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[tsherkin]

Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.

I respect your grind. It takes sheer will power and dedication to post this nonsense day after day.

One time, he even crapped on someone else's achievement with a pencil...

[UglyBugBall]

Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.

This is a remarkably bad take. Yeah, the Suns were quite bad. That's fairly normal for a big game like this. Assists require guys to make shots. That's also... inescapably true. Basically, you're making a bunch of excuses for him having an incredible and basically unprecedented game.

I think UglyBugBall is a Luka fan who sees anything Jokic does as somehow taking away from Luka. Ironically, Luka probably is the next most likely guy to have a 30/20/20 game but I doubt we'll hear UglyBugBall call Luka a stat chaser, or try to frame the game in the most negative light if that happens.

I like to root for and against basketball players too, but I don't understand how fans who have watched the game for as long as most people on this forum have can choose to be so deliberately biased and unashamedly give indefensibly awful takes just to push their feelings and opinions out.

I'm of the school that if you win without me you're dead to me. I'd love to watch more Jokic, but the guy came into the league under the radar so I never followed his career early. His style of play also wasn't super attractive to me (not his fault). Then he won his MVP and then a title without me and I was never going to support him then on. It's the same reason I've never followed a Lebron team in 20 years except for in the finals. I pick my players early and I ride and die with them. I picked Westbrook and I mostly died with him. I picked Luka and I'm riding him til the end. Wemby I'll be jumping on next season. Jokic is standing in Luka's way, so I'm always going to root against him.

[tsherkin]

I'm of the school that if you win without me you're dead to me. I'd love to watch more Jokic, but the guy came into the league under the radar so I never followed his career early. His style of play also wasn't super attractive to me (not his fault). Then he won his MVP and then a title without me and I was never going to support him then on. It's the same reason I've never followed a Lebron team in 20 years except for in the finals. I pick my players early and I ride and die with them. I picked Westbrook and I mostly died with him. I picked Luka and I'm riding him til the end. Wemby I'll be jumping on next season. Jokic is standing in Luka's way, so I'm always going to root against him.

From the perspective of who you enjoy and who you watch, that's fine.

From the perspective of coherent basketball discourse, however, you are setting yourself up for gross failure, time and again.

[UglyBugBall]

As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.

Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.

You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.

[tsherkin]

You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.

You need to drop a /s or green-font nonsense like that, man.

[Ainosterhaspie]

it's pretty remarkable. However, this is the weakest era for centers in NBA history and the weakest era for basketball in general tbh so offensive numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's like how 5k yards in a season by QBs used to be rare. Marino was the first to do it in 1984. Then it didn't happen again until the late 90s after rules changes and since, it's been done like 14 times. Just completely different sports.

Well who else is effortlessly generating stats like this, without chasing / padding them then if its so easy?

Its crazy how people try to discredit the greatness that is in front of their eyes.

Top tier irony in this post.

[JM00n69]

This is a remarkably bad take. Yeah, the Suns were quite bad. That's fairly normal for a big game like this. Assists require guys to make shots. That's also... inescapably true. Basically, you're making a bunch of excuses for him having an incredible and basically unprecedented game.

I think UglyBugBall is a Luka fan who sees anything Jokic does as somehow taking away from Luka. Ironically, Luka probably is the next most likely guy to have a 30/20/20 game but I doubt we'll hear UglyBugBall call Luka a stat chaser, or try to frame the game in the most negative light if that happens.

I like to root for and against basketball players too, but I don't understand how fans who have watched the game for as long as most people on this forum have can choose to be so deliberately biased and unashamedly give indefensibly awful takes just to push their feelings and opinions out.

I'm of the school that if you win without me you're dead to me. I'd love to watch more Jokic, but the guy came into the league under the radar so I never followed his career early. His style of play also wasn't super attractive to me (not his fault). Then he won his MVP and then a title without me and I was never going to support him then on. It's the same reason I've never followed a Lebron team in 20 years except for in the finals. I pick my players early and I ride and die with them. I picked Westbrook and I mostly died with him. I picked Luka and I'm riding him til the end. Wemby I'll be jumping on next season. Jokic is standing in Luka's way, so I'm always going to root against him.

So you're a casual that has 0 respect for the game, it's history AND has no idea of the positive impact basketball and the NBA as a laugue has had on millions and millions of people around the world for a very long time.

It's not about A player, it's about the game. Respect the game or **** off with your ride or die bs that's not what this is

[JM00n69]

Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.

I respect your grind. It takes sheer will power and dedication to post this nonsense day after day.

LAL got wrecked in the playoffs in '23 when finally the refs were neutral. And the year after. Plus the sweep inbetween during the regular season. I get the hate but this cupcake is a Luka fan (nothing wrong with that) so wtf.

[Handlez]

Quite a few of those weren't actual assists, but great game.

Just wasn't a 30, 20, 20 game for real.

[fansse]

Kevin Durant on Nikola Jokic's 30-20-20 game:

"The whole offense is centered around him making a play. I'm actually kind of surprised he hasn't done this before."

"All-time great, man. All-time great"

"He gets the ball every play, so the numbers are gonna pile up..."

[UglyBugBall]

Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.

I respect your grind. It takes sheer will power and dedication to post this nonsense day after day.

LAL got wrecked in the playoffs in '23 when finally the refs were neutral. And the year after. Plus the sweep inbetween during the regular season. I get the hate but this cupcake is a Luka fan (nothing wrong with that) so wtf.

I had a Dallas logo until Luka got traded, so I don't care what LAL did or didn't do in the past. Post Luka we destroyed DEN and if we meet them in the playoffs Luka will destroy them again there too.

[Chokic]

As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.

Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.

You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.

Youre not gonna win any arguments with your logic in this echo chamber of jokic glaze. These disciples worship at the of church of jokic. Dude has only 1 championship ring and 3 default mvps bc of embiids injuries and hes called the greatest of all time and hes already surpassed tim duncan and shaq lol.

[AleksandarN]

I don't tear him down, I tear down his fanboys.

No you tear him down to try and tear down his “fanboys”. Btw who is a fanboy. What’s your definition of Jokic fanboy?

Lol, we all know what a fanboy is. I don't need to find you a god damn dictionary bro.

I think maybe you do because I don’t think you know what fanboys are. I do know what is a hater though.

[og15]

Quite a few of those weren't actual assists, but great game.

Just wasn't a 30, 20, 20 game for real.

Most of the ____ assists games aren't "real" and are technically usually a few under what the final number is. So considering everyone is on the same playing field of getting a couple extra assists, it works.

[AleksandarN]

As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.

Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.

You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.

That’s a dumb take even coming from you. I mean be a better troll. Do better put some effort into it. Use some intelligence. It is really embarrassing

[The High Cyde]

It’s getting rather tough to keep him out of the top 5 all time already, which probably means he’s already grabbed a seat at the table. Unreal player, normalized being an anomaly.

[UglyBugBall]

As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.

Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.

You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.

Youre not gonna win any arguments with your logic in this echo chamber of jokic glaze. These disciples worship at the of church of jokic. Dude has only 1 championship ring and 3 default mvps bc of embiids injuries and hes called the greatest of all time and hes already surpassed tim duncan and shaq lol.

This dude won MVPs as the 6 seed and 3 seed. The damn 6 seed. And now stans want to give him another as the third seed, and the #6 team overall. You used to have to be a top 2 seed to win MVP's. Westbrook was an exception because he put up the first triple dub we've seen in decades after his co star left him. Jokic stans don't care about winning though, all they care about is FG%, PER and win shares. They'd give him the MVP if he was the 8 seed. Hell, they'd probably give it to him if he was outside of the playin too.

[UglyBugBall]

Quite a few of those weren't actual assists, but great game.

Just wasn't a 30, 20, 20 game for real.

Most of the ____ assists games aren't "real" and are technically usually a few under what the final number is. So considering everyone is on the same playing field of getting a couple extra assists, it works.

There's no evidence that everyone is on the same playing field.

[og15]

Quite a few of those weren't actual assists, but great game.

Just wasn't a 30, 20, 20 game for real.

Most of the ____ assists games aren't "real" and are technically usually a few under what the final number is. So considering everyone is on the same playing field of getting a couple extra assists, it works.

There's no evidence that everyone is on the same playing field.

Is there evidence of the contrary?

I've seen everyone from the last player on the bench to superstars get the not so impressive assists

[HotRocks34]

They inflated Jokic's assists!

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