2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 8

[Beenie]

I’ll go ahead and put this out there before the narrative begins.

For Bams career we have a 58% win percentage when Bam scores at least 20. Would be 5th in the East.

Over the last 4 seasons we have a 61% win percentage when Bam scores 25. Would be 4th in the East.

We have a 68% win percentage when Bam scores 30 in his career. Would be 3rd in the East.

Keep in mind this doesn’t include any context like Bam almost single handedly beating the best team in the league on their home court despite 7 rotation players being out and Terry playing a team high 40 minutes.

In general, teams arent focusing the efforts of their D in stopping Bam.

If Mia were to make him the primary offensive option, I suspect he'd struggle mightily.

He doesnt possess the handle and footwork and quick decision making abilities to beat doubles by good teams.

He sees his fair share of double teams and guys collapsing on him in the paint with each touch, hell he led the league in scoring in the paint a couple years ago and teams swarmed him.

I know you don’t like the dude but this is nonsense

BS. In general, his paint buckets arent being generated by his own efforts.

You know this which is why you are spearheading the Trey Young campaign to get Bam an elite playmaking PG.

When Bam is so called getting "swarmed", generally speaking, he isnt beating those defenses and scoring buckets.

More often then not, he's retreating his dribble and looking for help behind him.

[carnageta]

I’ll go ahead and put this out there before the narrative begins.

For Bams career we have a 58% win percentage when Bam scores at least 20. Would be 5th in the East.

Over the last 4 seasons we have a 61% win percentage when Bam scores 25. Would be 4th in the East.

We have a 68% win percentage when Bam scores 30 in his career. Would be 3rd in the East.

Keep in mind this doesn’t include any context like Bam almost single handedly beating the best team in the league on their home court despite 7 rotation players being out and Terry playing a team high 40 minutes.

Those are interesting numbers for sure. However, I reckon the sample size isn't substantial enough to actually withdraw any meaningful conclusions.

Bam has had a total of 9 months in his 8 year career in which he has averaged over 20ppg. He's never had a season in which he averaged over 20ppg for more than 3 calendar months. Scoring over 25 ppg is an unlikely occurrence for Bam, and scoring over 30 is even more rare.

He's a great player and he can maybe even be a #2 option (offensively) on a championship contender if the #1 option is someone like KD / Donovan Mitchell / Dame Lillard, etc, but that's his peak (which is an amazing peak given that he's a top 3 defensive player in the entire NBA). Bam is a top 20 talent in the NBA but comfortably falls outside of the top 15. This all-star territory, not quite a superstar. He may make marginal improvements from here on out (i.e. getting a bit better at 3pt shooting) but he's pretty much at this ceiling now (imo) - which again, isn't bad by any means.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

In general, teams arent focusing the efforts of their D in stopping Bam.

If Mia were to make him the primary offensive option, I suspect he'd struggle mightily.

He doesnt possess the handle and footwork and quick decision making abilities to beat doubles by good teams.

He sees his fair share of double teams and guys collapsing on him in the paint with each touch, hell he led the league in scoring in the paint a couple years ago and teams swarmed him.

I know you don’t like the dude but this is nonsense

BS. In general, his paint buckets arent being generated by his own efforts.

You know this which is why you are spearheading the Trey Young campaign to get Bam an elite playmaking PG.

When Bam is so called getting "swarmed", generally speaking, he isnt beating those defenses and scoring buckets.

More often then not, he's retreating his dribble and looking for help behind him.

I’m getting so tired of having to educate you lol. Of centers who have played at least 50 games this year (I did 50 instead of 60 to fit in Sengun) Bam has the 3rd worst percentage of his baskets assisted in the league among centers.

From what I was able to gather with Statmuse Bam is the 4th most double teamed center in the league as well.

You were wrong about Bam, it’s ok. You should be happy to be wrong about this one tbh. Pretending he’s just spoon fed bucket after bucket and isn’t facing double teams is just flat out wild. I don’t even know where you get that, eye test and stats both show this so I guess you’re just talking out of your ass? You’ve never backed anything you’ve said, everything is opinion based with you.

I want Trae because as stated on here we have the worst playmaking perimeter guys in the league and yes, that will lead to easier buckets for Bam and literally everyone in general. Why would we not want Trae here to make everyone’s life easier and get guys easier buckets? Why would I not want someone that will make Bam better than the 3rd worst assists center in the league?

[Moneyball_Spo]

In general, teams arent focusing the efforts of their D in stopping Bam.

If Mia were to make him the primary offensive option, I suspect he'd struggle mightily.

He doesnt possess the handle and footwork and quick decision making abilities to beat doubles by good teams.

He sees his fair share of double teams and guys collapsing on him in the paint with each touch, hell he led the league in scoring in the paint a couple years ago and teams swarmed him.

I know you don’t like the dude but this is nonsense

BS. In general, his paint buckets arent being generated by his own efforts.

You know this which is why you are spearheading the Trey Young campaign to get Bam an elite playmaking PG.

When Bam is so called getting "swarmed", generally speaking, he isnt beating those defenses and scoring buckets.

More often then not, he's retreating his dribble and looking for help behind him.

Beenie, I have to disagree with you bro. Bam sees quite a few double teams. lol. He has recently become much more comfortable with his decision making during it.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’ll go ahead and put this out there before the narrative begins.

For Bams career we have a 58% win percentage when Bam scores at least 20. Would be 5th in the East.

Over the last 4 seasons we have a 61% win percentage when Bam scores 25. Would be 4th in the East.

We have a 68% win percentage when Bam scores 30 in his career. Would be 3rd in the East.

Keep in mind this doesn’t include any context like Bam almost single handedly beating the best team in the league on their home court despite 7 rotation players being out and Terry playing a team high 40 minutes.

Those are interesting numbers for sure. However, I reckon the sample size isn't substantial enough to actually withdraw any meaningful conclusions.

Bam has had a total of 9 months in his 8 year career in which he has averaged over 20ppg. He's never had a season in which he averaged over 20ppg for more than 3 calendar months. Scoring over 25 ppg is an unlikely occurrence for Bam, and scoring over 30 is even more rare.

He's a great player and he can maybe even be a #2 option (offensively) on a championship contender if the #1 option is someone like KD / Donovan Mitchell / Dame Lillard, etc, but that's his peak (which is an amazing peak given that he's a top 3 defensive player in the entire NBA). Bam is a top 20 talent in the NBA but comfortably falls outside of the top 15. This all-star territory, not quite a superstar. He may make marginal improvements from here on out (i.e. getting a bit better at 3pt shooting) but he's pretty much at this ceiling now (imo) - which again, isn't bad by any means.

I’ll be honest I’m not sure what stance you’re taking here but that’s likely my fault because I didn’t quote the original post that mine (the post you quoted) was in reference to. This post was in response to someone insinuating that we lose the games that Bam has big games in, I brought these numbers up to debunk that and show we actually have a pretty high win rate in those games.

20 points - 169 games

25 points - 55 games

30 points - 25 games

Hopefully this remains to be the case as he hopefully continues to be more involved scoring wise. It’s time for a bigger load (no diddy)

[Beenie]

He sees his fair share of double teams and guys collapsing on him in the paint with each touch, hell he led the league in scoring in the paint a couple years ago and teams swarmed him.

I know you don’t like the dude but this is nonsense

BS. In general, his paint buckets arent being generated by his own efforts.

You know this which is why you are spearheading the Trey Young campaign to get Bam an elite playmaking PG.

When Bam is so called getting "swarmed", generally speaking, he isnt beating those defenses and scoring buckets.

More often then not, he's retreating his dribble and looking for help behind him.

I’m getting so tired of having to educate you lol. Of centers who have played at least 50 games this year (I did 50 instead of 60 to fit in Sengun) Bam has the 3rd worst percentage of his baskets assisted in the league among centers.

From what I was able to gather with Statmuse Bam is the 4th most double teamed center in the league as well.

You were wrong about Bam, it’s ok. You should be happy to be wrong about this one tbh. Pretending he’s just spoon fed bucket after bucket and isn’t facing double teams is just flat out wild. I don’t even know where you get that, eye test and stats both show this so I guess you’re just talking out of your ass? You’ve never backed anything you’ve said, everything is opinion based with you.

I want Trae because as stated on here we have the worst playmaking perimeter guys in the league and yes, that will lead to easier buckets for Bam and literally everyone in general. Why would we not want Trae here to make everyone’s life easier and get guys easier buckets? Why would I not want someone that will make Bam better than the 3rd worst assists center in the league?

The layers of filth in your posts are too daunting to clean up.

[Beenie]

He sees his fair share of double teams and guys collapsing on him in the paint with each touch, hell he led the league in scoring in the paint a couple years ago and teams swarmed him.

I know you don’t like the dude but this is nonsense

BS. In general, his paint buckets arent being generated by his own efforts.

You know this which is why you are spearheading the Trey Young campaign to get Bam an elite playmaking PG.

When Bam is so called getting "swarmed", generally speaking, he isnt beating those defenses and scoring buckets.

More often then not, he's retreating his dribble and looking for help behind him.

Beenie, I have to disagree with you bro. Bam sees quite a few double teams. lol. He has recently become much more comfortable with his decision making during it.

Small sample size

[3ammy3uck3ts]

BS. In general, his paint buckets arent being generated by his own efforts.

You know this which is why you are spearheading the Trey Young campaign to get Bam an elite playmaking PG.

When Bam is so called getting "swarmed", generally speaking, he isnt beating those defenses and scoring buckets.

More often then not, he's retreating his dribble and looking for help behind him.

I’m getting so tired of having to educate you lol. Of centers who have played at least 50 games this year (I did 50 instead of 60 to fit in Sengun) Bam has the 3rd worst percentage of his baskets assisted in the league among centers.

From what I was able to gather with Statmuse Bam is the 4th most double teamed center in the league as well.

You were wrong about Bam, it’s ok. You should be happy to be wrong about this one tbh. Pretending he’s just spoon fed bucket after bucket and isn’t facing double teams is just flat out wild. I don’t even know where you get that, eye test and stats both show this so I guess you’re just talking out of your ass? You’ve never backed anything you’ve said, everything is opinion based with you.

I want Trae because as stated on here we have the worst playmaking perimeter guys in the league and yes, that will lead to easier buckets for Bam and literally everyone in general. Why would we not want Trae here to make everyone’s life easier and get guys easier buckets? Why would I not want someone that will make Bam better than the 3rd worst assists center in the league?

The layers of filth in your posts are too daunting to clean up.

No you just got cooked by the literal fuxking facts that are tracked and backed by statistics. There’s no clean up necessary.

[Shewasfly]

I’ll go ahead and put this out there before the narrative begins.

For Bams career we have a 58% win percentage when Bam scores at least 20. Would be 5th in the East.

Over the last 4 seasons we have a 61% win percentage when Bam scores 25. Would be 4th in the East.

We have a 68% win percentage when Bam scores 30 in his career. Would be 3rd in the East.

Keep in mind this doesn’t include any context like Bam almost single handedly beating the best team in the league on their home court despite 7 rotation players being out and Terry playing a team high 40 minutes.

Those are interesting numbers for sure. However, I reckon the sample size isn't substantial enough to actually withdraw any meaningful conclusions.

Bam has had a total of 9 months in his 8 year career in which he has averaged over 20ppg. He's never had a season in which he averaged over 20ppg for more than 3 calendar months. Scoring over 25 ppg is an unlikely occurrence for Bam, and scoring over 30 is even more rare.

He's a great player and he can maybe even be a #2 option (offensively) on a championship contender if the #1 option is someone like KD / Donovan Mitchell / Dame Lillard, etc, but that's his peak (which is an amazing peak given that he's a top 3 defensive player in the entire NBA). Bam is a top 20 talent in the NBA but comfortably falls outside of the top 15. This all-star territory, not quite a superstar. He may make marginal improvements from here on out (i.e. getting a bit better at 3pt shooting) but he's pretty much at this ceiling now (imo) - which again, isn't bad by any means.

So out of 64 months, he's had 9 where he averaged over 20? Yikes. Not surprising, but worse than I thought.

But at the end of the day, expecting him to be anything more than a 3rd option at absolute best is a set up to fail and to have unmet expectations. Roster construction has always been the problem with this team and Bam suffers from it as much as anybody else. Being asked to do way more than his capability.

[dshearn]

I don''t know why folks have to tear down players like they are Jordan vs Lebron....we got a team full of useful players that have strengths and weakness' as players. They play in a league full of other players just the same.

As far as Bam and Ware goes.....yeah get those cats Trae Young.

Has Bam dribbled the ball right into the restricted area and scored points? Sure...he CAN do that from time to time....but damn that is ugly basket ball....get that dude a set up guy like Trae.

I am all for dribble handoffs, and 3 point line pick and rolls, but damn...if the inside guys could actually set up inside and have a PG get the ball to them there....this offense would look a hell of alot cleaner.

Wanting Trae ( or any top tier PG---drafted or otherwise) is not a knock on Bam, or Tyler or even Mitchell.... It is what we need to take the next step.

I wonder if I went back and looked at the early Big three stuff, if there was posters knocking those HOF players because they really needed something more then washed Carlos Arroyo .

[oreon]

I don''t know why folks have to tear down players like they are Jordan vs Lebron....we got a team full of useful players that have strengths and weakness' as players. They play in a league full of other players just the same.

As far as Bam and Ware goes.....yeah get those cats Trae Young.

Has Bam dribbled the ball right into the restricted area and scored points? Sure...he CAN do that from time to time....but damn that is ugly basket ball....get that dude a set up guy like Trae.

I am all for dribble handoffs, and 3 point line pick and rolls, but damn...if the inside guys could actually set up inside and have a PG get the ball to them there....this offense would look a hell of alot cleaner.

Wanting Trae ( or any top tier PG---drafted or otherwise) is not a knock on Bam, or Tyler or even Mitchell.... It is what we need to take the next step.

I wonder if I went back and looked at the early Big three stuff, if there was posters knocking those HOF players because they really needed something more then washed Carlos Arroyo .

Trae ain't saving anybody. If he were, Hawks wouldn't be as bad we are. If you just want to make playoffs every year and maybe get to 2nd round every now and then, then he's your guy. But if the goal is championship, it ain't him. He's just too flawed. Defensively he will get exposed in the playoffs, you can't hide him. And he's highly inefficient to be the centerpiece of your offense.

[BadMofoPimp]

I don''t know why folks have to tear down players like they are Jordan vs Lebron....we got a team full of useful players that have strengths and weakness' as players. They play in a league full of other players just the same.

As far as Bam and Ware goes.....yeah get those cats Trae Young.

Has Bam dribbled the ball right into the restricted area and scored points? Sure...he CAN do that from time to time....but damn that is ugly basket ball....get that dude a set up guy like Trae.

I am all for dribble handoffs, and 3 point line pick and rolls, but damn...if the inside guys could actually set up inside and have a PG get the ball to them there....this offense would look a hell of alot cleaner.

Wanting Trae ( or any top tier PG---drafted or otherwise) is not a knock on Bam, or Tyler or even Mitchell.... It is what we need to take the next step.

I wonder if I went back and looked at the early Big three stuff, if there was posters knocking those HOF players because they really needed something more then washed Carlos Arroyo .

Trae ain't saving anybody. If he were, Hawks wouldn't be as bad we are. If you just want to make playoffs every year and maybe get to 2nd round every now and then, then he's your guy. But if the goal is championship, it ain't him. He's just too flawed. Defensively he will get exposed in the playoffs, you can't hide him. And he's highly inefficient to be the centerpiece of your offense.

It is not like Trae has a solid team around him. Put him on a team like the Heat with Bam etc and I bet you change your tune.

[dshearn]

I don''t know why folks have to tear down players like they are Jordan vs Lebron....we got a team full of useful players that have strengths and weakness' as players. They play in a league full of other players just the same.

As far as Bam and Ware goes.....yeah get those cats Trae Young.

Has Bam dribbled the ball right into the restricted area and scored points? Sure...he CAN do that from time to time....but damn that is ugly basket ball....get that dude a set up guy like Trae.

I am all for dribble handoffs, and 3 point line pick and rolls, but damn...if the inside guys could actually set up inside and have a PG get the ball to them there....this offense would look a hell of alot cleaner.

Wanting Trae ( or any top tier PG---drafted or otherwise) is not a knock on Bam, or Tyler or even Mitchell.... It is what we need to take the next step.

I wonder if I went back and looked at the early Big three stuff, if there was posters knocking those HOF players because they really needed something more then washed Carlos Arroyo .

Trae ain't saving anybody. If he were, Hawks wouldn't be as bad we are. If you just want to make playoffs every year and maybe get to 2nd round every now and then, then he's your guy. But if the goal is championship, it ain't him. He's just too flawed. Defensively he will get exposed in the playoffs, you can't hide him. And he's highly inefficient to be the centerpiece of your offense.

I honestly believe it would not matter as long as we have Tyler Herro.

I could be wayyy wrong on that....but in my opinion who a team picks on becomes trivial as long as you have one dude easy to pick on. Without Trae, Tyler is going to get picked, they can really only pick on one of them at a time. Besides that.... Spo in the past has at least used that predictable weakness to ball trap.

[oreon]

I don''t know why folks have to tear down players like they are Jordan vs Lebron....we got a team full of useful players that have strengths and weakness' as players. They play in a league full of other players just the same.

As far as Bam and Ware goes.....yeah get those cats Trae Young.

Has Bam dribbled the ball right into the restricted area and scored points? Sure...he CAN do that from time to time....but damn that is ugly basket ball....get that dude a set up guy like Trae.

I am all for dribble handoffs, and 3 point line pick and rolls, but damn...if the inside guys could actually set up inside and have a PG get the ball to them there....this offense would look a hell of alot cleaner.

Wanting Trae ( or any top tier PG---drafted or otherwise) is not a knock on Bam, or Tyler or even Mitchell.... It is what we need to take the next step.

I wonder if I went back and looked at the early Big three stuff, if there was posters knocking those HOF players because they really needed something more then washed Carlos Arroyo .

Trae ain't saving anybody. If he were, Hawks wouldn't be as bad we are. If you just want to make playoffs every year and maybe get to 2nd round every now and then, then he's your guy. But if the goal is championship, it ain't him. He's just too flawed. Defensively he will get exposed in the playoffs, you can't hide him. And he's highly inefficient to be the centerpiece of your offense.

It is not like Trae has a solid team around him. Put him on a team like the Heat with Bam etc and I bet you change your tune.

Look at what Cade is doing. His 2nd best player is Malik Bealsey. And he has Pistons 6 games over 500. That Pistons without him win 5 games max. Elite players elevate teams. So the fact Trae can't get his team at minimum over 500 is a huge red flag. And this indication he won't be able to elevate this Miami team to a contender. Thats why I am okay on giving up on Bam and Herro. If they were no 2 options or top 15 players this team would have won more games. Sure Trae can help. But can he jump your team one or two levels up ? No

[BadMofoPimp]

Trae ain't saving anybody. If he were, Hawks wouldn't be as bad we are. If you just want to make playoffs every year and maybe get to 2nd round every now and then, then he's your guy. But if the goal is championship, it ain't him. He's just too flawed. Defensively he will get exposed in the playoffs, you can't hide him. And he's highly inefficient to be the centerpiece of your offense.

It is not like Trae has a solid team around him. Put him on a team like the Heat with Bam etc and I bet you change your tune.

Look at what Cade is doing. His 2nd best player is Malik Bealsey. And he has Pistons 6 games over 500. That Pistons without him win 5 games max. Elite players elevate teams. So the fact Trae can't get his team at minimum over 500 is a huge red flag. And this indication he won't be able to elevate this Miami team to a contender. Thats why I am okay on giving up on Bam and Herro. If they were no 2 options or top 15 players this team would have won more games. Sure Trae can help. But can he jump your team one or two levels up ? No

Trae and Bam could make a difference.

[dshearn]

Trae ain't saving anybody. If he were, Hawks wouldn't be as bad we are. If you just want to make playoffs every year and maybe get to 2nd round every now and then, then he's your guy. But if the goal is championship, it ain't him. He's just too flawed. Defensively he will get exposed in the playoffs, you can't hide him. And he's highly inefficient to be the centerpiece of your offense.

It is not like Trae has a solid team around him. Put him on a team like the Heat with Bam etc and I bet you change your tune.

Look at what Cade is doing. His 2nd best player is Malik Bealsey. And he has Pistons 6 games over 500. That Pistons without him win 5 games max. Elite players elevate teams. So the fact Trae can't get his team at minimum over 500 is a huge red flag. And this indication he won't be able to elevate this Miami team to a contender. Thats why I am okay on giving up on Bam and Herro. If they were no 2 options or top 15 players this team would have won more games. Sure Trae can help. But can he jump your team one or two levels up ? No

There are some really great players in the NBA....problem is...most are impossible to get

[oreon]

It is not like Trae has a solid team around him. Put him on a team like the Heat with Bam etc and I bet you change your tune.

Look at what Cade is doing. His 2nd best player is Malik Bealsey. And he has Pistons 6 games over 500. That Pistons without him win 5 games max. Elite players elevate teams. So the fact Trae can't get his team at minimum over 500 is a huge red flag. And this indication he won't be able to elevate this Miami team to a contender. Thats why I am okay on giving up on Bam and Herro. If they were no 2 options or top 15 players this team would have won more games. Sure Trae can help. But can he jump your team one or two levels up ? No

Trae and Bam could make a difference.

Yes. They can. But they can't compete with Boston or Cavs or OKC or Lakers. Miami needs to get back to the mindset of championship or bust. Don't make moves if they don't bring you closer to a title. Locking yourself to 200 mil + over 4 seasons for Trae doesn't. Again you trade for him, you will have to pay him

[VaDe255]

People wanting Trae over Tyler is funny because it’s just a lateral move. Trae is more ball-dominant and a worse defender. Yes, he’s a better playmaker, but that’s the only clear advantage. He’s not a top-5 guy just a floor-raiser who makes teams mid. Swapping one for the other doesn’t solve anything; it just shifts the same problems around, maybe even creating more. Playing both is a really bad idea.

The only real way forward is to bottom out. There’s no realistic trade that fixes this team’s issues. The best move is to trade Bam and then move Herro, maximizing their return while seeing what Ware, Jović can develop into. They’re young, cheap, and talented.
They also have to wait out a bunch of bad contracts now, Terry, Wiggins, Duncan specifically.

The urgency to trade Bam is high. For five years, we’ve seen that when asked to create offense, he’s inefficient. His defensive skill set is great, but it’s not translating to winning at the highest level. That’s just how the league works—elite offense beats elite defense. On top of that, he’s not an elite rim protector, which is why he needs Ware next to him. His upcoming $50M extension will make him harder to move and lower his trade value even more, while he just keeps the team mid and gets older, they are out of contention for at least 3 years.

As for Tyler, they should move him as soon as they find a good offer. Actively shopping him is the smart play. Extending him, especially if they overpay, would be a disaster. I have serious doubts about his role on a championship team. His defense isn’t at a high level, and his offense, while improved, hasn’t been tested in a true secondary role next to a great shot creator for an extended period, only in stretches this year with Jimmy. That's the only real role left for him where he can be efficient and contribute to winning, not as the lead guy. He is still quite young and can improve and this also equates into his value, I rather not gamble on it.

The path forward is clear: maximize value on Bam and Tyler while pivoting to a rebuild. Anything else is just delaying the inevitable.

[VaDe255]

It's a big offseason, also the fact that Hornets own their pick in 27 makes everything even more urgent, if they miss the window to bottom out, this will take an even worse turn, where they can't even be bad in 28, because they own an unprotected pick.

The time to do it is right now, this offseason. Get young players and picks in 26/27 so you can aim to be more competitive around 28 again and use that year where you have to pay the pick. Ware/Jovic should be either good players by then or you know this will take longer.

Worst thing they can do is try to make this work and not sell Bam/Herro off while they can get real value for them.

[eddieheatfan]