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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#401 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:24 am

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76ciology wrote:I don’t watch any other sports, but I’d like to ask—do players in other sports miss as many games or do load management as much as they do in the NBA?


I never heard the term outside of the NBA. Guys will get an occasional day off in baseball, it's such a long season, but there's nothing in any other sport that compares to the NBA.


In my country, they say rich people have “rich people sickness.” Maybe NBA athletes have reached a point where a minor migraine or slight constipation—something an ordinary person would just push through for a full day of work—feels unbearable to them.

I also think the society has took health conscious to another level, for instance the term “gluten-free” didn’t seem as common before, and to this day, I’m still not sure what the actual benefits are. I also came across a grocery store called Erewhon on social media—they sell premium items at ridiculously high prices.
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Post#402 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:45 am

Speaking of Jokic. 30-20-20 game. Lol
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Post#403 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:48 am

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76ciology wrote:Get out before anyone finds out:
Ja Morant
Paolo Banchero


I have/had some hidden hot takes about Paolo in the chamber but he kinda shut me up last playoffs as a guy who was a riser.


He’s a modern-day DeMar DeRozan—capable of big moments but ultimately a liability more often than not. Building an elite offense around him is difficult, and his playstyle and inefficiency can be a burden over the long run.
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Post#404 » by mjkvol » Sat Mar 8, 2025 1:55 pm

76ciology wrote:
Mik317 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Get out before anyone finds out:
Ja Morant
Paolo Banchero


I have/had some hidden hot takes about Paolo in the chamber but he kinda shut me up last playoffs as a guy who was a riser.


He’s a modern-day DeMar DeRozan—capable of big moments but ultimately a liability more often than not. Building an elite offense around him is difficult, and his playstyle and inefficiency can be a burden over the long run.


Yeah, DeRozan, and Carmelo Anthony is another possible comp - really good players who just aren't difference makers at the highest level. Building a serious contender around guys like this will always be difficult.
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Post#405 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:16 pm

Why is Franz Wagner escaping blame?

The biggest issue with Orlando right now is that both Banchero and Wagner are way too similar in that they stuff the statsheet but shoot like garbage.
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Post#406 » by Arsenal » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:17 pm

Yeah early signs on Paolo aren't good. Appears to be an empty calories type of player. Still has time to turn it around though.
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Post#407 » by 76ciology » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:42 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why is Franz Wagner escaping blame?

The biggest issue with Orlando right now is that both Banchero and Wagner are way too similar in that they stuff the statsheet but shoot like garbage.


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Post#408 » by the_process » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:32 pm

Arsenal wrote:Yeah early signs on Paolo aren't good. Appears to be an empty calories type of player. Still has time to turn it around though.


The Magic would be smart to cash out on Paolo and go get themselves a real lead guard.
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Post#409 » by Arsenal » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:31 pm

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Arsenal wrote:Yeah early signs on Paolo aren't good. Appears to be an empty calories type of player. Still has time to turn it around though.


The Magic would be smart to cash out on Paolo and go get themselves a real lead guard.


Would you trade Maxey for Banchero? I'd do it even though Paolo has been disappointing thus far.
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Post#410 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:52 pm

Can't bail on these young guys. Look at Cade Cunningham. These same criticisms were levied at him last year and he switched that around. Paolo will do the same.
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Post#411 » by Arsenal » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:54 pm

76ciology wrote:Speaking of Jokic. 30-20-20 game. Lol


Jokic is the king of fake assists.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#412 » by Iverson Armband » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:20 pm

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Arsenal wrote:Yeah early signs on Paolo aren't good. Appears to be an empty calories type of player. Still has time to turn it around though.


The Magic would be smart to cash out on Paolo and go get themselves a real lead guard.


Would you trade Maxey for Banchero? I'd do it even though Paolo has been disappointing thus far.

With McCain in the fold, I’d strongly consider that.
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Post#413 » by GoSixersBro » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:04 pm

Maybe a hot take, but I'd say tonight's Lakers vs Celtics is the biggest NBA regular season match-up worth watching within the last 5-10 years.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#414 » by mjkvol » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:59 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Why is Franz Wagner escaping blame?

The biggest issue with Orlando right now is that both Banchero and Wagner are way too similar in that they stuff the statsheet but shoot like garbage.


76ciology spelled it out statistically, but just the eye test watching them is like night and day.
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Re: NBA General Discussion: 24-25 

Post#415 » by Kobblehead » Sat Mar 8, 2025 8:10 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:Why is Franz Wagner escaping blame?

The biggest issue with Orlando right now is that both Banchero and Wagner are way too similar in that they stuff the statsheet but shoot like garbage.


76ciology spelled it out statistically, but just the eye test watching them is like night and day.

Most of the plus minus stuff is circumstantial based on the ancillary lineups Wagner is apart of.

Ultimately, both Banchero and Wagner have been bad #1s and unsupportive #2s (because they can't shoot).

I think Franz unfairly escapes a lot of the blame here. He has not developed to where he needs to be.

Why is Franz Wagner shooting 30% from three in year four? That's just unacceptable. He's dropping the ball.
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Post#416 » by mjkvol » Sat Mar 8, 2025 10:50 pm

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mjkvol wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Why is Franz Wagner escaping blame?

The biggest issue with Orlando right now is that both Banchero and Wagner are way too similar in that they stuff the statsheet but shoot like garbage.


76ciology spelled it out statistically, but just the eye test watching them is like night and day.

Most of the plus minus stuff is circumstantial based on the ancillary lineups Wagner is apart of.

Ultimately, both Banchero and Wagner have been bad #1s and unsupportive #2s (because they can't shoot).

I think Franz unfairly escapes a lot of the blame here. He has not developed to where he needs to be.

Why is Franz Wagner shooting 30% from three in year four? That's just unacceptable. He's dropping the ball.


I won't argue on Wagner's shooting, but he just seems to be a more impactful players anytime I watch Orlando, while Banchero just gives me the Melo vibe, kind of an empty calories scorer. I don't study all the advanced stats the way you guys do, so they might tell a different story.
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Post#417 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 9, 2025 3:13 am

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mjkvol wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Why is Franz Wagner escaping blame?

The biggest issue with Orlando right now is that both Banchero and Wagner are way too similar in that they stuff the statsheet but shoot like garbage.


76ciology spelled it out statistically, but just the eye test watching them is like night and day.

Most of the plus minus stuff is circumstantial based on the ancillary lineups Wagner is apart of.

Ultimately, both Banchero and Wagner have been bad #1s and unsupportive #2s (because they can't shoot).

I think Franz unfairly escapes a lot of the blame here. He has not developed to where he needs to be.

Why is Franz Wagner shooting 30% from three in year four? That's just unacceptable. He's dropping the ball.


I think the plus-minus issue goes beyond just lineup combinations. There were stretches where the Magic played without Paolo and others where they played without Franz.

Most teams have a player who runs the offense when the defense is relaxed—Franz Wagner fills that role for Orlando. Then there’s the guy the team leans on when the defense tightens up—that’s Banchero. Most time its a lengthy guy who can shoot over his defender.

You might ask why Banchero doesn’t take on more of Wagner’s role, but the reality is he can’t. Wagner is simply way better playmaker, on top of being an elite finisher (which calls for the defense to send help more often). Defenses also don’t feel the need to send as much help against Banchero because of his 53 TS%.

Like Carmelo, DeRozan, and LaMarcus Aldridge, Banchero thrives in the midrange. That has value, especially in crunch time, but if it becomes a major part of a team’s offense, it’s not an efficient shot diet.

Now, bringing Embiid into the conversation—he falls into the same category as these guys, but with one key difference: his efficiency is much higher. His ability to get to the line has often made his scoring even more effective than the high-volume perimeter scorers we’ve seen over the past two seasons.

But here’s the problem—his bad knee is limiting his trips to the free-throw line. Without that, he’s starting to trend to becoming an inefficient scorer. And looking ahead, if he can’t return to the level he was at in the past two seasons (he’s still averaging 8 FTAs per game), the concerns get even bigger. We’d be looking at a player who’s not efficient enough to be a #1 option in today’s NBA and POSSIBLY defensive liability with a compromised knee.
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Post#418 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 9, 2025 3:24 am

I’d also like to add—that’s what makes Jokic truly special. I saw someone say that next time, we need to draft a center who’s a “point center,” but I think it goes beyond that.

I haven’t checked the numbers, but by the eye test, Jokic is an elite perimeter shooter—at least on par with a wing. Then there’s his deadly floater, which hovers around 60%. He is a 30ppg scorer without needing to be a foul merchant (4-6 FTAs per game). And when defenses send help, he’s a generational passer who can find teammates at the rim anytime he wants—a high-percentage shot every trip down the floor.

Jokic also plays a ton of games. He suited up for 79 last season, delivered GOAT-level performances, and still played for his national team in the offseason. His understanding of the game is next level—he’s a genius at reading both offense and defense, to the point where he can be a plus defender despite his physical limitations. He even figured out how a player like Westbrook—who has a terrible fit reputation league-wide—would work next to him. Not Andre Drummond.

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Post#419 » by 76ciology » Sun Mar 9, 2025 4:09 am

Yeah, Al Horford is still very good at age 38.
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Post#420 » by Mik317 » Sun Mar 9, 2025 5:03 am

Paolo seems like he'd be a sneaky good small ball five surrounded by shooters and athletes.

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