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AleksandarN wrote:Big J wrote:AleksandarN wrote:No you tear him down to try and tear down his “fanboys”. Btw who is a fanboy. What’s your definition of Jokic fanboy?
Lol, we all know what a fanboy is. I don't need to find you a god damn dictionary bro.
I think maybe you do because I don’t think you know what fanboys are. I do know what is a hater though.
UglyBugBall wrote:MrPainfulTruth wrote:As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.
Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.
You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.
UglyBugBall wrote:cupcakesnake wrote:tsherkin wrote:
This is a remarkably bad take. Yeah, the Suns were quite bad. That's fairly normal for a big game like this. Assists require guys to make shots. That's also... inescapably true. Basically, you're making a bunch of excuses for him having an incredible and basically unprecedented game.
I think UglyBugBall is a Luka fan who sees anything Jokic does as somehow taking away from Luka. Ironically, Luka probably is the next most likely guy to have a 30/20/20 game but I doubt we'll hear UglyBugBall call Luka a stat chaser, or try to frame the game in the most negative light if that happens.
I like to root for and against basketball players too, but I don't understand how fans who have watched the game for as long as most people on this forum have can choose to be so deliberately biased and unashamedly give indefensibly awful takes just to push their feelings and opinions out.
I'm of the school that if you win without me you're dead to me. I'd love to watch more Jokic, but the guy came into the league under the radar so I never followed his career early. His style of play also wasn't super attractive to me (not his fault). Then he won his MVP and then a title without me and I was never going to support him then on. It's the same reason I've never followed a Lebron team in 20 years except for in the finals. I pick my players early and I ride and die with them. I picked Westbrook and I mostly died with him. I picked Luka and I'm riding him til the end. Wemby I'll be jumping on next season. Jokic is standing in Luka's way, so I'm always going to root against him.
UglyBugBall wrote:MrPainfulTruth wrote:As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.
Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.
You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.
web123888 wrote:Nikola Jokic is the best center in NBA history.
May not end up with the most MVPs. Won’t end up with the most titles.
But nobody at his or any other position can do what he does at every phase of the offensive side of the ball.
Infinite Llamas wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:MrPainfulTruth wrote:As for the people saying Jokic is stat padding. Theres one very good indicator where you can tell selfish stat padders from team players. Its about who takes last second heaves and who doesnt. Go check out your favorite player and check how many end of quartner (Q1-Q3) heaves he took. Statistically every superstar has plenty opportunity. Most prefer to dribble out the time to then take a fake shot, to protect their 3PT%. Honorary badge of the stat padder.
Think about who takes those with regularity. Two guys come to my mind.
You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.
Jokic career heaves- 45
Luka career heaves- 44
Congratulations on being a hypocrite and calling your idol a stat ladder. Your Luka fan club card has hereby been revoked.
UglyBugBall wrote:cupcakesnake wrote:tsherkin wrote:
This is a remarkably bad take. Yeah, the Suns were quite bad. That's fairly normal for a big game like this. Assists require guys to make shots. That's also... inescapably true. Basically, you're making a bunch of excuses for him having an incredible and basically unprecedented game.
I think UglyBugBall is a Luka fan who sees anything Jokic does as somehow taking away from Luka. Ironically, Luka probably is the next most likely guy to have a 30/20/20 game but I doubt we'll hear UglyBugBall call Luka a stat chaser, or try to frame the game in the most negative light if that happens.
I like to root for and against basketball players too, but I don't understand how fans who have watched the game for as long as most people on this forum have can choose to be so deliberately biased and unashamedly give indefensibly awful takes just to push their feelings and opinions out.
I'm of the school that if you win without me you're dead to me. I'd love to watch more Jokic, but the guy came into the league under the radar so I never followed his career early. His style of play also wasn't super attractive to me (not his fault). Then he won his MVP and then a title without me and I was never going to support him then on. It's the same reason I've never followed a Lebron team in 20 years except for in the finals. I pick my players early and I ride and die with them. I picked Westbrook and I mostly died with him. I picked Luka and I'm riding him til the end. Wemby I'll be jumping on next season. Jokic is standing in Luka's way, so I'm always going to root against him.
guynumber45 wrote:Sweet Serenity wrote:Big J wrote:Funny how when Westbrook did stuff like this we poo pooed it, but now that it’s Jokic we’re jizzing on him.
One guy only ever cared about his stats.
The other guy doesn’t.
Seriously. Anyone who watched Westbrook back in the day could tell how "forced" some of his triple doubles were. I can recall so many instances where he forced passes in windows where he had a clear scoring opportunity just to up his assist totals.
Jokic gets all his numbers within the flow of the offense. He takes whatever the game gives him.
UglyBugBall wrote:Chokic wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:
You're looking at it wrong. Jokic takes those heaves to pad his box score numbers. That's what he cares about. If he makes it he adds more to his PPG. Other players care about playing winning basketball, so they'd rather not kill their rhythm with stupid shots.
Youre not gonna win any arguments with your logic in this echo chamber of jokic glaze. These disciples worship at the of church of jokic. Dude has only 1 championship ring and 3 default mvps bc of embiids injuries and hes called the greatest of all time and hes already surpassed tim duncan and shaq lol.
This dude won MVPs as the 6 seed and 3 seed. The damn 6 seed. And now stans want to give him another as the third seed, and the #6 team overall. You used to have to be a top 2 seed to win MVP's. Westbrook was an exception because he put up the first triple dub we've seen in decades after his co star left him. Jokic stans don't care about winning though, all they care about is FG%, PER and win shares. They'd give him the MVP if he was the 8 seed. Hell, they'd probably give it to him if he was outside of the playin too.
UglyBugBall wrote:Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.
UglyBugBall wrote:JM00n69 wrote:Sgt Major wrote:
I respect your grind. It takes sheer will power and dedication to post this nonsense day after day.
LAL got wrecked in the playoffs in '23 when finally the refs were neutral. And the year after. Plus the sweep inbetween during the regular season. I get the hate but this cupcake is a Luka fan (nothing wrong with that) so wtf.
I had a Dallas logo until Luka got traded, so I don't care what LAL did or didn't do in the past. Post Luka we destroyed DEN and if we meet them in the playoffs Luka will destroy them again there too.
web123888 wrote:Nikola Jokic is the best center in NBA history.
May not end up with the most MVPs. Won’t end up with the most titles.
But nobody at his or any other position can do what he does at every phase of the offensive side of the ball.
The High Cyde wrote:It’s getting rather tough to keep him out of the top 5 all time already, which probably means he’s already grabbed a seat at the table. Unreal player, normalized being an anomaly.
1993Playoffs wrote:No way is he over Kareem
Ainosterhaspie wrote:UglyBugBall wrote:Chokic wrote:
Youre not gonna win any arguments with your logic in this echo chamber of jokic glaze. These disciples worship at the of church of jokic. Dude has only 1 championship ring and 3 default mvps bc of embiids injuries and hes called the greatest of all time and hes already surpassed tim duncan and shaq lol.
This dude won MVPs as the 6 seed and 3 seed. The damn 6 seed. And now stans want to give him another as the third seed, and the #6 team overall. You used to have to be a top 2 seed to win MVP's. Westbrook was an exception because he put up the first triple dub we've seen in decades after his co star left him. Jokic stans don't care about winning though, all they care about is FG%, PER and win shares. They'd give him the MVP if he was the 8 seed. Hell, they'd probably give it to him if he was outside of the playin too.
Kareem got one with a losing record while missing the playoffs entirely.
UglyBugBall wrote:The High Cyde wrote:It’s getting rather tough to keep him out of the top 5 all time already, which probably means he’s already grabbed a seat at the table. Unreal player, normalized being an anomaly.
With 1 title? Pretty easy to keep him out of the top 5. Pretty easy to keep him out of the top 10 too.
tsherkin wrote:1993Playoffs wrote:No way is he over Kareem
Why?
1993Playoffs wrote:Kareem’s is a goat candidate , who (like LeBron) was incredible for a stupid amount of time, he needs atleast 10 more years of playing like he has