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[Big J]

It’s sad that you have so much hate. You can’t recognize and congratulate a guy who made history. It’s sad bro. I can’t imagine having this much hate that you can’t appreciate the history and greatness that is right in front of you. It is sad.

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

Russ got a lot of love for his accomplishments. Won and MVP (finished top 5 for 4 straight seasons), made all-star and all-NBA every year of that epic stretch. He also had a wide range of haters. Some people just wanted to push back with context of why his numbers were so ridiculous. Others took it further and were just hatey haters. Russ's decline and later struggles were seen as proof of his lack of viability as a winning basketball player, and the haters never ended their parade.

But anyways, you're just doing the same thing kinda. Complaining about people detracting from greatness while actively detracting from greatness. You like pointing out double standards while doing a double standard.

I'm not hating on Jokic's numbers, it's a great stat line. Just pointing out what happened to Westbrook.

[AleksandarN]

Nope, like pointing out double standards.

It’s sad that you have so much hate. You can’t recognize and congratulate a guy who made history. It’s sad bro. I can’t imagine having this much hate that you can’t appreciate the history and greatness that is right in front of you. It is sad.

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

It’s sad bro. You already admitted to hating. Sad way to view basketball. Just enjoy greatness. Why let hatred taint your view. No one will take you seriously if you continue with your hatred and bias

[Big J]

It’s sad that you have so much hate. You can’t recognize and congratulate a guy who made history. It’s sad bro. I can’t imagine having this much hate that you can’t appreciate the history and greatness that is right in front of you. It is sad.

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

It’s sad bro. You already admitted to hating. Sad way to view basketball. Just enjoy greatness. Why let hatred taint your view. No one will take you seriously if you continue with your hatred and bias

I actually like Jokic. He puts up big numbers, and he keeps his head down and is humble and quiet about his accomplishments. It's his fanboys I have an issue with. They should learn to be quieter like he is.

[AleksandarN]

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

Russ got a lot of love for his accomplishments. Won and MVP (finished top 5 for 4 straight seasons), made all-star and all-NBA every year of that epic stretch. He also had a wide range of haters. Some people just wanted to push back with context of why his numbers were so ridiculous. Others took it further and were just hatey haters. Russ's decline and later struggles were seen as proof of his lack of viability as a winning basketball player, and the haters never ended their parade.

But anyways, you're just doing the same thing kinda. Complaining about people detracting from greatness while actively detracting from greatness. You like pointing out double standards while doing a double standard.

I'm not hating on Jokic's numbers, it's a great stat line. Just pointing out what happened to Westbrook.

Except you just did in the other thread. On top of that you could acknowledge his greatness yet on every post you make of Jokic you try and tear him down. It is sad to have that much hatred

[AleksandarN]

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

It’s sad bro. You already admitted to hating. Sad way to view basketball. Just enjoy greatness. Why let hatred taint your view. No one will take you seriously if you continue with your hatred and bias

I actually like Jokic. He puts up big numbers, and he keeps his head down and is humble and quiet about his accomplishments. It's his fanboys I have an issue with. They should learn to be quieter like he is.

Why do you tear him down on almost every post you make about him. You can be objective and you are not. You know people have access to your posting history it is sad

[Big J]

It’s sad bro. You already admitted to hating. Sad way to view basketball. Just enjoy greatness. Why let hatred taint your view. No one will take you seriously if you continue with your hatred and bias

I actually like Jokic. He puts up big numbers, and he keeps his head down and is humble and quiet about his accomplishments. It's his fanboys I have an issue with. They should learn to be quieter like he is.

Why do you tear him down on almost every post you make about him. You can be objective and you are not. You know people have access to your posting history it is sad

I don't tear him down, I tear down his fanboys.

[AleksandarN]

I actually like Jokic. He puts up big numbers, and he keeps his head down and is humble and quiet about his accomplishments. It's his fanboys I have an issue with. They should learn to be quieter like he is.

Why do you tear him down on almost every post you make about him. You can be objective and you are not. You know people have access to your posting history it is sad

I don't tear him down, I tear down his fanboys.

No you tear him down to try and tear down his “fanboys”. Btw who is a fanboy. What’s your definition of Jokic fanboy?

[cupcakesnake]

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

It’s sad bro. You already admitted to hating. Sad way to view basketball. Just enjoy greatness. Why let hatred taint your view. No one will take you seriously if you continue with your hatred and bias

I actually like Jokic. He puts up big numbers, and he keeps his head down and is humble and quiet about his accomplishments. It's his fanboys I have an issue with. They should learn to be quieter like he is.

But if they stay quiet about it, a person like you will come along in another 10 years when another player is making history, and say "Nobody recognized Jokic making history. They just hated on him."

AleksandarN is basically calling you a party pooper. Showing up at someone's birthday and complaining that someone else's birthday party wasn't as big.

[JM00n69]

It’s sad that you have so much hate. You can’t recognize and congratulate a guy who made history. It’s sad bro. I can’t imagine having this much hate that you can’t appreciate the history and greatness that is right in front of you. It is sad.

Nobody recognized Westbrook making history. They just hated on him. I'm not hating, just pointing things out. You are interpreting that as hating.

Westbrook won the MVP. People noticed.

Everything I've said and defended about Russ's 4 triple dub seasons, the MVP he got was given just for him avering it. largely led by the media hype leading up to the end of that season- how could you not, no-one has done it in a long time and it's historic. Harden got robbed that year because of the narrative and 100% deserved it over WB.

[tsherkin]

Yeah. I've rooted against MJ, Kobe, and Lebron so I'm used to being unhappy about someone else's success
But when I see my fellow haters try to frame every accomplishment as a negative, it makes me embarrassed to be a hater! It's honestly fun to root against a great player, but it's also embarrassing to have horrible basketball takes. Important to find the balance!

Yeah, you can root against someone because they aren't on your team and are beating you, for example, but being pissed that they're good is ridiculous.

I'm talking about people on this forum. He got a ton of hate here that Jokic doesn't.

When the impact was there, he got love. When his offense degenerated from league average to MASSIVELY below league average efficiency and his impact disappeared, people stopped caring as much because he was posting horrible scoring stats and wasn't a high-impact guy anymore. It's not really a comparable scenario. Westie legit shot OKC out of a bunch of playoff victories, so he had his reputation and then he got worse, and considerably so, after 2017.

[zero rings]

I actually like Jokic. He puts up big numbers, and he keeps his head down and is humble and quiet about his accomplishments. It's his fanboys I have an issue with. They should learn to be quieter like he is.

Why do you tear him down on almost every post you make about him. You can be objective and you are not. You know people have access to your posting history it is sad

I don't tear him down, I tear down his fanboys.

Aren't you the same guy who said Gasol could do what Jokic does if he played in the same "system"?

You're not tearing down anybody with these awful takes.

[AleksandarN]

Why do you tear him down on almost every post you make about him. You can be objective and you are not. You know people have access to your posting history it is sad

I don't tear him down, I tear down his fanboys.

Aren't you the same guy who said Gasol could do what Jokic does if he played in the same "system"?

You're not tearing down anybody with these awful takes.

Yeah it is easy to look at his posting history and see. At best atleast be objective. I have when it came to jokic heck I got criticized for that last year. It’s when people hate so much they lose credibility as an objective person that’s the problem.

[G R E Y]

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[Big J]

Why do you tear him down on almost every post you make about him. You can be objective and you are not. You know people have access to your posting history it is sad

I don't tear him down, I tear down his fanboys.

No you tear him down to try and tear down his “fanboys”. Btw who is a fanboy. What’s your definition of Jokic fanboy?

Lol, we all know what a fanboy is. I don't need to find you a god damn dictionary bro.

[shi-woo]

MVP

Peaked higher than anyone in the game right now not named Lebron.

Keen to see how high he can climb that ladder.

I think he low key has peaked higher than LeBron at this point, we just haven't seen him with 1) a consistently healthy team, and 2) what he can do playing along side a plethora of All-Time Greats and ANBA players.

He's the greatest floor raiser of all time at this point, and is the only dude to win a title with such little talent. LeBron couldn't do that, and is the sole reason he started franchise hoping, to avoid narratives like the one Jokic is in now. The only difference is Jokic is so good, he actually broke through and won one for his franchise, so we don't need to speculate like we did with LBJ, we know he has the ability.

Is their really any doubt in your mind that if you gave Jokic the caliber of teams that LeBron was surrounded with from 2010-current that he wouldn't have more success? The idea of Jokic playing alongside Tatum (Wade/AD), Siakam (Bosh/Love), and Garland (Kyrie) should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up

I think you would be lying to yourself if you said no.

[MrPainfulTruth]

it's pretty remarkable. However, this is the weakest era for centers in NBA history and the weakest era for basketball in general tbh so offensive numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's like how 5k yards in a season by QBs used to be rare. Marino was the first to do it in 1984. Then it didn't happen again until the late 90s after rules changes and since, it's been done like 14 times. Just completely different sports.

Well who else is effortlessly generating stats like this, without chasing / padding them then if its so easy?

Its crazy how people try to discredit the greatness that is in front of their eyes.

[MrPainfulTruth]

Nikola Jokic is the best center in NBA history.

May not end up with the most MVPs. Won’t end up with the most titles.

But nobody at his or any other position can do what he does at every phase of the offensive side of the ball.

I'd argue that Bill Russell is the equivalent or greater defensive savant comparable to Jokic's offense. Since Russell's output resulted in actual megabuttload of rings, I give the nod to Russell. And I'd still put Kareem ahead of Jokic. Results do matter, asterisks aside. The object of the game is to win, and to win championships, not log triple doubles.

Pretty nice accomplishment, though. Let's give it twenty years and see how it all ages. I'm perfectly willing to change my mind.

I agree it is but im not all that impressed with Jokic’s teammates. Murray and Porter Jr. aren’t real stars and are inconsistent.

If Jokic played in the superteam era and forced his way to certain teams / or forced his team to acquire certain stars/superstars I think he’d have 4-5 titles.

If he pulled a LeBron or KD, who would bet against him overtaking both of them in all time ranking? Can you imagine him playing alongside Steph and Klay and having Draymond hold the defense?

[JM00n69]

I think UglyBugBall is a Luka fan who sees anything Jokic does as somehow taking away from Luka. Ironically, Luka probably is the next most likely guy to have a 30/20/20 game but I doubt we'll hear UglyBugBall call Luka a stat chaser, or try to frame the game in the most negative light if that happens.

I like to root for and against basketball players too, but I don't understand how fans who have watched the game for as long as most people on this forum have can choose to be so deliberately biased and unashamedly give indefensibly awful takes just to push their feelings and opinions out.

This is THE point and I don't get it either. I hated Lakers back in the day because of how insuffarable and loud the casual LA fans were. Made me see Kobe as a villain. Same with Curry and the massive GSW bandwagon that came about. When they lost a game it felt like a win to me. But I've always respected the players and their talen, the work they've put in on the court and off. To hate on a player just because you want someone else to be better than them who isn't is nuts. I get being a homer to your team but to a player? Wtf

Yeah. I've rooted against MJ, Kobe, and Lebron so I'm used to being unhappy about someone else's success
But when I see my fellow haters try to frame every accomplishment as a negative, it makes me embarrassed to be a hater! It's honestly fun to root against a great player, but it's also embarrassing to have horrible basketball takes. Important to find the balance!

I know. And LBJ even, the greatest player in any sport probably if you account for longevety. Probably the best resume to rival MJ so far. Or if someone thinks he has that's OK with me. Some people like to think he had a spotless career on and off the court and when you bring up things that happened along the way it's war time. It don't take anything away from a players greatness though even if we rooted against them.

Also I see the Wolves badge. Really, really good team you had that year but the whistle in G2 won you that series. All time fix that game was but not your fault. Just had to bring it up soz. And this probably hightlightes the positive homerism

[MrPainfulTruth]

As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.

Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.

[Sgt Major]

Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.

I respect your grind. It takes sheer will power and dedication to post this nonsense day after day.