experience large improvements, yet you mention none of the stats he dropped in (rebounds, 3p%, efficiency, minutes). I mean..if 3PAr is his biggest statistical jump and the best indicator you got...that's just really sad. His 1 PPG increase looks more promising, although that's accompanied by a plummet in efficiency.

If a player needs this many conditional situations to look good (e.g. showing Butler's 49 min of play without Podz, which is the total sample size of one game and adds zero context to Butlers teammates/opponents), then maybe he's just not an "extremely high impact" player and future borderline star. Many role players play well.

He'd be hardpressed to surpass the impact of players like Poeltl, OG, iHart..and I don't consider any of those guys stars. The priority in this draft should be to identify players with actual upside over role players.


i tried to end this discussion but you keep yapping. of course i'm showing incremental improvements, incremental improvements given the baseline we have with podz at 21/22 yrs leads to elite role player outcome in many cases and my goal was to show he's not a "bum", he's not stagnating or falling off in production and there is a serious path to him being a +2 or +3 player some seasons while raising a team ceiling. your interpretation of what a "borderline all-star" is clearly isn't the same as mine because mine isn't based on factors like PPG and fan favoritism.

Podz grades higher than Poeltl in every advanced impact metric except for DARKO and he just turned 22 years old. you literally do not understand what you are saying and continuing to write big paragraphs with false claims won't change that, sorry man. all podz needs to do is get his TS% beyond .560 and AST to 25 and you are complete toast but you'll still be in denial :lol:

the fact you have vj in your t5 yet are flaming podz is genuinely mind boggling
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Post#1676 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:19 pm

Psubs wrote:Oh, I thought up a Fears comp..... Keyonte George.


Nope, Fears can actually get to the rim. He's gonna have like 3X the close 2 attempts as George. He tracks as a guy that can be a primary ballhandler. But, if he can't extend his range then he will bust, so George at least has proven he's not a bust.
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Post#1677 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:32 pm

Once you go outside of the top 6-7 prospects of this draft is just becomes insanely mediocre.
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Post#1678 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:19 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:Once you go outside of the top 6-7 prospects of this draft is just becomes insanely mediocre.

I can pick 5 guys who I’d really like for us, then I can muster another 5 who I’d be fairly happy with, and then after that it’s a crapshoot for me. There are players I can get behind but wouldn’t be impressed until they prove me wrong. To be honest, I didn’t like JaKobe when we picked him, but now I really like him so the magic of Masai may have to carry us through again.
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Post#1679 » by Flush » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:57 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:Once you go outside of the top 6-7 prospects of this draft is just becomes insanely mediocre.


I don't know if I'd go that far to call the rest of the prospects mediocre, if anything I think it'll be a test to all the FO's to draft and develop the right prospects to succeed and that's typically the case for all drafts outside of the top 10 or even the lottery
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Post#1680 » by Psubs » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:07 pm

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TorontoBarneys wrote:Once you go outside of the top 6-7 prospects of this draft is just becomes insanely mediocre.

I can pick 5 guys who I’d really like for us, then I can muster another 5 who I’d be fairly happy with, and then after that it’s a crapshoot for me. There are players I can get behind but wouldn’t be impressed until they prove me wrong. To be honest, I didn’t like JaKobe when we picked him, but now I really like him so the magic of Masai may have to carry us through again.


Jakobe Walter was a top 5 recruit and pre-season top 5 pick but had a disappointing year at Baylor. I remember Jakobe a mock and was like who's this guy.

He just needs to get stronger but all of the tools are there. :nod:
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