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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#61 » by RHODEY » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:05 pm

TKKnicks1 wrote:The funny thing is that Thibs lack of imagination leads people to believe our bench sucks.....

Both can be true.
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Post#62 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:19 pm

Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#63 » by Red Vines » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:20 pm

We need Kolek to create some order out of this chaos. The only thing that will save Thibs these next few weeks is playing someone who can run an offense and that's Kolek. He should've been playing all year really. Guarantee he'd be out there lobbing to Mitch, running clean P&Rs with KAT, finding shooters with crisp passes...and the team would rally around him similar to Lin. It's time.
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#64 » by DaGawd » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:20 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

i’m not gonna lie… i might even take rj over mikal right now..
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#65 » by louisorr » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:22 pm

not only is Thibs an outdated dinosaur, and a maniac. at this point he's just an @$$hole.
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Post#66 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:24 pm

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Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

i’m not gonna lie… i might even take rj over mikal right now..

He’s better than mikal, but he’s way too ball dominant to justify his usage as a starter. They’re both better as the 6th man
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#67 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:27 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

Randle has a lot of gravity just like a black hole
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Post#68 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:33 pm

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Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

Randle has a lot of gravity just like a black hole

That black hole is 9-0 in his last 9 games. You must be thrilled that we traded him so we can be extra mid this year.
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Post#69 » by Wildcat » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:39 pm

Just watched the game. How much rope are we giving KAT here, because he looked absolutely lost. I saw a play where OG was pushing KAT to his man because KAT looked lost.
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Post#70 » by TKKnicks1 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:42 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

Randle has a lot of gravity just like a black hole


Thibs is not using KAT at all how he used Randle. Randle was used ISO heavy at the block and post and there were multiple plays designed just for him. Thibs got our 7 footer at the top of the key setting lame screens with JB where 99% of the time he's not the beneficiary. There are zero plays set up for KAT in this offense. They only find him during mismatches in the post. Let's not kid ourselves that KAT doesn't garner the same gravitational pull that Randle does. If we actually had a coach that knew how to use him, you would see his true impact.
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#71 » by Gravy » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:42 pm

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Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

this is true. even if we had kept randle, my biggest need going into the offseason (without considering we're going to lose i-hart) was another ball handler. we needed secondary creation. a legit vet playmaking PG to run the 2nd unit and/or a combo guard type that can get their own shot and dish.

and that was again even if we kept Randle - who is an offensive hub himself.

instead we lost him, ihart, and divo - and added Kat, bridges and payne. none of them are playmakers or guys that can really get their own shot.

we added talent but somehow got even more reliant on brunson. and with thibs as coach that is a recipe for disaster. we all love JB but he is not a playmaking guard regardless of his assist numbers.

i think a better - more creative coach could get more out of the roster, but it is still very flawed and limited. if we had a vet PG that either started but only played 20-25 mins or came off the bench and occasionally closed, it would help a lot.

We did but IQ wanted to start and cost too much.
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Post#72 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:43 pm

Wildcat wrote:Just watched the game. How much rope are we giving KAT here, because he looked absolutely lost. I saw a play where OG was pushing KAT to his man because KAT looked lost.

He’s basically Amare.
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#73 » by Gravy » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:49 pm

DaGawd wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Gravy wrote:Not having Brunson exposes how nobody else can get their own shot or run an offense. This is another way the team misses Randle, it did not look pretty but his gravity and passing would be a huge help.

This roster was not that balanced and deep, everything was squeezed out of them to get to that 40-20 record

You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

i’m not gonna lie… i might even take rj over mikal right now..

They are more similar than I have enjoyed watching now that you mention it lol. Divo was the anti-RJ/Mikal
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Post#74 » by JayTWill » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:52 pm

Gravy wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Good thing the Knicks were without the selfish Jalen Brunson. Offense runs like a well oiled machine without his toxic me first play!

Knicks fans been complaining about iso since the Melo and Ewing days. They want a team of scrappy Tyler Koleks and Franks passing the ball around the perimeter for infinity!


Do you think this team would look better with prime Chris Paul or prime Jalen Brunson?
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Post#75 » by kNicksGmen » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:52 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

Randle has a lot of gravity just like a black hole

That black hole is 9-0 in his last 9 games. You must be thrilled that we traded him so we can be extra mid this year.

since you love plus minus, Randle is only positive in 4 of those games.
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Post#76 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:53 pm

Gravy wrote:
DaGawd wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:You can even see the impact Randle is having in Minny. In the last 9 games Randle has played, they are 9-0. His gravity and playmaking ability was very underrated here. We miss him badly, whether people want to admit it or not.

i’m not gonna lie… i might even take rj over mikal right now..

They are more similar than I have enjoyed watching now that you mention it lol. Divo was the anti-RJ/Mikal

It made way more sense to run it back with Randle and Donte and use some assets to get a C instead of wasting all of them on KAT and Mikal.
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Re: Knicks Clippers PG: Never again 

Post#77 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:54 pm

kNicksGmen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Randle has a lot of gravity just like a black hole

That black hole is 9-0 in his last 9 games. You must be thrilled that we traded him so we can be extra mid this year.

since you love plus minus, Randle is only positive in 4 of those games.

Since you love winning records, they’re 9-0.
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Post#78 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:54 pm

DOT wrote:The Mavs had 8 injured players last night and they still managed to play their bench more than us.


Thibs has destroyed this team in every way imaginable.

Even if we get to the playoffs with this unit intact, the damage has already been done and the ceiling is hard capped by this dinosaur and his irresponsible methods.
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Post#79 » by rajajackal » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:00 pm

didn't make an effort to watch this game
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Post#80 » by kNicksGmen » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:04 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:That black hole is 9-0 in his last 9 games. You must be thrilled that we traded him so we can be extra mid this year.

since you love plus minus, Randle is only positive in 4 of those games.

Since you love winning records, they’re 9-0.

Randle - 52 games played, 31-21 (.596) +114 (+237 in wins) -.02 on/off
Kat - 56 games played, 37-19 (.660) +286 (+510 in wins) +5.61 on/off

knicks are only +.82 net rating when Kat isn't on the floor compared to +6.43 when he's on.
meanwhile wolves are +3.60 when randle isn't on the floor and +3.58 when he is.

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