[SHAMS] De'Aaron Fox traded to Spurs, Zach Lavine to Kings

Post #321 » by **G R E Y** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:12 pm

Castle Black wrote:
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though he was going wear Kawhi old number

He was until the Spurs told him no because they're probably going to retire that # for Kawhi (which is insane to think about considering how his departure went down) so they made his pick another one and he decided to wear #4 because it was his wife's number in college.

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Marvin Martian · Post #322 » by **Marvin Martian** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:14 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Its not easy to build around Wemby for as good as he is . Feels like Pelicans Anthony Davis

It is. You get guys who can play off ball, crash the glass, and just generally not afraid to do the dirty work when Wemby isn't there to do it for them.

Spurs have the assets to get those players and yet they settled on Fox, who is one of the worst 2nd options, to pair with Wemby.

Castle is a rookie and he is already outplaying Fox.

Pelon chingon · Post #323 » by **Pelon chingon** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:16 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Its not easy to build around Wemby for as good as he is . Feels like Pelicans Anthony Davis

It is. You get guys who can play off ball, crash the glass, and just generally not afraid to do the dirty work when Wemby isn't there to do it for them.

Spurs have the assets to get those players and yet they settled on Fox, who is one of the worst 2nd options, to pair with Wemby.

Castle is a rookie and he is already outplaying Fox.

So essentially Sabonis.

zero rings · Post #324 » by **zero rings** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 5:40 pm

Ice Man wrote:Zach is a good player. He has often been underrated because his teams haven't been great, plus Zach isn't elite enough to elevate a team by his lonesome. But put him on a team with a true #1 (which the Kings don't really have, sadly) and he would be revelation. Man, Denver could use him! He would instantly be their second best player, unless Murray was on one of his periodic hot streaks.

Yeah, this is a case where people get so mad at Lavine for not being a true #1, that they forget he's a fantastic #2. He's absolutely worth the money for the right team, and the Bulls shouldn't have given him away for nothing.

Post #325 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:02 pm

maverick_41 wrote:I didn't see Mitch Richmond play, but it sounds like he is 90's Zach Lavine

Mitch never needed to be a teams #1 option. He never had a winning record with Sacremento. Lavine has only had one winning season in his professional career.

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Post #326 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:08 pm

HMFFL wrote:
maverick_41 wrote:I didn't see Mitch Richmond play, but it sounds like he is 90's Zach Lavine
Mitch never needed to be a teams #1 option. He never had a winning record with Sacremento. Lavine has only had one winning season in his professional career.

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I am not sure what you mean by this. Is the implication that Zach needs/wants to be his team's #1 option? If so, I don't see any evidence for that.

HotelVitale · Post #327 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:08 pm

zero rings wrote:
Ice Man wrote:Zach is a good player. He has often been underrated because his teams haven't been great, plus Zach isn't elite enough to elevate a team by his lonesome. But put him on a team with a true #1 (which the Kings don't really have, sadly) and he would be revelation. Man, Denver could use him! He would instantly be their second best player, unless Murray was on one of his periodic hot streaks.

Yeah, this is a case where people get so mad at Lavine for not being a true #1, that they forget he's a fantastic #2. He's absolutely worth the money for the right team, and the Bulls shouldn't have given him away for nothing.

I wouldn’t say he’s a ‘fantastic’ second option, he’s a very capable volume scorer/initiator who’s bad or okay at everything else. Agree that he’s a great scoring second option but that’s different from being a great second guy in general.

Why im sure how a nice scoring-only second option on a max deal on a bad team (and with an injury history) is worth more than the price of getting off his contract.

Marvin Martian · Post #328 » by **Marvin Martian** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:20 pm

Pelon chingon wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Its not easy to build around Wemby for as good as he is . Feels like Pelicans Anthony Davis

It is. You get guys who can play off ball, crash the glass, and just generally not afraid to do the dirty work when Wemby isn't there to do it for them.

Spurs have the assets to get those players and yet they settled on Fox, who is one of the worst 2nd options, to pair with Wemby.

Castle is a rookie and he is already outplaying Fox.

So essentially Sabonis.

Sabonis would be fantastic next to Wemby. Can shoot, rebound, and pass. He removes the need for a quality backup C because he can control the paint when Wemby is on the perimeter or on the bench.

Spurs would be a top 4 seed with Sabonis and Wemby.

BadWolf · Post #329 » by **BadWolf** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:32 pm

Wouldn't Zach be a fantastic fit on Spurs?

7seventynine9 · Post #330 » by **7seventynine9** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 6:34 pm

BadWolf wrote:Wouldn't Zach be a fantastic fit on Spurs?

If he were a few years younger. He turns 30 in a few days.

BoogieTime · Post #331 » by **BoogieTime** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:19 pm

Zach is the better player

Fox is fools gold, and I've wanted him off the Kings for years - inefficient, non spacing non playmaking guard basically

The spurs traditionally have a good FO, so dont know why they bit

Tor_Raps · Post #332 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:22 pm

Spurs didn't give up crap all for Fox so even if he plays subpar, they'll be fine as long as they don't overpay on the extension.

sackings916 · Post #333 » by **sackings916** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:26 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:Spurs didn't give up crap all for Fox so even if he plays subpar, they'll be fine as long as they don't overpay on the extension.

Since you can see into the future where did the 27 and 31 picks end up? :pray:

Tor_Raps · Post #334 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:34 pm

sackings916 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Spurs didn't give up crap all for Fox so even if he plays subpar, they'll be fine as long as they don't overpay on the extension.

Since you can see into the future where did the 27 and 31 picks end up?

The time the trade was made, Spurs made out like bandits based on what they gave up.

Now if the Kings knew Wemby was gonna have his career ended for those picks to be great then I wonder why they haven't made more of these type of trades...

sackings916 · Post #335 » by **sackings916** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:42 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Spurs didn't give up crap all for Fox so even if he plays subpar, they'll be fine as long as they don't overpay on the extension.

Since you can see into the future where did the 27 and 31 picks end up?

The time the trade was made, Spurs made out like bandits based on what they gave up.

Now if the Kings knew Wemby was gonna have his career ended for those picks to be great then I wonder why they haven't made more of these type of trades...

They got 2 unprotected 1sts and 5 2nd rounders. Yet you’ve concluded they made out like bandits. So again where did the picks end up and what players came from them?

Tor_Raps · Post #336 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 7:45 pm

sackings916 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
Since you can see into the future where did the 27 and 31 picks end up?

The time the trade was made, Spurs made out like bandits based on what they gave up.

Now if the Kings knew Wemby was gonna have his career ended for those picks to be great then I wonder why they haven't made more of these type of trades...

They got 2 unprotected 1sts and 5 2nd rounders. Yet you’ve concluded they made out like bandits. So again where did the picks end up and what players came from them?

To be clear, it was the Bulls who got screwed the most in this trade. Kings did good value wise even though they need a true PG more than a Lavine.

Like I said though, if you're going by that logic then any trade for a future draft is TBD by your logic. Might as well trade Tatum for a future 2nd Rounder because that pick can turn into a Jokic lol.

sackings916 · Post #337 » by **sackings916** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 8:06 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
The time the trade was made, Spurs made out like bandits based on what they gave up.

Now if the Kings knew Wemby was gonna have his career ended for those picks to be great then I wonder why they haven't made more of these type of trades...

They got 2 unprotected 1sts and 5 2nd rounders. Yet you’ve concluded they made out like bandits. So again where did the picks end up and what players came from them?

To be clear, it was the Bulls who got screwed the most in this trade. Kings did good value wise even though they need a true PG more than a Lavine.

Like I said though, if you're going by that logic then any trade for a future draft is TBD by your logic. Might as well trade Tatum for a future 2nd Rounder because that pick can turn into a Jokic lol.

There you go. Great example

Bornstellar · Post #338 » by **Bornstellar** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 8:07 pm

Not worried about Fox at all. Dude's been on the road for like a month and a half straight basically, is playing through an injury on his shooting hand, brand new team with a coach that inexplicably starts a PG next to him and diminishes his strengths, he has terrible spacing around him, and his Batman went down with a season ending injury after a small number of games together.

Next year when Fox's hand is healed, Wemby is back, and Castle is starting next to him, we can truly begin to judge his fit on the roster

kodo · Post #339 » by **kodo** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 8:22 pm

Tor_Raps wrote:To be clear, it was the Bulls who got screwed the most in this trade. Kings did good value wise even though they need a true PG more than a Lavine.

Bulls FO got a $9M expiring for Lavine, there's probably high 5s all around as they saved another buck.

Marvin Martian · Post #340 » by **Marvin Martian** » Sat Mar 8, 2025 10:12 pm

Bornstellar wrote:Not worried about Fox at all. Dude's been on the road for like a month and a half straight basically, is playing through an injury on his shooting hand, brand new team with a coach that inexplicably starts a PG next to him and diminishes his strengths, he has terrible spacing around him, and his Batman went down with a season ending injury after a small number of games together.

Next year when Fox's hand is healed, Wemby is back, and Castle is starting next to him, we can truly begin to judge his fit on the roster

"Terrible Spacing" and yet Castle is playing the best basketball of his career with the same players.

Fox was brought in to help the team, not for the team to help him. If he needs help from Wemby, then he is no better than the other scrubs and not worthy of being a #2 option