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[prophet_of_rage]

I also have problems with yoye belief that a defence obsessed Thibs would not use a visibly effective strategy.

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You have problems believing Thibs wouldn’t change his strategy?

I believe that Thibs uses his best defensive strategies. You can talk about offence, but I do not believe he would prevent KAT from switching if it were viable and KAT wanted to.

Thibs gives his players a lot of freedom. That's why Thibs failed in Minny. He cannot change lazy players.

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[god shammgod]

towns has had like 5 different nba coaches and none of them could make him effective on defense as a center. but a guy on the internet has it all figured out. ok then.

[ScienceOfLosing]

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Why is KAT playing so much on that knee?
Why does Thibs continue to start Hart and burn him out, when his fit is better on the bench (or at least worth a try?)
Injuries piling up and no changes, unless you count Deuce being a PG now, a starting one.
No development of Kolek when we can’t score.

Thibs is choosing not to continue as coach.

At this point I just choose to watch the 10 minute condensed games.

Who replaces Hart in the lineup? Deuce is already the PG. Payne or Shamet?

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Cam as PG and Deuce as SG.

[spree8]

I like Huk, but he isn’t ready to start. There was really no one to start next to Mitch. That’s not on Thibs.

KAT has been getting destroyed by Tatum for a while now. This is last year. He played the 5 in this game. It’s the same result. Doesn’t matter who the coach is. You’re blaming everything on drop coverage, but he’s even getting owned on switches here.

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And didn’t we just see Luka target him on switches? Come on man be fr

First two plays in that video is KAT in drop coverage. Tatum only “got” KAT in this 1 min clip when he spun him around on that drive to the rim. The other two legitimate 1 on 1 makes was on an iso step back 3 and another layup where KAT stuck with him the whole play, but it was just better offense.

And na I didn’t see Luka target KAT on switches. There was only like a couple plays where KAT picked him on the switch and defended him really well but Luka is Luka and makes tough shots no matter who’s guarding him. Same with Tatum.

Somebody needs to compile clips of KAT in drop vs KAT in man coverage so you can see the massive difference. Everybody gets cooked here n there 1 on 1… you can find footage on every great man defender, but the point here is that KAT in drop coverage is far far worse than him in man coverage. There’s really no comparison.

I mean even the clips you posted, Tatum is blowing past by KAT with ease. That’s not on Thibs bro.

My point is that no matter who the coach is, KAT sucks awfully on defense at the 5. If Minny couldn’t figure it out for years with different coaches… why are you trying to pin everything on Thibs? That’s trolling lol

The team that just won the championship plays drop coverage. They switch 1-4 and the 5 is in drop majority of the time. It’s essential to have a rim protector on a championship team. Every team that has won in the past 5 years had one besides Denver.
You want us to switch everything like Houston used to do with Mike D’anphony harden rockets teams. Thats not winning a championship man.

At the end of the day, deep down you know that the only way to be successful with KAT is playing him next to a rim protector.

Bro the clips I posted are of Boston abusing Thibs. Derrick White routinely screens for KAT’s man forcing KAT to fight thru him and then recover quickly enough to help Mikal who just got annihilated on the screen. Thibs needs to know that. I’d think in cases like that, they should’ve switched too…KAT n JB need to communicate what’s happening and KAT stays with White and JB peels off and goes to pick up Tatum on the switch because Mikal is gunna die on the screen leaving Tatum open to pick up momentum going downhill.

And no Boston has KP (when he plays) a real rim protector that they have protecting the paint… I’ve said numerous times KAT is not a real rim protector so it’s apples to oranges here. When KP is out and they have Horford, Horford always switches. The dude stays guarding on the perimeter. So yea they switch 1-5. I’ve seen Payton Pritchard guarding Myles Turner in the post on the switch bro lol.

As far as KAT’s whole career and different coaches go, Thibs been his coach for like half his career lol. He’s also been out like 2 seasons, and had Finch and Gobert for 2 other seasons. We really think Saunder’s kid is some mastermind coach the other 2 years he was there?

But again, I’m not saying I have all the answers, and I went thru 3 different options that are on the table but Thibs has stuck with 1 and only 1.

Option 1: KAT in Drop
Option 2: Switch
Option 3: Huk/Mitch starts next to him (also move Mikal off POA replaced by Deuce with Hart as 6th man)

Option 1 ain’t fukkin workin and Thibs’ old stubborn ass ain’t tryin anything new.

[spree8]

towns has had like 5 different nba coaches and none of them could make him effective on defense as a center. but a guy on the internet has it all figured out. ok then.

FOH with this trash take. Everybody on the board been sayin it lol

[Worst_to_First]

Deuce can't run point. Why is he starting?

The one game we won without JB, it was Cam Payne and Tyler Kolek who run the point (Deuce was a late scratch). Granted it was against the Jazz, this was a team that annihilated us even when we had JB.

[god shammgod]

towns has had like 5 different nba coaches and none of them could make him effective on defense as a center. but a guy on the internet has it all figured out. ok then.

FOH with this trash take. Everybody on the board been sayin it lol

well then it must be true. when has this board ever gotten anything wrong.

[3toheadmelo]

First two plays in that video is KAT in drop coverage. Tatum only “got” KAT in this 1 min clip when he spun him around on that drive to the rim. The other two legitimate 1 on 1 makes was on an iso step back 3 and another layup where KAT stuck with him the whole play, but it was just better offense.

And na I didn’t see Luka target KAT on switches. There was only like a couple plays where KAT picked him on the switch and defended him really well but Luka is Luka and makes tough shots no matter who’s guarding him. Same with Tatum.

Somebody needs to compile clips of KAT in drop vs KAT in man coverage so you can see the massive difference. Everybody gets cooked here n there 1 on 1… you can find footage on every great man defender, but the point here is that KAT in drop coverage is far far worse than him in man coverage. There’s really no comparison.

I mean even the clips you posted, Tatum is blowing past by KAT with ease. That’s not on Thibs bro.

My point is that no matter who the coach is, KAT sucks awfully on defense at the 5. If Minny couldn’t figure it out for years with different coaches… why are you trying to pin everything on Thibs? That’s trolling lol

The team that just won the championship plays drop coverage. They switch 1-4 and the 5 is in drop majority of the time. It’s essential to have a rim protector on a championship team. Every team that has won in the past 5 years had one besides Denver.
You want us to switch everything like Houston used to do with Mike D’anphony harden rockets teams. Thats not winning a championship man.

At the end of the day, deep down you know that the only way to be successful with KAT is playing him next to a rim protector.

Bro the clips I posted are of Boston abusing Thibs. Derrick White routinely screens for KAT’s man forcing KAT to fight thru him and then recover quickly enough to help Mikal who just got annihilated on the screen. Thibs needs to know that. I’d think in cases like that, they should’ve switched too…KAT n JB need to communicate what’s happening and KAT stays with White and JB peels off and goes to pick up Tatum on the switch because Mikal is gunna die on the screen leaving Tatum open to pick up momentum going downhill.

And no Boston has KP (when he plays) a real rim protector that they have protecting the paint… I’ve said numerous times KAT is not a real rim protector so it’s apples to oranges here. When KP is out and they have Horford, Horford always switches. The dude stays guarding on the perimeter. So yea they switch 1-5. I’ve seen Payton Pritchard guarding Myles Turner in the post on the switch bro lol.

As far as KAT’s whole career and different coaches go, Thibs been his coach for like half his career lol. He’s also been out like 2 seasons, and had Finch and Gobert for 2 other seasons. We really think Saunder’s kid is some mastermind coach the other 2 years he was there?

But again, I’m not saying I have all the answers, and I went thru 3 different options that are on the table but Thibs has stuck with 1 and only 1.

Option 1: KAT in Drop
Option 2: Switch
Option 3: Huk/Mitch starts next to him (also move Mikal off POA replaced by Deuce with Hart as 6th man)

Option 1 ain’t fukkin workin and Thibs’ old stubborn ass ain’t tryin anything new.

You need to watch Boston more often then. They play Horford in drop a lot of the time. He's not switching 24/7.

I'm just saying if multiple coaches couldn't fix KAT at the 5.. it doesn't make sense to expect Thibs to do either. Those dudes tried all the schemes..even put different defensive wings around him and it's the same result.

I'm not sure if you saw the news, but Marc Stein said the Knicks tried to get Kessler at the deadline. They absolutely want to play KAT at the 4. Thibs has been saying Mitch is our starting C. The plan is to get Mitch up to speed before he's back in the starting lineup.

[god shammgod]

they still need another center. i'm a mitch fan but his health isn't reliable. they should have 2 in case he's out and so they can limit kat at center as much as possible.

[3toheadmelo]

they still need another center. i'm a mitch fan but his health isn't reliable. they should have 2 in case he's out and so they can limit kat at center as much as possible.

That's why I keep saying it made much more sense to run it back. We'd still have assets and we def could've gotten another C to replace iHart. But no, giving up 6 picks, Randle and Donte seemed like a better idea that this board loved and look where we are now. It's going to be very hard to get another C now. The only way to upgrade this team is by moving Mikal and KAT. It's the harsh reality.

[spree8]

I mean even the clips you posted, Tatum is blowing past by KAT with ease. That’s not on Thibs bro.

My point is that no matter who the coach is, KAT sucks awfully on defense at the 5. If Minny couldn’t figure it out for years with different coaches… why are you trying to pin everything on Thibs? That’s trolling lol

The team that just won the championship plays drop coverage. They switch 1-4 and the 5 is in drop majority of the time. It’s essential to have a rim protector on a championship team. Every team that has won in the past 5 years had one besides Denver.
You want us to switch everything like Houston used to do with Mike D’anphony harden rockets teams. Thats not winning a championship man.

At the end of the day, deep down you know that the only way to be successful with KAT is playing him next to a rim protector.

Bro the clips I posted are of Boston abusing Thibs. Derrick White routinely screens for KAT’s man forcing KAT to fight thru him and then recover quickly enough to help Mikal who just got annihilated on the screen. Thibs needs to know that. I’d think in cases like that, they should’ve switched too…KAT n JB need to communicate what’s happening and KAT stays with White and JB peels off and goes to pick up Tatum on the switch because Mikal is gunna die on the screen leaving Tatum open to pick up momentum going downhill.

And no Boston has KP (when he plays) a real rim protector that they have protecting the paint… I’ve said numerous times KAT is not a real rim protector so it’s apples to oranges here. When KP is out and they have Horford, Horford always switches. The dude stays guarding on the perimeter. So yea they switch 1-5. I’ve seen Payton Pritchard guarding Myles Turner in the post on the switch bro lol.

As far as KAT’s whole career and different coaches go, Thibs been his coach for like half his career lol. He’s also been out like 2 seasons, and had Finch and Gobert for 2 other seasons. We really think Saunder’s kid is some mastermind coach the other 2 years he was there?

But again, I’m not saying I have all the answers, and I went thru 3 different options that are on the table but Thibs has stuck with 1 and only 1.

Option 1: KAT in Drop
Option 2: Switch
Option 3: Huk/Mitch starts next to him (also move Mikal off POA replaced by Deuce with Hart as 6th man)

Option 1 ain’t fukkin workin and Thibs’ old stubborn ass ain’t tryin anything new.

You need to watch Boston more often then. They play Horford in drop a lot of the time. He's not switching 24/7.

I'm just saying if multiple coaches couldn't fix KAT at the 5.. it doesn't make sense to expect Thibs to do either. Those dudes tried all the schemes..even put different defensive wings around him and it's the same result.

I'm not sure if you saw the news, but Marc Stein said the Knicks tried to get Kessler at the deadline. They absolutely want to play KAT at the 4. Thibs has been saying Mitch is our starting C. The plan is to get Mitch up to speed before he's back in the starting lineup.

I’ve watched more than enough of Boston. No team runs anything 100% of the time. You have to give the opponent different looks, but Horford absolutely switches more than he plays in drop… where he’s nowhere near as effective. This is the same issue with KAT. While he’s not as good a defender as Horford by any stretch, he’s still better on the switch than drop.

All I’m saying is why isn’t Thibs trying anything besides KAT in drop? Why not at least try one of the other two options? When we do switch at times, a lot of it is miscues where our two defenders are on different pages.. one tries to switch, the other fights thru the screen leaving a player wide open.

Also, why is he having Mikal at POA? Why not keep Hart as 6th man like last year? Why not start Deuce since he’s clearly the absolute best in this POA role? Why isn’t he trying anything else? That’s the problem people have with him. Shyt, if he at least committed to trying other strategies and they failed, ok fine, but at least give it a shot.

I also blame the FO… if Thibs knew he needed a rim protector at the 5, and wasn’t willing to try Huk out from the jump, then Leon should’ve known that and made some kind of move to get someone Thibs would play in that role. This is a common issue between Thibs n Leon… Cam Reddish, Fournier, Boj, Kemba…. No team is perfect, but a lot of our problems seem like common sense.

[GettinitDone]

Hart does not fit with OG and Bridges. It’s clunky.

KAT is clearly hobbled by the knee. Should be resting for the playoffs but you know how it goes with Thibs.

We’ll hobble into the playoffs once again with a predictable offense and Brunson hero ball may save the day in the first round but it may not. Definitely not getting past round two with Thibs at the helm.

Start planning for next season. Johnnie Bryant or Hurley… then go after Giannis or KD with KAT. Send Hart to the bench for a 22 minute energy role. The window is still open.

I already said since Nov that Hart doesn't fit with Mikal and OG, and to bench him to solve his prob, but people thought I was nuts for wanting to bench a 9rpg guy totally ignoring the fit.

I've been saying with Hart on the bench Mikal gets the ball more and makes more plays, gets to be more aggressive. He's hands down a better playmaker than Josh is, and when he's more aggressive he's just a much better on both ends. I think with JB out, we'll see a much better Mikal simply because he gets the ball more.

And as good as Josh himself is at playmaking, unfortunately he's only looking to pass, whereas Mikal looks to either pass or score, which makes him far more effective in that regard.

[3toheadmelo]

Bro the clips I posted are of Boston abusing Thibs. Derrick White routinely screens for KAT’s man forcing KAT to fight thru him and then recover quickly enough to help Mikal who just got annihilated on the screen. Thibs needs to know that. I’d think in cases like that, they should’ve switched too…KAT n JB need to communicate what’s happening and KAT stays with White and JB peels off and goes to pick up Tatum on the switch because Mikal is gunna die on the screen leaving Tatum open to pick up momentum going downhill.

And no Boston has KP (when he plays) a real rim protector that they have protecting the paint… I’ve said numerous times KAT is not a real rim protector so it’s apples to oranges here. When KP is out and they have Horford, Horford always switches. The dude stays guarding on the perimeter. So yea they switch 1-5. I’ve seen Payton Pritchard guarding Myles Turner in the post on the switch bro lol.

As far as KAT’s whole career and different coaches go, Thibs been his coach for like half his career lol. He’s also been out like 2 seasons, and had Finch and Gobert for 2 other seasons. We really think Saunder’s kid is some mastermind coach the other 2 years he was there?

But again, I’m not saying I have all the answers, and I went thru 3 different options that are on the table but Thibs has stuck with 1 and only 1.

Option 1: KAT in Drop
Option 2: Switch
Option 3: Huk/Mitch starts next to him (also move Mikal off POA replaced by Deuce with Hart as 6th man)

Option 1 ain’t fukkin workin and Thibs’ old stubborn ass ain’t tryin anything new.

You need to watch Boston more often then. They play Horford in drop a lot of the time. He's not switching 24/7.

I'm just saying if multiple coaches couldn't fix KAT at the 5.. it doesn't make sense to expect Thibs to do either. Those dudes tried all the schemes..even put different defensive wings around him and it's the same result.

I'm not sure if you saw the news, but Marc Stein said the Knicks tried to get Kessler at the deadline. They absolutely want to play KAT at the 4. Thibs has been saying Mitch is our starting C. The plan is to get Mitch up to speed before he's back in the starting lineup.

I’ve watched more than enough of Boston. No team runs anything 100% of the time. You have to give the opponent different looks, but Horford absolutely switches more than he plays in drop… where he’s nowhere near as effective. This is the same issue with KAT. While he’s not as good a defender as Horford by any stretch, he’s still better on the switch than drop.

All I’m saying is why isn’t Thibs trying anything besides KAT in drop? Why not at least try one of the other two options? When we do switch at times, a lot of it is miscues where our two defenders are on different pages.. one tries to switch, the other fights thru the screen leaving a player wide open.

Also, why is he having Mikal at POA? Why not keep Hart as 6th man like last year? Why not start Deuce since he’s clearly the absolute best in this POA role? Why isn’t he trying anything else? That’s the problem people have with him. Shyt, if he at least committed to trying other strategies and they failed, ok fine, but at least give it a shot.

I also blame the FO… if Thibs knew he needed a rim protector at the 5, and wasn’t willing to try Huk out from the jump, then Leon should’ve known that and made some kind of move to get someone Thibs would play in that role. This is a common issue between Thibs n Leon… Cam Reddish, Fournier, Boj, Kemba…. No team is perfect, but a lot of our problems seem like common sense.

You're also forgetting that Boston's starting lineup everyone can switch.. we don't have that luxury. I see Horford still in drop a lot of games though. Some games they put him in drop, some they switch a lot. But at least with Horford he is able to do both.. KAT can only switch (sometimes) which limits him. But even still, if you want to switch we need a rim protector.

Hart is def moving back to the bench when Mitch is at 100%


The FO made that KAT trade last min. I don't think they were fully prepared to get a C right after that. It doesn't seem like they thought it all through. So whatever, now we gotta hope we can get a C with whatever spare change asset we have left.

Knicks just signed pj tucker lol

[The KnicksFix]

Serious qs
Y’all think we will ever win a ring? Im starting to think the best bet is 2-3 years from now will Boston will inevitably have to break up and this Knick team will be in their last go
Other than that, i don’t see us winning one

[thebuzzardman]

they still need another center. i'm a mitch fan but his health isn't reliable. they should have 2 in case he's out and so they can limit kat at center as much as possible.

If Mitch is your center and a person is saying the Knicks need another center, then what they really need is two more centers, because Mitch is one slip on a greasy possum bone from never playing in the NBA ever again.

[thebuzzardman]

I only did a cursory reading of this topic since I no longer give a f*ck about this season but it seems like it could be readily merged with " Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!"

located over here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2424511

[Nazrmohamed]

Serious qs
Y’all think we will ever win a ring? Im starting to think the best bet is 2-3 years from now will Boston will inevitably have to break up and this Knick team will be in their last go
Other than that, i don’t see us winning one

Then theres the Cavs. Then theres the Bucks. And so on. Knicks seem happy to be in the mix but not dominate

[prophet_of_rage]

Serious qs
Y’all think we will ever win a ring? Im starting to think the best bet is 2-3 years from now will Boston will inevitably have to break up and this Knick team will be in their last go
Other than that, i don’t see us winning one

Then theres the Cavs. Then theres the Bucks. And so on. Knicks seem happy to be in the mix but not dominate

MSG sellouts have always been the goal.

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[thebuzzardman]

Serious qs
Y’all think we will ever win a ring? Im starting to think the best bet is 2-3 years from now will Boston will inevitably have to break up and this Knick team will be in their last go
Other than that, i don’t see us winning one

Then theres the Cavs. Then theres the Bucks. And so on. Knicks seem happy to be in the mix but not dominate

MSG sellouts have always been the goal.

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Let's just all celebrate no more selfish Brunson for the rest of the regular season. Hopefully the playoffs too!

[thebuzzardman]

Serious qs
Y’all think we will ever win a ring? Im starting to think the best bet is 2-3 years from now will Boston will inevitably have to break up and this Knick team will be in their last go
Other than that, i don’t see us winning one

Knicks should start the rebuild now