White to Orl, another try

[tmorgan]

Middle half to top half means what exactly? And is there a Bolton half? That’s three halves, ya know.

16 to 10 is just out of the lottery to pretty late lottery. That’s just not all that much. Six spots can be huge if you end up top three or something, but this isn’t that.

Coby White is a talented guy. Not as valuable as your top three guys, but still of real value. You don’t get him for scraps, which is pretty much what 16 to 10 is.

16 is just the best possible scenario for this trade. That Portland pick could end up being 30th pick in 2028. Would you trade 10 for Coby and 30? No, you would not. Let's say the middle of the range 22. Is Coby + 22 worth 10? No, that value is off.

I love having 3 halves, so jokes on you. Thirds are for jerks.

Well, at least we’ve found the essence of our disagreement. Coby + 22 is definitely worth 10 in a typical draft.

Agreeing to disagree works for me here. I’m gonna cut this sandwich in half and eat all three pieces and wander off now.

[Ducklett]

Middle half to top half means what exactly? And is there a Bolton half? That’s three halves, ya know.

16 to 10 is just out of the lottery to pretty late lottery. That’s just not all that much. Six spots can be huge if you end up top three or something, but this isn’t that.

Coby White is a talented guy. Not as valuable as your top three guys, but still of real value. You don’t get him for scraps, which is pretty much what 16 to 10 is.

16 is just the best possible scenario for this trade. That Portland pick could end up being 30th pick in 2028. Would you trade 10 for Coby and 30? No, you would not. Let's say the middle of the range 22. Is Coby + 22 worth 10? No, that value is off.

I love having 3 halves, so jokes on you. Thirds are for jerks.

Well, at least we’ve found the essence of our disagreement. Coby + 22 is definitely worth 10 in a typical draft.

Agreeing to disagree works for me here. I’m gonna cut this sandwich in half and eat all three pieces and wander off now.

If Coby wasn't an expiring, I think him and 22 might be worth 10 depending on the draft, but Coby is an expiring and is going to demand much more than 12 mil/season, which damages his value.

[Skybox]

16 is just the best possible scenario for this trade. That Portland pick could end up being 30th pick in 2028. Would you trade 10 for Coby and 30? No, you would not. Let's say the middle of the range 22. Is Coby + 22 worth 10? No, that value is off.

I love having 3 halves, so jokes on you. Thirds are for jerks.

Well, at least we’ve found the essence of our disagreement. Coby + 22 is definitely worth 10 in a typical draft.

Agreeing to disagree works for me here. I’m gonna cut this sandwich in half and eat all three pieces and wander off now.

If Coby wasn't an expiring, I think him and 22 might be worth 10 depending on the draft, but Coby is an expiring and is going to demand much more than 12 mil/season, which damages his value.

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

[OrlandoDream]

Well, at least we’ve found the essence of our disagreement. Coby + 22 is definitely worth 10 in a typical draft.

Agreeing to disagree works for me here. I’m gonna cut this sandwich in half and eat all three pieces and wander off now.

If Coby wasn't an expiring, I think him and 22 might be worth 10 depending on the draft, but Coby is an expiring and is going to demand much more than 12 mil/season, which damages his value.

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

With his production, Coby will be seeking new contract around 20ish range. Can we afford that with Suggs/Franz kicking in next year and Paolos max the following? Maybe by denouncing some players and KCP coming off the books or trading him.

We have the assets to trade for White but is this the final vision and best backcourt upgrade we can do? If front office believes so, then make the move. If not, then cash in our assets for better player/fit. I just don't know what other realistic targets our there we will be able to afford/sign long term while keeping core Suggs/Paolo/Franz.

[orlando_joe]

Well, at least we’ve found the essence of our disagreement. Coby + 22 is definitely worth 10 in a typical draft.

Agreeing to disagree works for me here. I’m gonna cut this sandwich in half and eat all three pieces and wander off now.

If Coby wasn't an expiring, I think him and 22 might be worth 10 depending on the draft, but Coby is an expiring and is going to demand much more than 12 mil/season, which damages his value.

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

what if its next sga at 11

also since when can you take ahead about contracts?

[Skybox]

If Coby wasn't an expiring, I think him and 22 might be worth 10 depending on the draft, but Coby is an expiring and is going to demand much more than 12 mil/season, which damages his value.

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

With his production, Coby will be seeking new contract around 20ish range. Can we afford that with Suggs/Franz kicking in next year and Paolos max the following? Maybe by denouncing some players and KCP coming off the books or trading him.

We have the assets to trade for White but is this the final vision and best backcourt upgrade we can do? If front office believes so, then make the move. If not, then cash in our assets for better player/fit. I just don't know what other realistic targets our there we will be able to afford/sign long term while keeping core Suggs/Paolo/Franz.

I think so...Coby, Sexton, Simons, and CJ McCollum are all expiring next season...I think all of them are likely to get around $20m per and deserve it. Our money problems have a lot more to do with other players and fans on RealGM generally don't want to consider that getting off of KCP and WCJ's ill-advised deals might involve some sweeteners...but that's what ORL will have to do if they want to reverse this impotent offensive trend. Those aren't bad players and I'd argue that they're not even necessarily negative value in a vacuum...but they are on ORL's roster...A guy who can put up points and assists, spread the floor for P&F and, on occasion/if needed, lead the team in scoring and abuse any defense that chooses to double and triple the forwards and dare him to shoot is well worth that.

Seriously, jump in your time machine and tell me who ORL could pick at #10 or #11 that will contribute anything close to what Coby or those other guys will do the day they step off the plane. Paolo & Franz are ahead of schedule...they both arrived there LAST season. Why waste another season (or more) with this BS "organic development of incoming teenagers" instead of letting another org, that might not be in the same situation, patiently develop another kid. If we get some lotto luck, Dylan Harper starts for ORL in October...nobody else projects the same level of "ready" in that spot for ORL, imo. The FO needs to be really bold this summer to right the ship and balance the defense with offensive playmaking - while still keeping an eye on the checkbook. This will require addition as well as subtraction and probably some substantial draft equity to grease the wheels...that's why they should have already made this deal at the TD, so they could be a step or two ahead.

[Skybox]

If Coby wasn't an expiring, I think him and 22 might be worth 10 depending on the draft, but Coby is an expiring and is going to demand much more than 12 mil/season, which damages his value.

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

what if its next sga at 11

You sound like Weltman...more afraid to make some extremely unlikely mistake than willing to do ANYTHING. He's a p***y and his "paralysis by analysis" has set this franchise back at least a year and, hopefully, hasn't pissed off our two young stars who have been left holding the bag.

[tmorgan]

That’s just it. Orlando was already where Detroit is now, but through poor injury luck and mismanagement, the team has taken a step back. Trying to buck the trend is cool, in my opinion, but you can only go so far with it. When you have three young potential stars, none of whom are good three point shooters, what do you do? What about when two of them are good defensively, and the third probably can be with some additional work? Surround them with good defenders that can’t shoot, you say? Seems like the wrong answer.

I don’t care if it’s Jaden Ivey or not (Detroit still has time to make that decision), Orlando needs to do something besides sit on draft picks and hope things work out. I doubt any of the young guys would be bold enough to take the QO,so yes, you have Franz, Paolo and Suggs for another five years, but why just waste them? KCP wasn’t a terrible move, but it looks like he’s in an early decline. Black was definitely not the right pick in that situation, more defense that can’t shoot. And I could’ve told you Jett Howard was a bad choice on draft day (just like Kobe Bufkin in ATL) as a Michigan guy.

Make a move, Orlando. This is getting ridiculous.

[orlando_joe]

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

what if its next sga at 11

You sound like Weltman...more afraid to make some extremely unlikely mistake than willing to do ANYTHING. He's a p***y and his "paralysis by analysis" has set this franchise back at least a year and, hopefully, hasn't pissed off our two young stars who have been left holding the bag.

then you are like who ever was gm of nets when boston made the trade and got 3 unprotected first that turned into what they did for washed up old players and killed there franchise for yrs

[pipfan]

I think White/Terry for CAnthony/Howard/Den pick would work too, right?

[Skybox]

what if its next sga at 11

You sound like Weltman...more afraid to make some extremely unlikely mistake than willing to do ANYTHING. He's a p***y and his "paralysis by analysis" has set this franchise back at least a year and, hopefully, hasn't pissed off our two young stars who have been left holding the bag.

then you are like who ever was gm of nets when boston made the trade and got 3 unprotected first that turned into what they did for washed up old players and killed there franchise for yrs

It's exactly like that but one protected pick and it's for a young guy...so, nothing like that

[Skybox]

I think White/Terry for CAnthony/Howard/Den pick would work too, right?

I like it...not sure about CHI

[OrlandoDream]

So, you discuss the extension beforehand...Coby is a combo guard that can spread the floor, drop 44 once in a great while (on awful teams with glaring offensive needs ). We've thrown so much money at the wrong things and clung to stuff of minimal value relative to a guy who will come and give you exactly what you need DAY 1...figure out what you want to pay him, get it agreed to, and make a deal...even if it means missing out on the next Jett Howard at 11.

With his production, Coby will be seeking new contract around 20ish range. Can we afford that with Suggs/Franz kicking in next year and Paolos max the following? Maybe by denouncing some players and KCP coming off the books or trading him.

We have the assets to trade for White but is this the final vision and best backcourt upgrade we can do? If front office believes so, then make the move. If not, then cash in our assets for better player/fit. I just don't know what other realistic targets our there we will be able to afford/sign long term while keeping core Suggs/Paolo/Franz.

I think so...Coby, Sexton, Simons, and CJ McCollum are all expiring next season...I think all of them are likely to get around $20m per and deserve it. Our money problems have a lot more to do with other players and fans on RealGM generally don't want to consider that getting off of KCP and WCJ's ill-advised deals might involve some sweeteners...but that's what ORL will have to do if they want to reverse this impotent offensive trend. Those aren't bad players and I'd argue that they're not even necessarily negative value in a vacuum...but they are on ORL's roster...A guy who can put up points and assists, spread the floor for P&F and, on occasion/if needed, lead the team in scoring and abuse any defense that chooses to double and triple the forwards and dare him to shoot is well worth that.

Seriously, jump in your time machine and tell me who ORL could pick at #10 or #11 that will contribute anything close to what Coby or those other guys will do the day they step off the plane. Paolo & Franz are ahead of schedule...they both arrived there LAST season. Why waste another season (or more) with this BS "organic development of incoming teenagers" instead of letting another org, that might not be in the same situation, patiently develop another kid. If we get some lotto luck, Dylan Harper starts for ORL in October...nobody else projects the same level of "ready" in that spot for ORL, imo. The FO needs to be really bold this summer to right the ship and balance the defense with offensive playmaking - while still keeping an eye on the checkbook. This will require addition as well as subtraction and probably some substantial draft equity to grease the wheels...that's why they should have already made this deal at the TD, so they could be a step or two ahead.

Outside of top 3 pick this year, I don't see anyone after that bring thrown into a playoffs team and being a contributing rotation player n their first year. Guard wise that is. THis is why I'm hoping we just tank rest of the season and end up with highest possible pick to use as trade. The higher the pick the more value it will hold. Were not going into next season with 4 new picks. At most I see uf keeping denver pick and trying to find some rotation piece on low salary. Maybe backup C like Danny Wolf?

[orlando_joe]

You sound like Weltman...more afraid to make some extremely unlikely mistake than willing to do ANYTHING. He's a p***y and his "paralysis by analysis" has set this franchise back at least a year and, hopefully, hasn't pissed off our two young stars who have been left holding the bag.

then you are like who ever was gm of nets when boston made the trade and got 3 unprotected first that turned into what they did for washed up old players and killed there franchise for yrs

It's exactly like that but one protected pick and it's for a young guy...so, nothing like that

its about 90% of your trades