2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[EmpireFalls]

Sunday/Monday back-to-back will be fun, and also telling.

Appointment viewing for me.

[Jaqua92]

Stop it! Stop!!! This isn’t Jokic/Embiid. This is like if ‘91 Jordan and ‘09 LeBron played in the same season. It’s unprecedented awesomeness all around! We don’t need to put either player down. Let’s lift them both up!!!

Outside of MJ which guard seasons would you take over this one by SGA?

He said this is 09 lebron and 91 MJ in the same season.

As far as how many guard seasons? I'll let you know if he gets to the finals.

[Black star]

Man Jokic is like the modern day Wilt where the numbers don't even feel real anymore

[iggymcfrack]

The Thunder are going to win so many games it'll be hard to not give it to SGA. It's not a Joel Embiid situation, but it would still be the wrong decision. Jokic is having perhaps the best offensive season of all time. Jokic, a center, is averaging almost twice as many assists as SGA, a point guard. But those 50 point games sure do look pretty on the resume, and the casual media has always been obsessed with points as a barometer.

This guy is going to average a triple double, finish in the top five of pretty much everything. This injured team full of role players is still going to win over 50 games, and he's not going to win MVP. It's gonna look really silly a decade from now. But whatever. 50 point games!

Let’s just wait and see what happens the rest of the season. There’s still 19 games left. Either guy could earn the MVP at this point.

[BigGargamel]

Outside of MJ which guard seasons would you take over this one by SGA?

He said this is 09 lebron and 91 MJ in the same season.

As far as how many guard seasons? I'll let you know if he gets to the finals.

Meh. I'm obviously team Jokic but this is the MVP thread. Theoretical post-season shouldn't matter in this particular conversation.

[BigGargamel]

Sunday/Monday back-to-back will be fun, and also telling.

Appointment viewing for me.

Thunder will win one, probably both. They are the superior team, better coached and get both games at home. If Denver splits I'll be happy.

[HotRocks34]

Sunday/Monday back-to-back will be fun, and also telling.

Appointment viewing for me.

Thunder will win one, probably both. They are the superior team, better coached and get both games at home. If Denver splits I'll be happy.

Until Denver can solve the OKC double teams, I'm taking 2-0 OKC.

Hopefully Holmes will be ok next year because they need a backup 4 who can shoot threes that they can put in for Gordon when they need to be able to stretch the floor and take the double teams off Jokic.

[Infinite Llamas]

Would have been close to 25 assists too if Westbrook didn’t blow a layup and Gordon fumbled a pass.

Guy had soooooo many assists in the paint and some people still believe majority of his assists are dho and kickouts…

[iggymcfrack]

Outside of MJ which guard seasons would you take over this one by SGA?

He said this is 09 lebron and 91 MJ in the same season.

As far as how many guard seasons? I'll let you know if he gets to the finals.

You know what ‘91 Jordan had in common with this year’s SGA? Neither had made the Finals before! Regardless, I think your attempt to turn this thread toxic tonight is very poor form. The offensive GOAT just put up 30/20/20!!! Let’s have a cele-bear-tion!!!

[CodeBreaker]

30-20-20 vs Free throw merchant

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Castle Black]

Joker is insane. Never seen anything like him and not sure we ever will again.

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[Mrakar]

OKC won game easily without not only most "valuable" player but without top 6 rotation players(resting for Denver on back2back)...

Nuggets couldnt win against G-League team without top 3 players, let alone top 6 agains NBA team....

EDIT:
Btw, OKC will win both Denver games, one in blowout probably if not both which will prove they are better team, and that will cement SGAs MVP case, even though it shouldnt.

[RB34]

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For reference, SGA is 66th in rebounds 405 behind Joker. 12th in assists 201 behind joker. 2nd in steals 12 in front of joker.

Completely irrelevant. I posted it to show how crazy of a scoring season he’s having, not compare his counting stats with Jokic. If you just add Points, Rebounds, Assists only Wilt is competitive. You may as well proclaim Jokic as better than LeBron, Jordan, Shaq, Bird, Kareem too.

The point of the post itself was more that he’s doing the bulk of his scoring in just 3 quarters.

It’s very odd that this thread is filled with people who literally cannot just say SGA is a worthy competitor. Yet the people like myself praising or picking SGA as MVP have no problem praising Jokic. The Jokic supporters are hands down the most insecure posters on this website, and that means something coming from me of all people. I give more props to other teams/players than that.

You posted in the general board MVP thread. This thread is basically a comparison thread of the top candidates each year.

If you wanted to strictly discuss SGA you could have posted this in the SGA thread on the player comparison board.

Calling people insecure is probably a bit rich considering your response to stats.

[Lakers In 5]

28.8 points per game (3rd in the league)
12.8 rebounds per game (3rd in the league)
10.4 assists per game (2nd in the league)

I think I know who the MVP is.

[RB34]

I remember when Embiid won, Joker rested a few games towards the end of the year. In the media’s eyes it took the wind out of his sails.

Given OKC has a sizeable lead on the rest of the West, SGA could take a few more games off. I don’t expect him to but if he does, it could have the same affect.

[OkcSinceSGA]

For reference, SGA is 66th in rebounds 405 behind Joker. 12th in assists 201 behind joker. 2nd in steals 12 in front of joker.

Completely irrelevant. I posted it to show how crazy of a scoring season he’s having, not compare his counting stats with Jokic. If you just add Points, Rebounds, Assists only Wilt is competitive. You may as well proclaim Jokic as better than LeBron, Jordan, Shaq, Bird, Kareem too.

The point of the post itself was more that he’s doing the bulk of his scoring in just 3 quarters.

It’s very odd that this thread is filled with people who literally cannot just say SGA is a worthy competitor. Yet the people like myself praising or picking SGA as MVP have no problem praising Jokic. The Jokic supporters are hands down the most insecure posters on this website, and that means something coming from me of all people. I give more props to other teams/players than that.

You posted in the general board MVP thread. This thread is basically a comparison thread of the top candidates each year.

If you wanted to strictly discuss SGA you could have posted this in the SGA thread on the player comparison board.

Calling people insecure is probably a bit rich considering your response to stats.

I don’t know man, your response sounded insecure and passive aggressive to someone casually sharing a stat of one of the candidates. Sounds like you have a real hard on for Jokic. You took a post that was comparing to the top scorers in the league and directly replied with comparing Jokic’s assists and rebounding edge. It just seemed a bit random.

I don’t think that particular post makes SGA the MVP for example. I just thought it was crazy that just in 3 quarters he would still lead the league in points.

[Doctor MJ]

The Thunder are going to win so many games it'll be hard to not give it to SGA. It's not a Joel Embiid situation, but it would still be the wrong decision. Jokic is having perhaps the best offensive season of all time. Jokic, a center, is averaging almost twice as many assists as SGA, a point guard. But those 50 point games sure do look pretty on the resume, and the casual media has always been obsessed with points as a barometer.

This guy is going to average a triple double, finish in the top five of pretty much everything. This injured team full of role players is still going to win over 50 games, and he's not going to win MVP. It's gonna look really silly a decade from now. But whatever. 50 point games!

So, reasonable perspective, but it also offers an entry point into the essence of the dilemma:

Jokic is having the best offensive season of all time.
Shai is also having an all-time great level offensive season, and doing so while also being a significant part of the best defense in the league.

The latter isn't necessarily more valuable than the former, but might it be? Yes, it's clearly possible.

Is it actually? Well, that's the question without consensus.

[OkcSinceSGA]

It’s just one stat, but it’s a stat that LOVES Jokic.

WS/48. Right now this season SGA is having the 7th best all time season, Jokic the 9th best (close enough where they have swapped multiple times this season).

This isn’t to say one is better or degrade one. But more in response to the people that will say Jokic is having a GOAT or all time season and pretend that SGA isn’t also. Even if Jokic is better, BOTH are top 10 all time seasons.

Here is how that stat is ranking all time seasons.

1. Kareem 72
2. Kareem 71
3. Wilt 64
4. Kareem 73
5. LeBron 13
6. Jordan 91
7. SGA 25
8. LeBron 09
9. Jokic 25
10. Curry 16
11. Jordan 96
12. Jokic 23

I think I could see the top 12 for sure. I’m surprised Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Hakeem or Bird didn’t make it once but these seasons are tough to top no doubt. Plus the gap between say 10 and 20th isn’t massive at this very top tier.

PS.. as a whole Jokic dominates the list outside of Kareem at the top with 5 of the top 20 all time seasons in WS/48.

[Johnny Firpo]

Shai's MVP will be deserved, but he will need to go on a finals run at least, to really silent those negative voices that are kind of already there, and would obviously get louder if he were not make at least the finals. Which is okay, I mean Joker went through the same thing, Giannis also (and LeBron too, even Dirk when he won his MVP, everyone goes through it).